Is there proof of life after death

[eanassir]

If you have that sort of power a little hindrance from something as weak as religion should be no problem at all (overcoming the effects of). You could most likely overcome it in a week at most......So, in the meantime is that you standing to the side with your hands in your pockets? What is that called again, ah yes, doing nothing.

MHz,
If they have such power the entire universe will be corrupted; as it is in the Quran 23: 71​

وَلَوِ اتَّبَعَ الْحَقُّ أَهْوَاءهُمْ لَفَسَدَتِ السَّمَاوَاتُ وَالْأَرْضُ وَمَن فِيهِنَّ بَلْ أَتَيْنَاهُم بِذِكْرِهِمْ فَهُمْ عَن ذِكْرِهِم مُّعْرِضُونَ​

The explanation:
(And if [God:] the Just were to follow their desires, surely the heavens and the earth and whosoever is therein would be corrupted. ​

Actually, We have brought them their 'admonition' [included in the Quran], but they have become averse from their 'admonition'.)​

The interpretation:
If the True [God] were to follow their desires [concerning the intercession of angels, prophets and others], surely the planets including the earth and whosoever is therein would be corrupted.​

This is because people are different among themselves: having different opinions and desires; so if He follows their desires, then all living beings on the earth and the planets will be corrupted, because their requests and demands are contradicting to each other, therefore the order will be disturbed.​

Therefore, this is why God does not answer their prayers, which they made by the intercession of angels and prophets; because this will lead to disharmony and mess; because each one - of these associaters and atheists - demands something contradictory to the other.​

But God gave them the insight and wisdom included in the Quran which will remove the confusion from their minds and leads them to the correct way; but evenso they turn away from their admonition included in the Quran. ​

 

[darkbeaver]

Goodmorn EA;

"But what do they say when man in fact did not invent the religion? And that God – be glorified – sent His envoys: the apostles to warn man of the consequences of the association with God?"

Who could seem like gods to primitives? What has been witnessed that was beyond the scope of the ancients experiance and how would they preserve the accounts of those meetings and those visions? The evidence lies all arround us and permeates oral histories and artifacts.
How did we come to envision heaven as above us as opposed to some valley or an island?
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[Cliffy]

Bahá'í teachings emphasize the underlying unity of the major world religions. Religious history is seen to have unfolded through a series of divine messengers, each of whom established a religion that was suited to the needs of the time and the capacity of the people. These messengers have included Abraham, the Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad and others, including most recently Bahá'u'lláh. In Bahá'í belief, each messenger taught of the next, and Bahá'u'lláh's life and teachings fulfill the end-time promises of previous scriptures. Humanity is understood to be involved in a process of collective evolution, and the need of the present time is for the gradual establishment of peace, justice and unity on a global scale.

eanassir,

Part of your belief system is the christians do not recognize Mohammad as the next prophet of god of the Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Well, Muslims refuse to accept Bahá'u'lláh's as the next prophet. He came to unify all religions and usher in a new erra of peace for mankind. You religion is as stuck in antiquity as christianity is. By your own words, you have failed god by refusing to accept his lastest messanger. No 72 virgins for you my friend. Better get with the program or perish.

 

[eanassir]

Goodmorn EA;

"But what do they say when man in fact did not invent the religion? And that God – be glorified – sent His envoys: the apostles to warn man of the consequences of the association with God?"​

Who could seem like gods to primitives? What has been witnessed that was beyond the scope of the ancients experiance and how would they preserve the accounts of those meetings and those visions? The evidence lies all arround us and permeates oral histories and artifacts.
How did we come to envision heaven as above us as opposed to some valley or an island?​

Good morning DB,
God revealed to Adam their father that God is One without associate or peer; but later on his sons went into discensions and variation concerning this commandment; so even the primitive man has and can understand this idea; and even if he is in an isolated island, God will cause the coming to him of someone to tell him about this; so that he will not say on Judgment Day: "I was unaware of this monotheism, so I followed my people in their association or idolatry."

God - be glorified - is above His creatures on His throne [in the Psalms, the throne is called "The heaven of heavens" on which God has mounted]; so God is in heaven on His throne; below this throne are the Paradises; and Hell is below.

This is in the Quran 2: 212

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زُيِّنَ لِلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ الْحَيَاةُ الدُّنْيَا وَيَسْخَرُونَ مِنَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ وَالَّذِينَ اتَّقَواْ فَوْقَهُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَاللّهُ يَرْزُقُ مَن يَشَاء بِغَيْرِ حِسَابٍ​

The explanation:
(The Worldly life has been made to seem pleasant to the unbelievers, and they deride the believers [because they are poor].
But those [believers] who ward off [the disobedience of God] will be above them on the Judgment Day; for [even] undeservedly God [will] give provisions to whom He will.)​

And there are some other ayat expounding this meaning and that God has mounted the throne, and the angels fear their Lord Who is above them on His throne.

 

[Cliffy]

and the angels fear their Lord Who is above them on His throne.

eanassir, and you find this passage of particular inspiration - that angels fear god? I find that just stupid. There is nothing to fear from a benevolent creator or that creator is not benevolent but a psychopath.

 

[eanassir]

and the angels fear their Lord Who is above them on His throne.

eanassir, and you find this passage of particular inspiration - that angels fear god? I find that just stupid. There is nothing to fear from a benevolent creator or that creator is not benevolent but a psychopath.

If the boss or the director of a company does not punish the workers whatever they do: whether they work perfectly or neglect intentionally; then what consequences will be of the work in such a company?​

In case God will reward all people equally: on one hand, the criminal and the guilty of much crimes and offenses and transgression on people, and on the other hand, the good-doer and the pious who do all good work and avoid any transgression on people; will this be any justice?
This is in the Quran 38: 28​

أَمْ نَجْعَلُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ كَالْمُفْسِدِينَ فِي الْأَرْضِ أَمْ نَجْعَلُ الْمُتَّقِينَ كَالْفُجَّارِ​

The explanation:
(Or [if there is no afterlife, nor any reward, nor punishment according to the opinion of disbelievers]:
shall We then let those who believe and work righteous [deeds] be equal to corruptors on earth?
Or shall We then let those [pious] who ward off [God's punishment] be equal to those who are profligate?)​

Moreover, all people will steal the property of other people and transgress on the rights of each other, and will not do any good or only very little; because they will know that whatever work they do, it will be the same, and they will not be punished and will have the same reward.​

Moreover, God does not wrong them concerning the reward or punishment of anyone of them. As He said in the Quran 4: 40​

إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَظْلِمُ مِثْقَالَ ذَرَّةٍ وَإِن تَكُ حَسَنَةً يُضَاعِفْهَا وَيُؤْتِ مِن لَّدُنْهُ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًا​

The explanation:
(Surely, God does not wrong [people] so much as the weight of a particle, and if it be a good [deed], He will multiply it, and give from Himself [His own accord?] a great recompense.)​

Therefore, God is Terrible at punishment; yet He is Most Merciful and Most Forgiving; as in the aya 5: 98 ​

اعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ وَأَنَّ اللّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ​

The explanation:
(Know God is Terrible in retribution [to those who associate others with Him and disobey His commands],
and God is Most Forgiving [to monotheists who repent], Most Merciful [to those who regret about their sins].)​

eanassir
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http://man-after-death.t35.com
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

 

[Cliffy]

If the boss or the director of a company does not punish the workers whatever they do: whether they work perfectly or neglect intentionally; then what consequences will be of the work in such a company?

eanassir,

I don't know what country you live in but bosses can go to jail in Canada for "punishing" their employees.

An you know something, I don't believe in the Koran any more than I believe in the the bible, so quoting that pile of non-sense is just a waste of all your cut and paste fever. What is in your head is what I'm interested in not in some dusty old literature that never was relevant to anything. It is just a bad translation of earlier Hebrew writings that Mohammad plagiarized.

What do you think? I don't care what the Koran has to say about anything.
​

 

[Cliffy]

اعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ وَأَنَّ اللّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

It is pretty writing though. Much more artistic than the utilitarianistic text we use.

 

[eanassir]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuStSHFTcZs

The Book of Genesis was not revealed to Moses; the Children of Israel inherited it from the time of their grandfather Abraham. Then they included it in their bible or the Torah collection.
Then when Nabuchodonosor conquered Palestine and destroyed Jerusalem and its temple, he tore up the Torah which was written on the parchment the gazelle skin) and was kept wrapped by fine silk.​

When they returned to Palestine 70 years later, the priest Ezra son of Siraeh rewrite the Torah for them, and this included the Book of Genesis which he made full of a large number of mistakes and lies.
The Torah [or Hebrew Bible] of Ezra ​

Therefore, the story of the creation, Adam and Eve and many other stories came defective and distorted in the Torah of Ezra including the present Book of Genesis.​

This led to the encouraging and enhancing of the atheism and the anti-religious attitude of many educated people, particularly in the West. Because they see much contradiction between the applied sciences and the Torah of Ezra, which in fact is not the true original Torah of God revealed to Moses and the prophets.​

The Creation according to the Quran:​

1- Nothing is said about the time of the beginning of the universe. ​

2- The new (the present) solar system including the earth: the earth, planets and moons were created or formed in 6 days (6000 years). The duration when this earth has developed, after being a part of a flaming sun: it then had a crust, atmosphere with many layers, mountains landed on it (and at the same time all other planets passed the same phases of development); all this lasted 6000 [of our] years.​

This is in the Quran 32: 4

اللَّهُ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ ...الخ​

The explanation: (It is God Who created the heavens and the earth and that which is between them in six [of the] days [of the Hereafter] …etc.)
>> (that which is between them) means: the moons and the meteorites; because their position is between the planets.

3- Then a period came which only God knows how long, when man has not been created yet. As in the Quran 76: 1​

هَلْ أَتَى عَلَى الْإِنسَانِ حِينٌ مِّنَ الدَّهْرِ لَمْ يَكُن شَيْئًا مَّذْكُورًا​

The explanation:
(Has there not passed, concerning man, a long period of time [before his creation] when he was not anything mentioned [by angels]?)

4- Then the period from creating man till now; God only knows how long it is. ​

eanassir
http://universeandquran.t35.com
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

 

[eanassir]

eanassir said:
If the boss or the director of a company does not punish the workers whatever they do: whether they work perfectly or neglect intentionally; then what consequences will be of the work in such a company?​

Cliffy said:

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"bosses can go to jail in Canada for "punishing" their employees."​

This demonstrates obviously your evasion; because my words is clear: the boss will not punish the workers by beating them, but according to the law and rules of the company in case they neglect in their duty; and this is applicable in Canada and elsewhere.

An you know something, I don't believe in the Koran any more than I believe in the the bible, so quoting that pile of non-sense is just a waste of all your cut and paste fever. What is in your head is what I'm interested in not in some dusty old literature that never was relevant to anything.​

​

I only have replied to you in response to your previous reply, when you said: Why don't you answer me?"
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It is just a bad translation of earlier Hebrew writings that Mohammad plagiarized.​

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What do you think? I don't care what the Koran has to say about anything.​

It is up to you to believe or believe not. And it is up to God to deal with you as He please.

 

[Cliffy]

eanassir,

Just as I thought. You are incapable of original thought, just parroting some mumbo jumbo. And god will not deal with me as he pleases. I will deal with him as I please, which is to say not at all. One cannot deal with something that doesn't exist.

 

[scratch]

BIG self-contradiction here.

 

[Cliffy]

BIG self-contradiction here.

scratch,

Then I am just like a religion.

 

[GreenFish66]

Life after death...I use a common person like Einstein ....Einstein contributed a lot of time and energy into a lot of things that influenced how we all think!!...His life lives on in his contributions...

A mind lives on in other minds..One comes to fill the void of another..But never completely!

The body dies...The brain looses it's pulse but the mind lives on forever!!

Body of the earth ..Mind of the universe!

 

[Cliffy]

GreenFish66,

What is with the blood shot eye? You pulling too many all-nighters?


Body of the earth ..Mind of the universe!

The Earth is our body, the universe our collective mind. There is no vacuum. The void is filled with the thoughts and deeds of every generation to precede us. Energy is neither created or destroyed.

 

[freethinker58]

Life after death answer

The answer to the question of life after death is amazingly simple. It starts with a question: If you can exist once, what can prevent a future existence? The answer is this: If an existence can't be prevented by a superior intelligence and if the necessary ingredients for existence are present, nothing can prevent a future existence. Prevent is the key word. If it can't be prevented, it probably happens again and again the same way it happened the only time we're aware of it happening.

It makes no sense to limit an existence to just once in an eternity unless you're referring to a continued spiritual existence that jumps from physical body to physical body. Of course, we have to question whether or not consciousness is possible without the aid of a physical body.

We must realize that reality (all that exists) is eternal. In other words, something had to have always existed in order for anything to exist. Something had to be the catalyst. The reality we know didn't just spring from nothingness. There is no such thing as nothingness - a reality in which nothing exists. That's easily observed.

Most astrophysicists believe the "big bang" theory at this point. They believe that the universe sprang from something called a singularity. That means it was another form of energy before a dramatic change took place. What we know (or believe we know) is limited to that at this point.

One question that arises is this: Did a purpose precede the universe? What would be the point of a universe that can never be experienced? It would be nothing more than a colossal waste of real estate if nothing were capable of experiencing and utilizing it. How senseless that would be!

The question of purpose or no purpose should logically leave all of us on the fence. We're in no position to declare that nature either is or isn't controlled by an intelligence. Nature may be the intelligence. We have to wonder what force (if any) drove DNA to become complicated enough to form physical bodies capable of hosting self-aware beings.

Where does religion fit in? I've yet to see a religion that makes sense. A sound philosophy that questions and critically analyzes things related to the origin of the universe without drawing conclusions is by far our smartest approach to this enigma.

Personally, I'm on the fence when it comes to personal gods. However, I firmly believe that I will experience another existence. The key to my belief is the eternal reality from which our universe sprang. In other words, I firmly believe it is virtually impossible to experience only one very brief conscious existence in all eternity.

Mathematically, my next "life" is not likely to occur on this planet. It's much more likely to occur at a random spot in the known universe or in an unknown (or future) universe. Then again, some unknown intelligence may have a lot more control over such things than I can fathom. If that's the case, why would an intelligent force prevent me from experiencing a future existence? I can think of no reason. I deserve no punishment as severe as that.

 

[AnnaG]

The answer to the question of life after death is amazingly simple. It starts with a question: If you can exist once, what can prevent a future existence? The answer is this: If an existence can't be prevented by a superior intelligence and if the necessary ingredients for existence are present, nothing can prevent a future existence. Prevent is the key word. If it can't be prevented, it probably happens again and again the same way it happened the only time we're aware of it happening.

It makes no sense to limit an existence to just once in an eternity unless you're referring to a continued spiritual existence that jumps from physical body to physical body. Of course, we have to question whether or not consciousness is possible without the aid of a physical body.

We must realize that reality (all that exists) is eternal. In other words, something had to have always existed in order for anything to exist. Something had to be the catalyst. The reality we know didn't just spring from nothingness. There is no such thing as nothingness - a reality in which nothing exists. That's easily observed.

Most astrophysicists believe the "big bang" theory at this point. They believe that the universe sprang from something called a singularity. That means it was another form of energy before a dramatic change took place. What we know (or believe we know) is limited to that at this point.

One question that arises is this: Did a purpose precede the universe? What would be the point of a universe that can never be experienced? It would be nothing more than a colossal waste of real estate if nothing were capable of experiencing and utilizing it. How senseless that would be!

The question of purpose or no purpose should logically leave all of us on the fence. We're in no position to declare that nature either is or isn't controlled by an intelligence. Nature may be the intelligence. We have to wonder what force (if any) drove DNA to become complicated enough to form physical bodies capable of hosting self-aware beings.

Where does religion fit in? I've yet to see a religion that makes sense. A sound philosophy that questions and critically analyzes things related to the origin of the universe without drawing conclusions is by far our smartest approach to this enigma.

Personally, I'm on the fence when it comes to personal gods. However, I firmly believe that I will experience another existence. The key to my belief is the eternal reality from which our universe sprang. In other words, I firmly believe it is virtually impossible to experience only one very brief conscious existence in all eternity.

Mathematically, my next "life" is not likely to occur on this planet. It's much more likely to occur at a random spot in the known universe or in an unknown (or future) universe. Then again, some unknown intelligence may have a lot more control over such things than I can fathom. If that's the case, why would an intelligent force prevent me from experiencing a future existence? I can think of no reason. I deserve no punishment as severe as that.

Good post, FT. As far as physical bits carrying spirit on from body to body goes, I think it's ridiculous, but I think it is pretty much fact that those bits are reassembled into various other parts of the universe. My calcium may become a part of an oyster shell or my iron may become part of a rock in a mountain. I think it took the universe billions of years to throw enough ingredients at Earth for the right combination of things to start life, so one's bits and pieces could very well reassamble, it'd just take trillions of trillions of years I think.

 

[Niflmir]

The answer to the question of life after death is amazingly simple. It starts with a question: If you can exist once, what can prevent a future existence? The answer is this: If an existence can't be prevented by a superior intelligence and if the necessary ingredients for existence are present, nothing can prevent a future existence. Prevent is the key word. If it can't be prevented, it probably happens again and again the same way it happened the only time we're aware of it happening.

It makes no sense to limit an existence to just once in an eternity unless you're referring to a continued spiritual existence that jumps from physical body to physical body. Of course, we have to question whether or not consciousness is possible without the aid of a physical body.

We must realize that reality (all that exists) is eternal. In other words, something had to have always existed in order for anything to exist. Something had to be the catalyst. The reality we know didn't just spring from nothingness. There is no such thing as nothingness - a reality in which nothing exists. That's easily observed.

Most astrophysicists believe the "big bang" theory at this point. They believe that the universe sprang from something called a singularity. That means it was another form of energy before a dramatic change took place. What we know (or believe we know) is limited to that at this point.

One question that arises is this: Did a purpose precede the universe? What would be the point of a universe that can never be experienced? It would be nothing more than a colossal waste of real estate if nothing were capable of experiencing and utilizing it. How senseless that would be!

The question of purpose or no purpose should logically leave all of us on the fence. We're in no position to declare that nature either is or isn't controlled by an intelligence. Nature may be the intelligence. We have to wonder what force (if any) drove DNA to become complicated enough to form physical bodies capable of hosting self-aware beings.

Where does religion fit in? I've yet to see a religion that makes sense. A sound philosophy that questions and critically analyzes things related to the origin of the universe without drawing conclusions is by far our smartest approach to this enigma.

Personally, I'm on the fence when it comes to personal gods. However, I firmly believe that I will experience another existence. The key to my belief is the eternal reality from which our universe sprang. In other words, I firmly believe it is virtually impossible to experience only one very brief conscious existence in all eternity.

Mathematically, my next "life" is not likely to occur on this planet. It's much more likely to occur at a random spot in the known universe or in an unknown (or future) universe. Then again, some unknown intelligence may have a lot more control over such things than I can fathom. If that's the case, why would an intelligent force prevent me from experiencing a future existence? I can think of no reason. I deserve no punishment as severe as that.

The issue isn't that existence continues. The issue of life after death is a question of continuity of consciousness. Physics says there can be no loss of energy(up to vacuum energy). Ergo, whatever I am physically will always exist in one form or another. The continuity of consciousness is always a fundamental aspect, even in reincarnation: if I will never remember my previous lives, than karma means nothing to me. The person I am affecting is not myself.

However, biology states that my memories and so the sense of self are imprints in a brain and it provides directions for which even a remedial intellect can terminate their existence: stop blood from flowing to the brain. There is proof that the memories are contained in the brain tissue and that a person can continue living once parts of the brain containing these memories are removed: the memories are not imprinted on what makes a person that person.

As for the big bang. No. Nothing existed before that point in classical GR. Even in quantum cosmology you can create energy from (basically)nothing. In fact, dark energy does just that and is a purely classical effect. There are hypotheses which assert that there was something before, but they are currently untestable and unnecessary, although quite interesting.

 

[petros]

Reincarnation.... with 90 Billion chickens slaughtered yearly the odds are very very very good that you end up in a CAFO several times.

Set your chickens free!

 

[china]

LGilbert

Perhaps YOU don't seek the info, but an awful lot of others do. Otherwise why would we have such a thing as curiosity if we didn't seek info that things are as they are?

Well you see LG ,I am too busy living and to curios about life to have time or even minute interest in worrying what death is ; I don't know , do you ? Have you bin there
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