Americans manufacture another nuclear crisis
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Some folks are under the impression that the average citizen cares about the plight
of the Arabs in the Middle East. As long as the comforts of home are available the
western folks couldn't care less. I have long been a person who believed we could find some way to achieve peace in the Middle East but not anymore. All they do is
demand this and demand that, and bring with them a religion that is steeped in
some 1500 year time warp that doesn't fit into the customs of the west. But wait
all the Muslims are doing is competing with a Born Again Christian crowd that is
steeped in a 2000 year old time warp. In the end one or the other will survive as
the planet is not big enough for both.
of the Arabs in the Middle East. As long as the comforts of home are available the
western folks couldn't care less. I have long been a person who believed we could find some way to achieve peace in the Middle East but not anymore. All they do is
demand this and demand that, and bring with them a religion that is steeped in
some 1500 year time warp that doesn't fit into the customs of the west. But wait
all the Muslims are doing is competing with a Born Again Christian crowd that is
steeped in a 2000 year old time warp. In the end one or the other will survive as
the planet is not big enough for both.
Oh yeah RIGHT! Iran is such a lover of PEACE, Love, and promotes no violence against Israel! That is why they are the major contributor to, and the puppet-master of Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad.........I am sick of this promotion of the major supporter of terrorist murder on earth as some kind of passive example of proper behaviour. The biggest fear is not that Iran would launch a missile attack against Israel (suicidal) but that Iran would supply a weapon or weapons to the loonies in their control, to be smuggled into Tel Aviv, Washington, London, Madrid, Totonto......
Yeah Tell THAT to Iraq, Rolled Eyes.
The US supplied sat and intelligence to the Iraqis which is not in dispute. You are insinuating that the US helped plan chemical attacks because we provided sat info.
You said the US was on the ground helping plan chemical attacks when the article states that we provided sat info that the Iraqis would have used to launch chemical strikes. When the Iraqis gassed the Kurds, why would they need sat photos of their own land? Did they not know where the villages were?
Toughen up. It's a forum.
The sources are secondary source and a news article in liberal newspapers and a progressive/liberal website. All heresay.
Leaked list. No verifiable source? Dan Rather had a leaked document which proved to be a forgery. Look where it got him.
As if you would believe a mountain of evidence disproving your claims. You believe this stuff because you want to.
Did you actually use the word reputable? :lol:
Innocent until proven otherwise.
I agree and disagree with you damngrumpy.
I agree that average person doesn't care about war, oppression and injustice if its far away. I'm not sure how wise that is, but you are right. 9/11 proves how small this world really is and that no place is far enough away that distant problems can't create problems for us. Also the US is active in many countries near and far.
The MSM and our leaders will continue to manufacture one crisis after another regarding Iran in order to condition us for an Israeli or US attack against Iran. These manufactured crises are part of years long misinformation effort to convince people that Iran is a threat, so that if these powers decide to launch an unprovoked attack, the majority of the sheeple will percieve their actions as justified and therefore support it, just like how most people supported the unprovoked Iraq war crime which has slaughtered about a million people so far.
If Israel or the US attack Iran, Canada will be under pressure to get involved, just like Iraq and Afghanistan. So this issue should be important to Canadians, because eventually it will involve us directly.
Harper's recent statements indicate he is part of the misinformatin problem:
The Canadians seem pretty happy with sending troops here and there under the UN flag.
I know that you WANT a war with Iran. It just isn't going to happen. Go start your own.
How so? They did not get involved in Iraq. How did Canada handle the pressure? Very well in my opinion.
I am sure they wouldn't get involved with Iran if that was to even occur.
As conclusively established earlier in this thread, you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the arse....:lol:
Where did you get the idea that Iran and Iraq have poor relations? From the same place where you get all your misinformation, I imagine:
Sounds almost cosy...
I am also concerned that a group of radicals with an anti-west agenda might get their hands on a nuke or some other WMD. But I have little fear Iran would be responsible in the short term. Iran is oppressed, but stable.
Pakistan is growing more unstable by the day. Russia and North Korea would probably sell anything for the right price.
The way I see it, the US is no better than Iran regarding this conflict. The US supports and arms Israel, while Iran supports and arms Israel's adversaries.
Maybe if the US stopped arming Israel, they might be able to demand that Iran stop arming Israel's adversaries without looking like hypocrites. But we both know that Iran is as unlikely to stop arming Israel's adversaries as the US is to stop arming Israel.
For now, US support has given Israel the upperhand over Israel's adversaries. As a result Israel's adversaries have resorted to assymetrical warfare tactics. Israel's main advantage is air superiority. But as Iran's MANPADS technology improves, Israel may loose that advantage. In which case the war will become more conventional.
IMO, both sides resort to terrorism and war crimes. You may not see it that way, because you believe western propaganda that only Israel's adversaries commit terrorist acts and war crimes. Meanwhile 1.2 billion Muslims and Arabs get their version of propaganda and the way most of them see it, only Israel commits terrorist acts and war crimes, which explains why most of them hate Israel.
I'm in the middle. I don't support violence and or hate anyone. I am against committing terrorism, war crimes and crimes against humanity. I support bringing all terrorists and war criminals to justice. Unlike you, our leaders, the MSM or most Muslims, Arabs, their media and leaders, I'm not ignoring one side's war crimes and acts of terrorism. I can see both.
No problem Cliffy, just prove what you say.
"The whole point of American involvement in the Middle East has been about destabilizing the area so they cn control the oil, having pitted Muslim against Muslim groups and nations."
"The whole point of American involvement in the Middle East has been about destabilizing the area so they cn control the oil, having pitted Muslim against Muslim groups and nations."
The only control we have over the ME oil is that we are a big consumer. Outside of that we have no control. Just look how much control the US had over the oil during the 1973 Oil Crisis. OPEC brought the US to a virtual standstill. Ain't it great how we own all the oil!
OPEC controls Middle East oil...not the US.
Now we are to blame for Muslim on Muslim violence? Sure Clifford...if the US wasn't around the Muslims would be living in a Utopia. Hey they had a Muslim Utopia in Afghanistan under the Taliban...what a lovely place that was and how they treated each other with love and respect.
Let me try to get this quote right...
Before 9/11 the Taliban was using their Soccer Stadium for public executions. When their Minister of Info was questioned as to why a place for fun is being used for executions. He responded...
"When the world community builds us a proper place for executions we will stop using the stadium."
Lovely!
Exactly EagleSmack, we control nothing over there, sometimes I wish we did. I almost forgot about the soccer stadium, good memory.
''Hey they had a Muslim Utopia in Afghanistan under the Taliban...what a lovely place that was and how they treated each other with love and respect. ''
Which is why Reagan said Osama bin Laden and the Mujahideen were 'freedom fighters''.
Which is why Reagan said Osama bin Laden and the Mujahideen were 'freedom fighters''.
Asians live in a time warp, are not democracies and will fight each other for a very long time for various obscure reasons. We don't even have time any more for Northern Ireland, a place where they are white, speak English and are/were Christian.
So, brown skinned peoples, speaking many foreign languages, and practicing odd religions are just beyond our understanding. The problems in NI passed out of our Western mind long ago. Asia, forget it. It weakens us being in this tangle.
''Hey they had a Muslim Utopia in Afghanistan under the Taliban...what a lovely place that was and how they treated each other with love and respect. ''
Which is why Reagan said Osama bin Laden and the Mujahideen were 'freedom fighters''.
At the time they were.....killing Russians, you know.
Things change.
Reagan certainly had plenty of time to retract that statement when he saw how repressive they were. But that wouldn't be sporting, right?
The Taliban ("Students of Islamic Knowledge Movement") ruled Afghanistan from 1996 until 2001. They came to power during Afghanistan's long civil war. Although they managed to hold 90% of the country's territory, their policies—including their treatment of women and support of terrorists—ostracized them from the world community. Mujahideen were freedom fighters, Osama bin Laden was/is a killer.
Ronald Reagan Presidency from January 20, 1981 to January 20, 1989. Did not have to deal with Taliban
Ronald Reagan Presidency from January 20, 1981 to January 20, 1989. Did not have to deal with Taliban
this is the next paragraph from your source (infoplease link):
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The Taliban's rise to power
The Taliban are one of the mujahideen ("holy warriors" or "freedom fighters") groups that formed during the war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan (1979-89). After the withdrawal of Soviet forces, the Soviet-backed government lost ground to the mujahideen. In 1992, Kabul was captured and an alliance of mujahideen set up a new government with Burhanuddin Rabbani as interim president. However, the various factions were unable to cooperate and fell to fighting each other. Afghanistan was reduced to a collection of territories held by competing warlords.
... and there is more ...
This was during the Reagan and Bush years.
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The Taliban's rise to power
The Taliban are one of the mujahideen ("holy warriors" or "freedom fighters") groups that formed during the war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan (1979-89). After the withdrawal of Soviet forces, the Soviet-backed government lost ground to the mujahideen. In 1992, Kabul was captured and an alliance of mujahideen set up a new government with Burhanuddin Rabbani as interim president. However, the various factions were unable to cooperate and fell to fighting each other. Afghanistan was reduced to a collection of territories held by competing warlords.
... and there is more ...
This was during the Reagan and Bush years.
Gee, how sweet it was of the Taliban to express their appreciation of American aid against the murderous occupation of the Russian Army.........by allowing Osama bin Laden to train and organize murder in New York on a massive scale.
And now people want to "negotiate" with them.
Is there anything more idiotic than a lefty peacenik????
And now people want to "negotiate" with them.
Is there anything more idiotic than a lefty peacenik????