Oldest known human ancestor rewrites evolution theories

[AnnaG]

So the first part of these is wrong:

I'm agnostic. But for arguments sake, how does this disprove God embedding a fossil record when she created the earth? If she is powerful enough to create the universe, surely she is powerful enough to create a few crumbly bones here and there as a test of faith....

If you go a little farther with that thought, you wonder why such a powerful being wouldn't divest the universe of evil, make humans with better eyes, shoulders, etc., and refrain from getting angry enough to wipe out entire populations of cities and whatnot. "The Lord works in mysterious ways". Yeah, that's why it doesn't care about what goes on in its invention (the universe and particularly Earth).
She? Don't blame the failings of gods on being female, please.

 

[AnnaG]

Sure all valid points. Which proves that evidence based science will never disprove faith based belief.

But an interesting discovering. She sort of looks like a girl I knew in highschool...

Right. No evidence leaves nothing but faith (supposition); it's a dead-ended argument, so the answer to "why" this and that are the way they are is "just because".

 

[AnnaG]

Now, that it has been proven that human life originated in Africa, all human life in North America since time immemorial is IMMIGRANTS.

That begs the questions: Aren't even the so-called First Nations immigrants? What is the legal and legitimate claim of so-called First Nations over any others? Are people who claim (and without written history they can not prove) that their ancestors were here before the Vikings? Are people whose ancestors arrived here hundred years ago better citizens than those who came yesterday, or whose ancestors came 25 years ago? Is giving so-called First Nations privilage over all the others fair?

Just wondering.

Right. The "first nations" people weren't the first ones here and we were mostly replaced by a much more aggressive bunch. But the thing is it was the aggressors who came up with the plan to subjugate the aboriginals with treaties they wouldn't honor, con them out of good lands, etc. So it's perfectly natural for the "first nations" people to take whatever they can get from the European aggressors. And it continues to this day.

 

[jambo101]

What better life to have than swimming around having fun in the bow waves of ships, having sex, chasing seals and penguins for fun, eating fish, and chattering about stupid humans?

Good point, maybe we arent so smart as a species after all..

 

[YukonJack]

"Right. The "first nations" people weren't the first ones here and we were mostly replaced by a much more aggressive bunch. But the thing is it was the aggressors who came up with the plan to subjugate the aboriginals with treaties they wouldn't honor, con them out of good lands, etc. So it's perfectly natural for the "first nations" people to take whatever they can get from the European aggressors. And it continues to this day. :icon_smile:"

Yeah, yeah, cry me a river. The subjugated European, South American and other contemporaries of the poor innocent victims of North American Natives never did have any treaty, they were just subjugated. Conquered. Vanquished.

There have NEVER been vanquished, conquered, beaten and subjugated people in the entire history of the world better treated by the winners than North American "Natives".

 

[Ron in Regina]

Nobody forced the Europeans to sign Treaties with the North American Inhabitants
when the Europeans arrived here. Treaties where the most expedient and least
costly solution at the time. For many generations, one side had a huge advantage
over the other....and now the scales are tipping. That's what you're seeing at this
point in history. An expensive all out war could have been fought instead of the
Treaties being signed, but that's not the way things went down.

 

[YukonJack]

Ron, re your post #26.

That is EXACTLY my point. The "natives" on this continent have it far better than ANY and ALL the peoples similarly vanquished.

Name just one anywhere in the world that can go to court and demand anything.

And shamefully to our weak-kneed, noodle-spined world, WIN!!

 

[lone wolf]

Who taught 'em how to use the Court?

 

[Kakato]

Not crashed spaceships. crashed meteorites. Some apparently carry the building blocks of life. What better life to have than swimming around having fun in the bow waves of ships, having sex, chasing seals and penguins for fun, eating fish, and chattering about stupid humans?

They simulated a meteorite impact useing dust from space and when it hit the simulated ocean what was created by the impact was amino acids,the building blocks of life.

 

[AnnaG]

"Right. The "first nations" people weren't the first ones here and we were mostly replaced by a much more aggressive bunch. But the thing is it was the aggressors who came up with the plan to subjugate the aboriginals with treaties they wouldn't honor, con them out of good lands, etc. So it's perfectly natural for the "first nations" people to take whatever they can get from the European aggressors. And it continues to this day. :icon_smile:"

Yeah, yeah, cry me a river. The subjugated European, South American and other contemporaries of the poor innocent victims of North American Natives never did have any treaty, they were just subjugated. Conquered. Vanquished.

There have NEVER been vanquished, conquered, beaten and subjugated people in the entire history of the world better treated by the winners than North American "Natives".

Did you notice the grin at the end? Apparently not. I'm fine with the way things are going in my life because I refuse to play the "victim" game. I move on after something nasty happens and I don't blame the descendants of nasty people for the deeds that the nasty people did.

 

[YukonJack]

"I'm fine with the way things are going in my life because I refuse to play the "victim" game."

AnnaG, I honour you for that very commandable attitude. It fits in with an old prayer called "Desiderata". I am sure you heard about it.

If more people felt that way, the world would be a better place.

 

[AnnaG]

They simulated a meteorite impact useing dust from space and when it hit the simulated ocean what was created by the impact was amino acids,the building blocks of life.

Life's Building Blocks From Space? Meteorites A Rich Source For Primordial Soup

Clues To A Secret Of Life Found In Meteorite Dust

Meteorites delivered the 'seeds' of Earth's left-hand life

SPACE.com -- Life's Building Blocks Found in Mars Rock

 

[Ron in Regina]

Ron, re your post #26.

That is EXACTLY my point. The "natives" on this continent have it far better than ANY and ALL the peoples similarly vanquished.

Name just one anywhere in the world that can go to court and demand anything.

And shamefully to our weak-kneed, noodle-spined world, WIN!!

The people that Europeans discovered as already inhabiting North America,
when the Europeans stumbled upon it, where never "vanquished." They where
invited into a contractual agreement to avoid a costly war that the European
settlers may very well not have won. The Treaties where Politically and
Financially expedient at that point in time.

 

[Tonington]

I saw a comparison of Ardi with an ape, one of the most famous fictional apes. Oh, the site is a very good blog written by an anthropologist, which some of you may not know about. This is a very big deal, and you can expect a lot of talk from the anthropologists geeking out over this new collection of papers in Science.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

So the first part of these is wrong:

I'm agnostic. But for arguments sake, how does this disprove God embedding a fossil record when she created the earth? If she is powerful enough to create the universe, surely she is powerful enough to create a few crumbly bones here and there as a test of faith....

You make a good point earth, it doesn’t disprove that. Anybody who believes that God created earth 5000 years ago in six days (or 1000 years ago in one day, or 5 minutes ago in a nanosecond, take your pick), along with all the fossil records will continue to believe so, his faith is unshakable.

Plus a true, dyed in the wool Creationist will use these findings to argue that if evolution has to be reconsidered again and again, it proves that evolution is wrong, and God’s word, Book of Genesis is the ultimate word in how life was created.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Good point, maybe we arent so smart as a species after all..

The dinosaurs survived for more than 100 million years. Let is see if we are half as smart as the dinosaurs.

 

[lone wolf]

Micheal!

 

[Tonington]

The dinosaurs survived for more than 100 million years. Let is see if we are as fit as the dinosaurs.

Fixed that for you.

 

[AnnaG]

Fixed that for you.

*big grin*

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Fixed that for you.

I don’t know, Tonington. Dinosaurs were smart enough not to fight among themselves (also not to turn the whole earth into a garbage dump), perhaps that is why they survived that long. Humans aren’t that smart, we fight and kill each other.