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Cliffy

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Nothing i have said would have any worth if it did not represent an imminent reality. It is you who have turned of paps of the milk of faith. You see it as a rant, because you feel challenged by it. I've said before everytime i post anything religious on the forum you are there with such 'balanced' displays as what is quoted above. And if i ceased to respond to some of the modernist secular nonsense that is preached as gospel truth on this forum, i would be leaving the field to pure chaos and dissolution, which is its only destiny.

Ahh!!! Are the voices you hear embodied or dis-embodied? Do they have wings?

You remind me of the assassin guy in Da Vinci Code who self flaggulated.

What you see out there is no different than the decadence inherent in any falling empire. It has happened to every empire since the dawn of time. It is a natural occurrence and will end in barbarism, just like the rest. We will be overrun by another group just like we did to those before us. There is nothing you or I can do to stop it because it is necessary. All you can do is be faithful to your truth and let the world unfold as it will.
 

AnnaG

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Ahh!!! Are the voices you hear embodied or dis-embodied? Do they have wings?

You remind me of the assassin guy in Da Vinci Code who self flaggulated.
lmao I was thinking of a minor Inquisitor circa 1700s. lol
 

coldstream

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You can call whatever you like to be whatever you want, but that doesn't make it reality. If anyone is pathological, it's people like you with your insistence upon being self-righteous, disrespectful, and delusional. All you seem to do is snivel and whine about everything and everyone you don't agree with nor fit into your tiny little mote of a world. Knowing there are people like you around, I can easily see why people are shedding themselves of religion.
If you weren't such a sad case you'd be hilarious.

This could be part of a credo that states there is NO TRUTH, no justice, no right and wrong. It exists already in our society as relativistic, secular 'humanism'. I have stated nothing that wasn't in our society's accepted moral code for millenia until YOUR brand of truth overtook us within the last 40 years. Your position is really not even agnosticism, it is a militant philosophical movement, atheistic, hedonistic, radically individualistic.. whose aim is to completely overturn the old order.

There is something more to my code than just a Book and a Church. Humans are ingrained with a conscience, a subliminal knowledge of what is right and wrong, of a divine natural order. It can be obfuscated and ignored, as is happening now on the issue of homosexuality. It can be rebelled against, which forms part of the human mission, drama and destiny.. but it cannot be erased.
 

coldstream

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Ahh!!! Are the voices you hear embodied or dis-embodied? Do they have wings?

You remind me of the assassin guy in Da Vinci Code who self flaggulated.

What you see out there is no different than the decadence inherent in any falling empire. It has happened to every empire since the dawn of time. It is a natural occurrence and will end in barbarism, just like the rest. We will be overrun by another group just like we did to those before us. There is nothing you or I can do to stop it because it is necessary. All you can do is be faithful to your truth and let the world unfold as it will.

I'm not a member of Opus Dei, athough i support the traditionalist FSSP (Fraternal Society of St. Peter) which promotes the reestablishment of the Old Latin Mass and Breviary, their attributes and an undiluted Catechism.

I actually agree with you, but only to a point. The Rise and Collapse of Civilizations, as the West is, was well elucidated, especially by Oswald Spengler, in The Decline of the West, in the last century.

Many of his predictions, almost a century old, are being realized with uncanny accuracy now. Spengler was a dedicated Deist and (perhaps) a Gnostic as well, and was especially critical of the gospels of St. Paul, which defined Christianity's fundamental moral character, and his predictions thus contain an inherent bias.

But there has been an independent Christian strain to the progression of the West, interweaved and supportive through much of its history, but also in dissension with it when a strong Deist and relativistic character started to impose itself at the beginning of the Enlightenment.

That should indicate to you they have separate destinies. The West could well be on the road to ruin, led by a homosexual, hedonistic elite.. but Christianity will continue on.
 
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gerryh

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This could be part of a credo that states there is NO TRUTH, no justice, no right and wrong. It exists already in our society as relativistic, secular 'humanism'. I have stated nothing that wasn't in our society's accepted moral code for millenia until YOUR brand of truth overtook us within the last 40 years. Your position is really not even agnosticism, it is a militant philosophical movement, atheistic, hedonistic, radically individualistic.. whose aim is to completely overturn the old order.

There is something more to my code than just a Book and a Church. Humans are ingrained with a conscience, a subliminal knowledge of what is right and wrong, of a divine natural order. It can be obfuscated and ignored, as is happening now on the issue of homosexuality. It can be rebelled against, which forms part of the human mission, drama and destiny.. but it cannot be erased.


This is basically all BS and lies...either through a lack of knowledge, or purposeful.... which is it.
 

karrie

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Do you get news in your world?

The news has never shown abuse of leadership to be statistically worse in the church than in any other organization. They've simply shown it to be a more sensational target for their attention.
 

AnnaG

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This could be part of a credo that states there is NO TRUTH, no justice, no right and wrong. It exists already in our society as relativistic, secular 'humanism'. I have stated nothing that wasn't in our society's accepted moral code for millenia until YOUR brand of truth overtook us within the last 40 years. Your position is really not even agnosticism, it is a militant philosophical movement, atheistic, hedonistic, radically individualistic.. whose aim is to completely overturn the old order.
I doubt you'd know "truth" if it sat on your face and farted. You have no idea what I said. You just have this little pinhole that you look through life from and berate anything and anyone that doesn't come close to your extremist & puritanical views. Get a life you sad sack.
And I really do hope the "old order" gets squashed under the bootheel of good sense.

There is something more to my code than just a Book and a Church. Humans are ingrained with a conscience, a subliminal knowledge of what is right and wrong, of a divine natural order. It can be obfuscated and ignored, as is happening now on the issue of homosexuality. It can be rebelled against, which forms part of the human mission, drama and destiny.. but it cannot be erased.
whatever
 

lone wolf

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The news has never shown abuse of leadership to be statistically worse in the church than in any other organization. They've simply shown it to be a more sensational target for their attention.

Did I say anything about statistically worse? Sensationalism?... In the ultimate betrayal by someone who is supposed to be guiding your soul? Call it what you will....
 

gerryh

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Do you get news in your world?

I get plenty of "news", but I also don't get caght up in the sensationalism, which appears to be your problem.

The news has never shown abuse of leadership to be statistically worse in the church than in any other organization. They've simply shown it to be a more sensational target for their attention.

exactley

You're so cute.

and you're a moron.
 

coldstream

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I doubt you'd know "truth" if it sat on your face and farted. You have no idea what I said. You just have this little pinhole that you look through life from and berate anything and anyone that doesn't come close to your extremist & puritanical views. Get a life you sad sack.
And I really do hope the "old order" gets squashed under the bootheel of good sense.

whatever


:roll: Good Grief, Anna, that is most immoderate. I'm really taking you off your game, aren't i. ;-)
 

karrie

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Did I say anything about statistically worse? Sensationalism?... In the ultimate betrayal by someone who is supposed to be guiding your soul? Call it what you will....

I call it unforgivable, and the path taken of covering it up is one I gripe about. But, to have it whipped out in every argument as ammunition and insult towards me is annoying.
 

karrie

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Where is the insult toward you? Report me....

Anytime someone throws out an insult toward a church, you're insulting its members too. I note that it's not a thread about the church, or the abuses it's tried to cover up. No... it's a thread where people are ticked at cold for his view, so they throw every possible negativity out about the church that they can think of, to injure him. They just don't give a whole lot of thought to the fact that he's not the only Catholic in here.

coldstream is an extremist. Not the whole church. But if you want to slag all of it because of a few, have fun, but make no mistake that it's insulting.