More the Marry in Bountiful, BC

[L Gilbert]

Not only are girls indoctrinated from childhood into roles of sexual subservience to men in their 50s or beyond. But most young men who are born into these plural marriages are evicted as soon as they reach the age of majority, usually with little more than a one way bus ticket and few bucks in their pocket. They represent challenges to the sexual designs of the Winston Blackmore and his ilk on adolescent girls, who are usually married off at 14. This guy is as decrepit, spiritually deformed and predatious as you can get.

Ahhh, the expert on Blackmore speaks. Have you met the man? Do you live in the same region as Bountiful? Have you actually read anything about Bountiful besides what the newsmedia throws out? For someone that spews a lot of claims about Bountiful and Blackmore, you sure are misinformed. You remind me of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, et al. Except they sometimes get the facts straight.

 

[L Gilbert]

Despite the fact that I defend the right of consenting adults to form stable, legal family units that suit them, I doubt I'll ever think well of Mormon polygamy specifically, as it strikes me that the Mormon culture in its polygamous sects, and even largely in the Mormons I've met in my home town, is very isolating. I don't think it benefits anyone to be raised or to live in isolation of other cultural factors.

Like the people of Utah?

Anyway, as wifey said, the people of Bountiful have cars, computers, go to Dairy Queen, chew bubblegum, talk with other folks, and suchlike so they aren't all that isolated.

 

[L Gilbert]

Now... while it's not a politically correct opinion, I do believe that a healthy traditional family is the best environment for a child to be brought up in.

BUT... where my opinion widely differs from zealots, is the fact that I am more than aware that 'healthy' is rare, and so, any stable, healthy environment should be encouraged, even if it falls outside of the traditional family unit.

Quite so, Karrie, except for the bit about "healthy" being rare. "Healthy" is relative and there are plenty of healthy homes around where kids grow up to be good people and have come from good people.

 

[L Gilbert]

The traditional family unit is the extended family. The nuclear family is recent (since the industrial revolution) and is dysfunctional because it is un-natural. Humans have lived as tribal beings for 10s of thousands of years.

Your thesis is outmoded, Cliffy. There's been studies that indicate people are different; some are prone to monogamy, some not. Some people are good to partner with, some aren't. Those traits are partly genetic and partly environmental.

The nuclear family configuration is too stressful, requires too much time to provide for sufficient parenting. In the extended families, the raising of the children was everybody's business. The workload was spread out over many hands. Children were included in all the work necessary to maintain and grow.

Yep. Anna's clan was designed so that the grandparents were the ones that spent most time with kids while the parents worked. People evolve, though, as socitieties change, demographics change, etc.

Today, more often than not, are left to their own devices because Ma and Pa are too busy paying mortgages (or rent), groceries, cars, cell phones, etc. I think the divorce rate can be attributed to the fact that most people are too busy to grow together. They lose track of who they are and why they chose to be with this person. By the time the children have grown, if they are still together, people have become strangers to themselves and their spouses.

Partly. Partly because they don't clue into the idea that when they get married they become a totally different entity made of two parts. They are a unit, not two separate units in juxtaposition.

 

[coldstream]

Couldn't handle reality so you turned to fantasy. As I have stated before, trying to get spiritual nourishment from a two thousand year old book is like trying to suck milk from the breast of a woman who has been dead that long. Your connection to the divine is in life, not dusty old books or corrupt and decadent old institutions. I may not know the person behind the handle "coldstream" but I know what "coldstream" says on this forum, and it is full of hate and prejudice. Not the thoughts of a rational and loving person, but the rantings of a religious fanatic. If you want to be seen other than that, may I suggest that you tone down the rhetoric and at least attempt to sound sane.

Nothing i have said would have any worth if it did not represent an imminent reality. It is you who have turned of paps of the milk of faith. You see it as a rant, because you feel challenged by it. I've said before everytime i post anything religious on the forum you are there with such 'balanced' displays as what is quoted above. And if i ceased to respond to some of the modernist secular nonsense that is preached as gospel truth on this forum, i would be leaving the field to pure chaos and dissolution, which is its only destiny.

 

[lone wolf]

Just be a good Christian and say a prayer for them

 

[coldstream]

Then "a barren desert the world was without the reality of God", "without any spiritual sucor, but without integrity" was probably what you were expecting to see.
Funny thing is, I see wonderful people all over the place, beauty in nature sans deities, extremely pleasurable things like art, music, and things of that sort. You see what you look for unless you take your blinders off and open the safe you've enclosed your mind in. You reap what you sow.

All of the great artefacts, technology and conventions of our society, in fact even the reductive atheism that we are now in the grips of, owe a debt to the Augustine's and Aquinas' and their brethren, who developed the rational apparatus of the Western philosophical tradition.

Without Christinity, we would never have emerged from the Dark Ages. And there is no society that has ever existed that is without a supernatural substructure of belief, that is simply implicit with the human condition.

 

[coldstream]

And being hateful, sociopathic, and morbidly pessimistic is what?

Is celebrating a pathology bred of deep neuroses, disorder, narcissism, immaturity.. loving, empathetic, optimistic. Note that i have called homosexuality a pathology, not a crime. I have not called for a pogrom. I have merely called for some balance in what is now deemed a 'human right' despite the misery and catastrophic health consequences it causes to an individual and a society.

And i have noted that deforming a fundamental institution like marriage into an absurdity, cannot be done without unintended and disabling consequences.. which you can see in Bountiful. How about the 'human rights' of the those young people, sacrificed to the carnal delight of corrupt old men, for our new enlightened view of marriage.

 

[petros]

Just be a good Christian and say a prayer for them

So there are good Christians and bad Christians?

How do you tell them apart?

 

[lone wolf]

The bad ones think they can fix everything. The good ones know they can't.

 

[petros]

The bad ones think they can fix everything. The good ones know they can't.

So the good ones let **** slide? In hopes of what?

 

[lone wolf]

So the good ones let **** slide? In hopes of what?

Your words ... not mine.

 

[petros]

Your words ... not mine.

Aren't words used to cast spells?

 

[lone wolf]

Aren't words used to cast spells?

If you're so inclined, go for it....

 

[AnnaG]

And if i ceased to respond to some of the modernist secular nonsense that is preached as gospel truth on this forum, i would be leaving the field to pure chaos and dissolution, which is its only destiny.

You think your unsupported opinion changes people's minds? roflmao

 

[AnnaG]

All of the great artefacts, technology and conventions of our society, in fact even the reductive atheism that we are now in the grips of, owe a debt to the Augustine's and Aquinas' and their brethren, who developed the rational apparatus of the Western philosophical tradition.

Without Christinity, we would never have emerged from the Dark Ages. And there is no society that has ever existed that is without a supernatural substructure of belief, that is simply implicit with the human condition.

Yeah, before Christianity slithered into existence people had no philosophies, were little better than cave-dwelling troglodytes. roflmao What a load of nonsense.
You know, Mr. Stream, if I had a weaker mind, you'd probably be the one single human being that actually pushed me into atheism. But, I'm sticking to my brand of agnosticism.

 

[AnnaG]

Is celebrating a pathology bred of deep neuroses, disorder, narcissism, immaturity.. loving, empathetic, optimistic. Note that i have called homosexuality a pathology, not a crime. I have not called for a pogrom. I have merely called for some balance in what is now deemed a 'human right' despite the misery and catastrophic health consequences it causes to an individual and a society.

And i have noted that deforming a fundamental institution like marriage into an absurdity, cannot be done without unintended and disabling consequences.. which you can see in Bountiful. How about the 'human rights' of the those young people, sacrificed to the carnal delight of corrupt old men, for our new enlightened view of marriage.

You can call whatever you like to be whatever you want, but that doesn't make it reality. If anyone is pathological, it's people like you with your insistence upon being self-righteous, disrespectful, and delusional. All you seem to do is snivel and whine about everything and everyone you don't agree with nor fit into your tiny little mote of a world. Knowing there are people like you around, I can easily see why people are shedding themselves of religion.
If you weren't such a sad case you'd be hilarious.

 

[petros]

If you're so inclined, go for it....

No thats okay. I tend to stay away from that sort of thing. Especially the 66 books written by some of the past's top magicians, that is used today to cast spells.

 

[AnnaG]

So there are good Christians and bad Christians?

How do you tell them apart?

Actually the good ones are of some sort of benefit to others. The rest are only population pulp or of harm to others.

 

[Cliffy]

"population pulp"! I like it!