I'm sure he's restraining himself from crawling through his computer screen to strangle you for that ridiculous post!:roll:
Amnesty International Report "Operation Cast Lead" - 22 days of death and destruction
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You start with BS......no surprize there....read and learn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Line_(Lebanon)
Israel recognizes the UN mandated border of Lebanon and occupies NO PART of that nation. Full stop.
Bull. I used to respect Amnesty International until in placed the right to abortion, without restriction, criminal penalty, or economic impediment.. under the aegis of 'reproductive' or 'women's' rights.. as a central plank in its mission.
Now i know they support the same radically relativistic, individualistic, 'humanistic' (read that: 'post religious') ethos that is plunging the West into despair and dissolution. I don't trust anything they say, now.
As for Israel and Palestine, i have simply given up on casting blame on either side. This has gone on for millenia, one provisional occupation after another, using any brutal means to sustain its rule, in a land that sheds all permanent claims.
Israel should take note that none has ever lasted, and its claim to divine providence and destiny is not new either. Its time will come, the worm will turn.
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The Sheba Farms, a small tract of land in the north of Israel, is Lebanese territory, according to an expert UN cartographer, Israel Radio reported Wednesday, quoting an unnamed official in Jerusalem.
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AI regarding abortion:
As a result you don't trust them? I can't follow that reasoning. Are you saying that their position regarding abortion indicates that they are untruthful and deceptive? Or just because you disagree with them on a single issue, you consider everything they report to be lies and misinformation. That defies common sense. Why can't you consider what they report to be objective despite your disgreement with them regarding abortion?
It may seem like a millenia, but this area was a peaceful part of the Ottoman rule for 400 years. That changed after WW I when the British took control. As Zionist Jews immigrated to this area, they displaced the local people. Sometimes legally through land purchases, sometimes illegally by violence. Jewish refugees fleeing the horrors of Nazi Europe accelerated the process. By the end of WW II, Palestinians were surrounded by hostile armed immigrants. The sporadic violence became an ethnic cleansing war in 1947-48 and the area has been in constant state of war ever since.
Now its the Palestinians who suffer horrifically. Most live in refugee camps outside Palestine or concentration camps inside Israel and the occupied territories. Gaza now resembles the Warsaw Ghetto:
The email was based on this adbusters article:
WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES
https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/83/gaza.html?page=4
The situation and images from both Gaza 2009 and Warsaw 1940 are disturbingly similar.
Even officials from the Vatican are calling Gaza a concentration camp.
Concentration Camp:
- A camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined, typically under harsh conditions.
- A place or situation characterized by extremely harsh conditions.
International Committee of the Red Cross
June 2009
Gaza: 1.5 million people trapped in despair
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Ahhh yes, the denier speaks with the voice of Hezbollah.
Are we suprized???
First of all, the Shebaa Farms is a very small area, hardly worth thousands of deaths.
Secondly, the UN has affirmed and verified Israel's FULL withdrawal from Lebanon.
Thirdly, and most importantly.....the Shebaa Farms were NEVER part of Lebanon, they were part of SYRIA!!!!!
Try and get you facts straight....
And I know you are disappointed, but the Jews have learned their lesson, and are never again going to peaceably line up for their own murder. Deal with it.
...according to an expert UN cartographer (does this cartie have a name?)
...quoting an unnamed official
You give that credibility?
According to a friend, the Volkswagen came with a 426 street hemi.....
I remember it well. The venerable Volkswagen 426. It was a little heavy in the rear and as I recall it had serious oversteer problems. Under maximum acceleration the front wheels would lift off the ground giving you major control problems...:lol::roll:
...but, by gar, if you could launch her equal on both sides couldn't she squash a Cobra.....
She sure could. That car did well in races but I think it was a matter of other drivers just getting the hell out of the way..;-)
Can yer blames 'em? Car's shaped like a wing - and would fly too if all the beef weren't on the trailing edge
Back to our program.....
This specific issue is one that goes to the core of moral principle. I won't support them because by defining abortion, the killing of the most vulnerable of our society, under a contrived rationale of 'reproductive rights', they have lost all integrity and consistency in their humane advocacy.
No it is Millenia. Greater Israel's claims go back the Conquests of King David, with it brutal genocide against other claimants to the lands on either side of the Jordon. The Ottoman Turks had their own reputation for brutality in retaining control of their empire, which finally collapsed from internal corruption and Western (specifically Anglo American) aspirations and designs for the the oil resources of the Middle East. The incorporation of the State of Israel in 1948, is the latest, and will not be the last, in the claimants to the Holy Land as their's and their's alone.
I'm sure that was an accident.
People say "Never Again!" regarding the holocaust and other genocidal events. But what's going on in Israel and the occupied territories isn't that diffferent from these other events. By ignoring the suffering of millions of Palestinians, we aren't that different from Germans during the 1930's who knew what was happening to their Jewish neighbors and did nothing. Its not that different from ignoring what happened in Rwanda during the 1990's. It barely made the news at the time and for the most part people ignored it. It wasn't until after the tragedy ran its course and having an opinion didn't make a difference, that people became outraged. Its just like ignoring what's going on in Darfur.
When these horrific events happen, we consistently ignore them at the time. Its only years later, when it becomes trendy to be outraged, long after it ceases to be relevant that people say "Never Again!"
In the case of Rwanda and Darfur, Canadians for the most part are at least sympathetic to the suffering and opposed to those who commit war crimes and crimes against humanity.
But this conflict is different. Canada's PM has expressed our unshakable support for Israel. I think its important to know what we are supporting.
Just 9 months ago:
The above report more or less confirms everything reported by Amnesty International earlier this year:
Amnesty International
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/a...a74-4853-860f-0563725e633a/mde150152009en.pdf
And it hasn't stopped. Millions of Palestinians continue to suffer Canadian supported oppression and injustice. With the full support of our government, Israel denies food, clean water, medicine and building materials to 1.4 million people. As a result these people suffer disease and malnutrition as reported recently by the Red Cross:
http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/palestine-report-260609
Until Harper became PM, Canada's leaders tried to maintain at least an appearance of neutrality. But now our country supports whatever Israel does. When they commit horrendous war crimes, our news and leaders don't say a word. When Canadians learn about these horrendous war crimes, we react much the same way as Germans did during the 1930's. We pretend it isn't happening, put it out of our minds by talking about the trivial.
Each day, fewer and fewer people are buying what Israel is selling. Eventually Israel's cruelty will be seen clearly. Probably long after it ceases to make a difference. People will claim to be shocked and outraged.
But anyone who reads this post won't be able to claim ignorance....
Could it be that people just don't see the situation your way, most of us see Israel as a tiny nation in the middle of millions of people trying to rub her off the map. Israel is just defending herself, no differently than those trying to kill her. Israel's retaliation is no more or no less than her enemies, just more accurate. Amnesty International has never been on the side of Israel from the beginning.
Israel: UN war crimes probe gives legitimacy to Hamas terror.
"A UN investigation led by former South African judge Richard Goldstone accused Israel of "war crimes and possible crimes against humanity" in its 33-day Gaza Strip campaign against Hamas which ended late January."
DEBKAfile - Israel: UN war crimes probe gives legitimacy to Hamas terror
The investigators had Israel accused and convicted before they left. Why do people forget that Palestinians fired missiles into Israel for eight years before Israel struck Gaza.
From another reliable source like A.I.
You believe Israel has been unfairly accused of war crimes. OK, lets look at individual events from these reports.
Here is one example of Israel using civilians as human shields:
Please defend Israel's use of starving children restrained in stress positions next to a tank while it engages the enemy. The UN report classifies this action as a war crime. Do you believe that is an unfair assessment? If so please defend this practice. Should all nations be allowed to treat children this way or just Israel?
An example of Israel using chemical weapons against children:
The UN judged that Israel's use of White Phosphorus against civilians was a war crime. How do you feel about burning children alive with chemical weapons? Is that a war crime?
I think crowding 100 men, women and children into a small building and then exterminating them is a war crime. Would you please defend Israel's actions in this case.
We can also go through all the well documented cases where Israeli soldiers gunned down unarmed women and children fleeing for their lives as they carried white flags.
If you can't defend these actions then please admit the above are examples of war crimes.
If you like we can go through every case. There are several hundred more documented incidents just like the above which are the basis of UN and Amnesty International assertions that Israel committed war crimes nine months ago.
I'll even help you. You can read testimonies of Israeli soldiers from this operation here:
http://www.shovrimshtika.org/oferet/testimonies_category_e.asp
The impression I got from their testimonies is that they came to Gaza ready for a fight and encountered little to no resistance. After a few days of boredom and watching Israeli planes blow stuff up from a distance they became bored and starting randomly blowing stuff up and killing people to pass the time.
For example:
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