The Brutal Truth About America's Healthcare

TenPenny

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'Rich' people will go where they think the care is the best. Whether it is or not, that's another question entirely.

I have a friend who works for one of Canada's richest families - when he developed major health problems, they flew him, and his wife, on the corporate jet, to Boston to go to the Mayo Clinic. Several times.
 

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Very good question.

Besides, the article is silly. The poor get outstanding healthcare, the best there is. The people who don't are the working folks that are self employed. Those are the ones that have a tough time paying and at times simply do not pay. People who are on welfare are fully insured by the state. Heck they take ambulances to the hospital for a cold as they do not have to pay and why pay a cab or take the bus when you can get a free ride.


Seems these foreigners here will never understand that statement. Well said.
 

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The most amazing thing is that about a weeks worth of military waste would go a long way towards covering health care costs for the entire country.
Eagle Smack: We all know about Belinda's care in the US. Our system is certainly not perfect but at least we are all entitled to wait the same time for treatment regardless of income. I don't know why anyone in Canada would look to the US for cures to our system when there are many better ones around the world. Only reason I can think of is scare tactics by socialists (AKA government employees union) to keep the status quo.
BTW What is a blue DEM? Sounds like someone with their nuts in a vice.
 

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Heck they take ambulances to the hospital for a cold as they do not have to pay and why pay a cab or take the bus when you can get a free ride.

I've known of people on welfare (sorry, social assistance) here in NB who take an Ambulance to the hospital so they can do their shopping.
 

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Eagle Smack: We all know about Belinda's care in the US. Our system is certainly not perfect but at least we are all entitled to wait the same time for treatment regardless of income..

All in America are entitled as well. They do not refuse health care to anyone. The thing is that if you are not insured and need treatment you get a big bill. The uninsured are responsible for payment. The poor and people here illegally pay absolutely nothing.

I know because I was in the shoes of the uninsured and had to be hospitalized. I had a job but was not there long enough to be covered fully. In short I was treated but had to pay. Fortunately the company did pay it for me eventually but not before getting a whopping bill in the mail. If I was on welfare it would never had been a problem.
 

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This is why we voted for Obama and the Democrats last November and gave them the largest landslide victory in history.

You have an awry view of history if you honestly believe such statements. It was Reagan who achieved office after the largest electoral landslide in history (a total of 525). Second to that is Richard Nixon with 520 electoral votes in 1972. But this falls on deaf ears when I'm speaking to someone who exonerates any left wing rhetoric, no matter how farcical it is. Maybe it's no coincidence that your intellectual awareness matches that of your ID.

We all know about Belinda's care in the US. Our system is certainly not perfect but at least we are all entitled to wait the same time for treatment regardless of income. I don't know why anyone in Canada would look to the US for cures to our system when there are many better ones around the world. Only reason I can think of is scare tactics by socialists (AKA government employees union) to keep the status quo.
Although the health care system in Canada has a potential structure, it's a mess. Half of the hospitals have insufficient equipment needed to diagnose or treat patients, which logically raises the waiting times on existing equipment drastically. If you look at the waiting periods of Ontario (which holds the shortest waiting times from visiting a general practitioner and receiving treatment) the average patient will have to wait 15 weeks. And that's assuming you're not an outlier. That's why some just screw the system, go to America and three days later receive the treatment they need. Assuming you have the money of course.
 
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You have an awry view of history if you honestly believe such statements. It was Reagan who achieved office after the largest electoral landslide in history (a total of 525). Second to that is Richard Nixon with 520 electoral votes in 1972. But this falls on deaf ears when I'm speaking to someone who exonerates any left wing rhetoric, no matter how farcical it is. Maybe it's no coincidence that your intellectual awareness matches that of your ID.

Of course he believes it! It doesn't matter at all if it is fabricated for the Obama lovers. Obama is the leading scorer in the NBA, quarterbacked three separate teams to 3 consecutive superbowl wins, won the MOH, and cured many diseases as well.
 

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''This poll was sponsored by the AARP who so far up O'Bama's a s s they're almost crawling out of his mouth.''


And they are the USA's largest senior advocacy group meaning that it represents a huge portion of the population, unlike the fox network liars.
 

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''How many of these people are US citizens?''


How many are foreign (if any)?

When Yanks are in the UK they have been known to get treatment. You may not like what the article teaches but it sure as hell is the truth.


 

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Canadians bristle over U.S. health care rhetoric

As reform shines spotlight on Canada, northern neighbors get defensive


Canadians bristle over U.S. health care rhetoric - Health care- msnbc.com


''"It's one of the best systems in the world. Everyone is guaranteed health care and it does not matter if you're rich or poor or what your medical condition is — you will be seen and provided health care. How can you argue with that?" ... "I think there's a lot that the U.S. could learn from Canada." ''
 

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Government Healthcare...must be bad right?

A story about government run health care.



Yesterday, I took the kids to the doctor for their school physicals. I wouldn't normally subject you to an account of the day-to-day minutia of my personal life, but given the current debate about how we should handle health care in the United States, the details might be of interest.

We arrived - without an appointment - at a medical facility that we had not been to before. We did not have medical records with us, and the only paperwork of any kind that we had brought were the forms that needed to be filled out to enroll the kids in sports programs. When we checked in, the only thing I had to do was hand the clerk a government-issued photo ID. I did not have to fill out any insurance forms, I did not have to hand over any payment of any kind, and I didn't touch a clipboard. Within two hours, both the children had been seen by a doctor, received physical exams, had their shot records checked and brought up to date where necessary, and I'd been given the completed school and sports forms.

That's not fiction, and it's not a prediction of what could happen in the future. That happened yesterday, it happened in the United States, and it happened in a health care system that's owned and operated by the Federal Government.

That's right. I got to use the dreaded socialized medicine yesterday, because I've got access to the Department of Defense's medical system.

We didn't have to fill out forms yesterday because all the paperwork that needed to be done to switch our primary care doctor from one in Florida to one in Alabama was done when my wife checked in to her new assignment. We didn't need to bring records, because both facilities have access to the same electronic system. All that the clinic needed to access the records was my wife's information.

The no appointment thing wasn't an everyday occurrence. The military, like most health care providers, normally requires appointments for routine care. Yesterday was different because the people who run the local primary care clinic are familiar with the military lifestyle. They know that lots of families move around every summer, and that there will be a lot of people who are new to the area and need school and sports physicals this time of year. To address the demand, they set up a few days before school starts to do physical exams on a first-come, first-served basis.

Yesterday was one of those days. The primary care clinic has, I would guess, about 10 providers. They handled over 100 kids in the first two hours, and they did so with both courtesy and efficiency. They had planned ahead, and borrowed a couple of extra medics to run extra waiting areas so that the clinic wouldn't be flooded with people. They had several people available to run the eye charts, several more doing heights and weights, and good people making sure that the paperwork was being handled correctly throughout the process.

I would probably be the last person on the planet to claim that the military health care system is perfect. It's not. Different clinics in the system have different bosses, different patient loads, and different ways of doing things. In other places, we've been assigned to clinics that were not quite as focused on customer satisfaction as this one seems to be, and we know people who have had some truly bad experiences. All in all, though, we're very happy with the military's health care, so we continue to use it.

We don't have to. We choose to. We have other options. The military, through the Tricare program, allows you to choose a civilian primary care doctor, and the year we lived in Texas we did just that. Unless we have to, we probably won't again. It's not as convenient, and the care doesn't seem to be any better.

There are certainly reasons to be concerned about the effects of going to a single-payer health care system in this country, and there are certainly very good reasons to make sure that whatever changes we make are well-thought out, well-planned, well-executed, and (most importantly) well-funded. There are also legitimate ideological reasons to oppose a system that would have the government do something that private industry could do. But arguing that the government simply cannot provide high quality health care and good customer service is just factually wrong.

Anyone who argues otherwise just isn't giving the military enough credit.
 

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Nothing at all wrong with Tricare, the Tricare insurance company itself is not part of the goverment, but the Tricare program is a federally funded healthcare program. It works great so why would anyone want to change it to something less?
 

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Lets start with a basic concept. Why should a healthcare, national health system be free anyway if you workd, your employer should pay a large percentage if not all of your healthcare. Of course it will become part of your salary package. You get what you pay for, I can envision the quality of doctors going down, doctor shortages as well as shortages of support staff like nurses etc. What do we have here, a couple of nations who want everything handed to them. Some say the goverment can pay for my health and welfare, well who pays the goverment and what kind of support staff will be needed to support our freebies. Canada ranking #30 and the U.S. being #37 is nothing to be proud of. If this were a race, we both would be losers. Any medical system can be fixed, all we have to is identify the systems shortfalls and correct them. Doing this should not put a undo burden on anybody.
 
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Canadians bristle over U.S. health care rhetoric

As reform shines spotlight on Canada, northern neighbors get defensive


Canadians bristle over U.S. health care rhetoric - Health care- msnbc.com


''"It's one of the best systems in the world. Everyone is guaranteed health care and it does not matter if you're rich or poor or what your medical condition is — you will be seen and provided health care. How can you argue with that?" ... "I think there's a lot that the U.S. could learn from Canada." ''
.... and vice versa, BUT there are other countries we BOTH could learn even more from.
 

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Lets start with a basic concept. Why should a healthcare, national health system be free anyway if you workd, your employer should pay a large percentage if not all of your healthcare. Of course it will become part of your salary package. You get what you pay for, I can envision the quality of doctors going down, doctor shortages as well as shortages of support staff like nurses etc. What do we have here, a couple of nations who want everything handed to them. Some say the goverment can pay for my health and welfare, well who pays the goverment and what kind of support staff will be needed to support our freebies. Canada ranking #30 and the U.S. being #37 is nothing to be proud of. If this were a race, we both would be losers. Any medical system can be fixed, all we have to is identify the systems shortfalls and correct them. Doing this should not put a undo burden on anybody.
You got that nail dead center. :)
 

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The $2.7 Trillion Medical Bill

Colonoscopies Explain Why U.S. Leads the World in Health Expenditures



Deirdre Yapalater’s recent colonoscopy at a surgical center near her home here on Long Island went smoothly: she was whisked from pre-op to an operating room where a gastroenterologist, assisted by an anesthesiologist and a nurse, performed the routine cancer screening procedure in less than an hour. The test, which found nothing worrisome, racked up what is likely her most expensive medical bill of the year: $6,385.

That is fairly typical: in Keene, N.H., Matt Meyer’s colonoscopy was billed at $7,563.56. Maggie Christ of Chappaqua, N.Y., received $9,142.84 in bills for the procedure. In Durham, N.C., the charges for Curtiss Devereux came to $19,438, which included a polyp removal. While their insurers negotiated down the price, the final tab for each test was more than $3,500.

“Could that be right?” said Ms. Yapalater, stunned by charges on the statement on her dining room table. Although her insurer covered the procedure and she paid nothing, her health care costs still bite: Her premium payments jumped 10 percent last year, and rising co-payments and deductibles are straining the finances of her middle-class family, with its mission-style house in the suburbs and two S.U.V.’s parked outside. “You keep thinking it’s free,” she said. “We call it free, but of course it’s not.”

In many other developed countries, a basic colonoscopy costs just a few hundred dollars and certainly well under $1,000.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/h...ds-the-world-in-health-expenditures.html?_r=0
 

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Now the Congress will break us up into 1 of 3 societal groups. 1. The Congress which is exempt from all of the provisions. 2. Those who can afford to make the payments demanded AND 3. Those who cannot and will probably die in a state run Poor House and be internerned in a Potters Field.
 

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Contrary to forum right wing delusionalism, Obamacare works:


New healthcare model cut even more costs in year two: insurer



New healthcare model cut even more costs in year two: insurer




The nation's largest experiment in delivering medical care in an innovative way has reduced costs and improved the quality of care even more in its second year than in its first, according to the insurance company behind it.
The nonprofit CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield launched its "Patient-Centered Medical Home" program in January 2011 among primary-care providers serving about one-third of its 3.4 million members in Maryland, Washington, D.C., and northern Virginia.
Like other "accountable care organizations" (ACOs), which are centerpieces of President Barack Obama's healthcare reform, the medical home program ties insurance payments to healthcare providers to the quality of care they deliver.
On Thursday, CareFirst reported cost savings of $98 million for the medical home program in 2012
 

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I have read of many doctors and nurses who have moved from Britain to the US and worked in the American healthcare system and they are often shocked by the outdated medical equipment still in use in American hospitals.

Despite what some ignorant Americans believe, Britain's NHS - set up in the aftermath of WWII it is the largest and oldest single-payer healthcare system in the world and the world's third-biggest employer after the Chinese Army and the Indian railways with over 1 million employees in England alone, as well as in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - is the best health system in the world and far superior to that which people have in the US. And not only that, but it's FREE. In Britain I can get the best medical treatment in the world and not have to pay for it. And when people ask any Briton to name things which make them proud to be British the NHS is always on that list. It was also celebrated during the London Olympics opening ceremony last year.

British and Swiss health services are the best in the world



The Commonwealth Fund survey consistently ranks the NHS highly on a range of measures looking at how health systems deal with people with chronic and serious illness.

It finds people in Britain have among the fastest access to GPs, the best co-ordinated care, and suffer from the among the fewest medical errors, of 11 high income countries surveyed.

The countries examined were: the UK, France, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

Britain and Switzerland were consistently among the best performers, found the analysis of answers from over 18,000 adults with chronic and serious illness.

For example, the Washington DC based organisation reported: "UK and Swiss patients reported more positive health care experiences than sicker adults in the other countries: they were more likely to be able to get a same- or next-day appointment when sick and to have easy access to after-hours care, and they were less likely to experience poorly coordinated care."

The success of the NHS stands out despite the fact that per capita health spending in the UK is the third lowest of the 11, at £2,170 per head, compared with £3,200 in Switzerland and £4,950 in the US.

The Commonwealth Fund is a private foundation which claims to support "independent research on health policy reform".

However, it is widely seen in the US as being strongly in favour of President Obama's health reforms.

Today's report is highly critical of current US healthcare. Karen Davis, its president, says the country "practically stands alone when it comes to people with illness or chronic conditions having difficulty affording health care and paying medical bills".

A spokesman for the Royal College of General Practitioners said the survey "shows yet again that the excellent work carried out by GPs in the UK is recognised worldwide, leading the field in ease of access, coordinated care and good patient doctor relationships".

NHS 'among best health care systems in the world' - Telegraph
 
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