Toronto Belongs To The Indians

[bobnoorduyn]

For over a hundred years BC has existed without treaties. Everybody in BC is squatting on native land except for one or two small treaties that were signed with one or two small bands back in the beginning.

You kind of answered the problem right there. Depending on the province, say Ontario, if you live on the land and treat it as yours for ten years without dispute, you may have a case to actually evict the deeded owner. It's called squatters' rights. In the UK it is even easier, folks have come home from vacation only to find squatters in their home, legally.

To protect your property you have to defend it vigilantly or it will be taken, this is the way it has been worldwide for time immemorial; so why are some folks suddenly so special? If that were the case myself and millions of others would have valid claims against other governmetns or countries that kicked our forefathers off their ancestral lands.

We cannot have a peacful existance with different people living under different laws based on ethnicity within the same country as we do now. We can see the chaos it has already caused. Native land may have been take illegally, I wasn't there, neither were any of you, so now the suggestion is to take other peoples' property illegally and give back to people who never owned it in the first place. I don't see that as going down too well.

 

[Machjo]

According to this:

Atleo sets an example for Indian education reform - The Globe and Mail

The feds also fund Indian schools more poorly than provincial governments do by about 1000$ per student!

 

[Machjo]

The myth of 'free' education - Winnipeg Free Press

 

[bobnoorduyn]

No kidding you should be rolling your eyes.

First the bloated MIA take nearly 50% for administering to the First Nation, then the province takes a chunk, then on average any given Native would only recieve around 4500CDN in services/year.

I think you forgot to mention the local level of government, which also has to take its share before the money hits the street. Governments, all governments, are hungry beasts, which is why tax freedom day comes in July. Over half of what we earn is taxed away.

 

[gerryh]

The myth of 'free' education - Winnipeg Free Press

oped with no supporting documentation...... no more than Bear shooting of his mouth.

 

[gerryh]

According to this:

Atleo sets an example for Indian education reform - The Globe and Mail

The feds also fund Indian schools more poorly than provincial governments do by about 1000$ per student!

another oped....

 

[#juan]

No kidding you should be rolling your eyes.

First the bloated MIA take nearly 50% for administering to the First Nation, then the province takes a chunk, then on average any given Native would only recieve around 4500CDN in services/year.

As I have proven to you time and time again.

You continued ignorance to the facts, is willful and thus must be based on bigotry or racism.

Think carefully before you bitch at me about making that claim of you. It wasn't based on disagreement, it is based solely on your willfully ignoring fact to further your contempt for the Native community.

Bull, Bull, & bull.

Bitch at you? I didn't talk to you. I also didn't say the natives received that money. The money goes to the DNIA and a good part of it is wasted there.
The longer we keep native Canadians on the public teat, the worse it will be, but I've also said that many times on these boards over the last few years but you prefer to play the stupid race card. A person doesn't have to be a racist to be tired of his/her money being thrown away for years with no good result.

 

[pgs]

Bull, Bull, & bull.

Bitch at you? I didn't talk to you. I also didn't say the natives received that money. The money goes to the DNIA and a good part of it is wasted there.
The longer we keep native Canadians on the public teat, the worse it will be, but I've also said that many times on these boards over the last few years but you prefer to play the stupid race card. A person doesn't have to be a racist to be tired of his/her money being thrown away for years with no good result.

Hear hear!
Right on Juan.

 

[Machjo]

I think one thing would be to find a way to get that money from the top to the bottom without getting skimmed from at ever step of the way. It might also involve not giving the money directly, but rather in the form of services in some cases if there is a concern for the money being misused.

Or a simple solution might be to try to introduce more grassroots participation in the process so as to prevent the leaders siffoning off that money. Because if we're giving that much money and most First Nations aren't benefitting from it, it must be going somewhere.

 

[gerryh]

I have an idea....how about we just stop enabling.

 

[AnnaG]

aawwww Those poor people at the center of the universe.:roll: I guess they'll have to rely on the good naure of the courts then, huh? That's more than the "Indians" could rely on.

 

[AnnaG]

Thats alright Liberal man.
Here in B.C. the native land claims account for over 100% of the province.

I think it's 114%. And that's a result of the aboriginals not having any set borders. Nifty, huh? lol

 

[AnnaG]

I think one thing would be to find a way to get that money from the top to the bottom without getting skimmed from at ever step of the way. It might also involve not giving the money directly, but rather in the form of services in some cases if there is a concern for the money being misused.

Or a simple solution might be to try to introduce more grassroots participation in the process so as to prevent the leaders siffoning off that money. Because if we're giving that much money and most First Nations aren't benefitting from it, it must be going somewhere.

Yup. There's a few biting off a chunk of it before it gets to where it's supposed to go. Just ask Ron Derrickson from the rez near Kelowna.

 

[AnnaG]

First Nation students and their post-secondary institutions are under funded | Media.Knet.Ca

http://www.afn.ca/cmslib/general/Federal-Government-Funding-to-First-Nations.pdf

Report - The Funding Requirement for First Nations Schools in Canada (May 2009) | Media.Knet.Ca

If you don't like the sources of those facts, look in Backgrounder - The Government of Canada's Investments in Community Infrastructure for First Nations - Indian and Northern Affairs Canada

 

[Cliffy]

I have an idea....how about we just stop enabling.

It appears that the ones being enabled are government employees. If the majority is skimmed off by bureaucrats of every level, then I think all this angst about natives is a little misplaced. If you really want to do something constructive, learn how you can withhold paying taxes. If you are willingly giving your money to bureaucrats who spend it in ways you don't approve, who is to blame?

 

[Cliffy]

so now the suggestion is to take other peoples' property illegally and give back to people who never owned it in the first place. I don't see that as going down too well.

In BC private land is not on the treaty table, only Crown land. So in spite of overlapping claims, there is still less than 100% available. Even if a territory claimed is acknowledged, they still only have rights to a royalty on resources extracted in that territory. They may get some of that land to use for living but they will still get less than they used in the past.

 

[Cliffy]

Yup. There's a few biting off a chunk of it before it gets to where it's supposed to go. Just ask Ron Derrickson from the rez near Kelowna.

The cheif now is a Louis but Derrickson is still on council as far as I know. The West Bank band is claiming New Denver because Derrickson claims his grandmother lived there. If she did then she was probably Sinixt or was married to one. The West Bank band has leased almost all of their rez to big business and want to move their people to the New Denver area because they have no place on the rez for residences, thus the phony claim.

 

[AnnaG]

The cheif now is a Louis but Derrickson is still on council as far as I know. The West Bank band is claiming New Denver because Derrickson claims his grandmother lived there. If she did then she was probably Sinixt or was married to one. The West Bank band has leased almost all of their rez to big business and want to move their people to the New Denver area because they have no place on the rez for residences, thus the phony claim.

I know the story. It's why I mentioned his name. The guy is as crooked as a snake with multiple spinal fractures.

 

[Cliffy]

I know the story. It's why I mentioned his name. The guy is as crooked as a snake with multiple spinal fractures.

You are one of the few people who do.

 

[VanIsle]

Only if you can prove your proprietary rights.

What do you mean Bear? That it belonged to my Gramma? That wouldn't be hard. Actually, after my grandparents died it was passed onto my Mom and her 6 siblings. All of them are dead now. I even know the people who own it now (unless they've sold and moved but since they have lived in the town since I was a kid I assume they still live there. At the time my very foolish Uncle sold the poperty it even had full power. We have an old map of the area - a very old map. It identified things via property owners along with known landmarks. It has the ranch well marked.