What's that got to do with your god allowing the suffering of innocents?
The authority on God is the Bible. First, since all children are considered to be children of Eve then they are born into sin. That sin has to be forgiven before rewards can be dispersed. Explain to me how God is responsible for the deaths by starvation alone of more than 25,000 'children'. The responsibility was left to the Governments of the World, during His absence. That is the same people responsible (in that they could prevent hunger) is it not. Proof can be found in the comments of the politicians. One politician from (shown in actual article) blames the 'food shortage' as the result of India's people wanted more than one meal a day. (not sit around and do nothing, but hold down a western-style job and still require only one meal/day. The same politicians can be seen at 12 course meals on an almost daily basis. There is even a set of verses that describes the 'reward' for those 'shepherds' who care nothing for the flock compared to supplying their own wants and needs.
Death from starvation is only one of the ways that should not exist today. Death cannot be prevented, delay it a little bit is all we can do.
But, I am against the death penalty except in special circumstances. So I don't need to look around for links.
How about prison? In the OT they did not build prisons. A wrong against another person could put you into material bondage until that debt was worked off through wages. No debt could be more than 7 years in length. Being killed by stoning was the way some people were put into prison, the only escape proof place they had. Today a life-sentence should provide the same 'protection to society'. It doesn't.
If your god were real, would it be more sensible to have compassion for its children than be indifferent toward their suffering?
If these things are happening in the (ie 3rd chapter) and God's appearance was with the strength to combat that is not mentioned until (ie 5th chapter) then why should it be God that combats those things. For 2,000 years it has been man's duty to solve things like that.
Scripture never says it will prevent the shedding of tears, only that it will make amends for the reason those tears were shed in the first place.
I'm not sure anybody can say with all determination that the sea mentioned here is not made of tears. The 'ruler of that place' could certainly cause more than a few to be shed.
Re:17:15:
And he saith unto me,
The waters which thou sawest,
where the ***** sitteth,
are peoples,
and multitudes,
and nations,
and tongues.
You have to remember that people's deaths are important to them, and so they should be a concern for your god (as it is all-powerful, all-knowing, all-seeing, and all-loving).
Important only until the moment of death, after that..not so important to that particular person. The ones who feel grief are among the living.
That He restores that (all manners of death undone) is an indication of what type of behaviour? (ie you send your children to their rooms for 1 hour..at the end of that one hour you open the doors, as promised) A corrupt rendering would be forgetting to open the door at the appointed time.
In this example, you know a thief is coming and he is interested in the ones who 'can believe lies'. If they were wandering around the house some would not be their when the thief was expelled from the house. To keep them safe you could send them to their rooms for safe keeping. What type of parenting would that be, could it be called 'loving' even though it involved some being 'sent away (from the 'living room') before the thief showed up.
God is the author of Scripture, I doubt any of us will be pointing out things to Him that 'are new'.
If this thing exists, it is quite apparent that it is indifferent as to what happens on this planet. Suffering, whether deserved or not, is not a concern. That's one of the concepts of a type of agnosticism.
At the moment He is only building memories. In the progression of the way He seems to have this 'resolved' is that instead of stopping and holding court each and every time some 'sin' is committed, everything will 'be noted' and brought up at the usual time for dealing with the vents of the 'past day'. All grievences at one single time.
One of His very first acts after the return is to made the Dead Sea into a fresh water pond with only the marshes being left salty. Is that bragging or simple putting His act as well past what man can do?
Another is that we simply can't know about gods, so discussing them is simply intellectual exercise.
Using Scripture is more in line with the 'matter of factness about some upcoming events' rather than with the abstract of God Himself.
Did He know that Satan would cause death through a lie? It could have been considered as one of the possible paths that was from point A to point B.
If Adam and Eve were already alive then was the tree of life the cure for 'death' (known to occur if eating from the other tree).
Following that sort of thinking is just an exercise. Reading Isa:65 with the pre-tought that it is a chapter wher some are simply gathered before the 'other group'. That is more definitive in that it should have but one single meaning. Finding all the other relevent verses to that particular subject is how you add even more detail. In this case Hebrews 12 is when those numbered to the sword are redeemed to life.
lol I know what chastise means.
That saves us some time lol. Without sin there would be reason for grace or mercy to exist?
Bad consequences or not, there are enough laws in the 7 deadly sins and the commandments that the suffering of children shouldn't be needed to produce those that do bad things to result in "bad consequences".
We have fed time in our prisons 2ys+day, we also have some laws that demand a sentence of not less than 7 years.
In the sins about God alone the penality is death in the flesh. The breath of life will depart. That event pays the price of those sins, and many others no doubt. Once Adam ate then death was assured for everybody. Genesis says God's spirit will be with man for 120 years, at that time he would be normally judged on if he was a sinner or not. Death if he was, going on in life if he was not, known as an 'old man'. So by God introducing Laws that hastened that day to something less than the full 120 is that a good/bad/doesn't really matter thing?
When retrieved from the grave no past sins are still attached, except in very rare conditions. You aren't Angelic so don't speculate.
So this god of love either isn't full of love or is indifferent. If it exists, it's not a completely good god. But that would make it no better and no worse than John and Jane Doe.
He will do things that may not appear kind until right near the end of the book. He at least told us that many deaths caused after the Exodus were done simple to impress the men of Israel to follow and obey because in wars this God could not be defeated. Nor were His methods 'normal warfare'.
2Ki:19:35:
And it came to pass that night,
that the angel of the LORD went out,
and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand:
and when they arose early in the morning,
behold,
they were all dead corpses.
As it stand those same ones are still dead, if they are alive to see Re:21 & 22 unfold has God been totally unkind to them? If mercy is to be granted to people alive today should not these ones also be entitled to that same brand of mercy, even more so as God was the actual cause of their deaths.
