...And a Goat stretched out & wired on a spit looks like a Greyhound, but it's still a Goat.:lol:
Is dog flesh for food illegal in Canada?
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Dogs raised for food are grain fed in pens like hogs. Dogs and hogs are both intelligent animals and both can be pets or food. I've never eaten dog meat, but I see the practice as similar to eating pork. BTW, I just had pork for lunch.
If I was in Korea and offered dog meat, I would probably eat it, otherwise I'd be a hypocrite. The only people in my opinion who wouldn't be hypocritical refusing dog meat are vegetarians or at least people who don't eat pork.
Dog is a popular dish in Korea.
Dispute Over Dog Meat Heats Up
Untitled Document
Recipes and links to pictures of dog cuisine:
http://wolf.ok.ac.kr/~annyg/english/e5.htm
If I was in Korea and offered dog meat, I would probably eat it, otherwise I'd be a hypocrite. The only people in my opinion who wouldn't be hypocritical refusing dog meat are vegetarians or at least people who don't eat pork.
Dog is a popular dish in Korea.
Dispute Over Dog Meat Heats Up
Untitled Document
Recipes and links to pictures of dog cuisine:
http://wolf.ok.ac.kr/~annyg/english/e5.htm
It is all a matter of perspective, YJ. In India many people feel that eating beef is a tiny notch below cannibalism. Muslims and Jews frown on eating pig.
They do that because of religious reason. People in the West frown on eating dog because they make such good pets. It is all a matter of what one is used to.
I remember they showed a news feature from South India a while ago on CNN. People were having trouble with the mice. In one village, the poor people offered to get rid of the mice. They didn’t need any fee for that. When they found mice, invariably they found rice grains in it, grain which the mice had purloined. And of course they ate the mice as well, so they got a full dinner out of it.
Of course you can't be bothered. There is nothing that backs up these "throw away remarks" as you call them when someone points out that you don't know what your talking about. No need to get all flustered and upset over it. Simply quit making up stories and calling them facts, then opinions then throw away remarks and people will stop calling you on your bull
I note unforgiven, that nowhere here you claim to be a doctor or a heart specialist. I really was under the impression that you are a cardiovascular specialist, to make such an authoritative statement that urine has no beneficial properties. That is why I was willing to defer to your views.
But since apparently you don’t seem to be a Cardiovascular Surgeon or anything like that, well, you don’t know any more about it than I do. So I stand by my opinion that urine has beneficial properties (at least that was the thought 20 years ago) and urine extract was used in heart medicine more than 20 years ago.
As to proving it to you, I don’t have to prove anything to you, believe it or not as you will.
I note unforgiven, that nowhere here you claim to be a doctor or a heart specialist. I really was under the impression that you are a cardiovascular specialist, to make such an authoritative statement that urine has no beneficial properties. That is why I was willing to defer to your views.
But since apparently you don’t seem to be a Cardiovascular Surgeon or anything like that, well, you don’t know any more about it than I do. So I stand by my opinion that urine has beneficial properties (at least that was the thought 20 years ago) and urine extract was used in heart medicine more than 20 years ago.
As to proving it to you, I don’t have to prove anything to you, believe it or not as you will.
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I can understand that Anna, and if I owned a pet (I don’t) I won’t eat him either. However if you were served a dog steak in a restaurant, properly prepared and served, would you eat it? I would.
Unforgiven, I have found the information for you about urine (it was surprizingly easy to find). Before I give the weblinks, it is clear to me that you know very little about urine (perhaps the only facts you know are that it is a waste product and that anybody who mentions the word ‘urine’ is a pervert). Well, my wife is a doctor, I know a little bit about urine. let me enlighten you.
Urine is a waste product, of course. However, the remarkable fact about urine is that it is totally sterile. The urine of a normal, healthy person is totally germ free. I am not sure, but urine maybe the only fluid produced by human body that is completely germ free. The saliva of a normal, healthy person is loaded with germs. So theoretically it is safer to drink urine than to kiss somebody, kissing involves transfer of germs.
So when Mr. Desai, the former PM of India used to drink his own urine, he was not putting himself at any risk. Urine contains a chemical called urea, which can be harmful to human body in large quantities.
In the old days, before sterilization was readily available, they used to use urine to sterilize the wound. If you wanted to sterilize the wound, you pissed on it (or got somebody else to do it).
Urine is a remarkable fluid. In the next post I will describe some of the medicinal applications of urine extract.
Urine is a waste product, of course. However, the remarkable fact about urine is that it is totally sterile. The urine of a normal, healthy person is totally germ free. I am not sure, but urine maybe the only fluid produced by human body that is completely germ free. The saliva of a normal, healthy person is loaded with germs. So theoretically it is safer to drink urine than to kiss somebody, kissing involves transfer of germs.
So when Mr. Desai, the former PM of India used to drink his own urine, he was not putting himself at any risk. Urine contains a chemical called urea, which can be harmful to human body in large quantities.
In the old days, before sterilization was readily available, they used to use urine to sterilize the wound. If you wanted to sterilize the wound, you pissed on it (or got somebody else to do it).
Urine is a remarkable fluid. In the next post I will describe some of the medicinal applications of urine extract.
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Unforgiven, before I give the articles, let me say that I did not find the one about heart disease. I remember they mentioned several diseases where urine extract may be useful. Perhaps heart disease wasn’t one of them or I just couldn’t find the article. However I found plenty others. I am giving here four articles. Google for ‘urine extract’ and you will find plenty more.
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OBSERVATIONS OF REMISSIONS IN HYPERTHYROIDISM INDUCED BY PREGNANCY URINE EXTRACT -- STARR and PATTON 8 (7): 825 -- Annals of Internal Medicine
Annals of Internal Medicine.
OBSERVATIONS OF REMISSIONS IN HYPERTHYROIDISM INDUCED BY PREGNANCY URINE EXTRACT
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Human urine extract CDA-2 induces apoptosis of myelodysplastic syndrome-derived MUTZ-1 cells through the PI3K/Akt signaling pathway in a caspase-3-dependent manner
Acta pharmacologica sinica ISSN 1671-4083
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SpringerLink - Journal Article
American Journal of Digestive Diseases
The use of urine extracts in the treatment of ulcer
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Fat-Mobilizing Activity of Human Urine Extract -- CHALMERS et al. 8 (5): 728 -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition,
In people who are actively mobilizing and utilizing fat, a substance can be extracted from the urine which will cause increased fat mobilization and catabolism in mice, with depletion of the body fat stores - Quote from the abstract.
1.
OBSERVATIONS OF REMISSIONS IN HYPERTHYROIDISM INDUCED BY PREGNANCY URINE EXTRACT -- STARR and PATTON 8 (7): 825 -- Annals of Internal Medicine
Annals of Internal Medicine.
OBSERVATIONS OF REMISSIONS IN HYPERTHYROIDISM INDUCED BY PREGNANCY URINE EXTRACT
2.
Human urine extract CDA-2 induces apoptosis of myelodysplastic syndrome-derived MUTZ-1 cells through the PI3K/Akt signaling pathway in a caspase-3-dependent manner
Acta pharmacologica sinica ISSN 1671-4083
3.
SpringerLink - Journal Article
American Journal of Digestive Diseases
The use of urine extracts in the treatment of ulcer
4.
Fat-Mobilizing Activity of Human Urine Extract -- CHALMERS et al. 8 (5): 728 -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition,
In people who are actively mobilizing and utilizing fat, a substance can be extracted from the urine which will cause increased fat mobilization and catabolism in mice, with depletion of the body fat stores - Quote from the abstract.
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Unforgiven, I hope from now on you will think before speaking authoritatively on a subject that you know very little about (but I am not holding my breath).
Unf..... a bone for ya:
Even urine therapy advocates warn of the dangers of excessive urine consumption. During a worldwide conference of urine therapy practitioners, the Chinese Association of Urine Therapy warned that drinking urine has negative side effects, including diarrhea, fatigue, fever, and muscle soreness; and these symptoms increase with the amount of urine ingested.
Even urine therapy advocates warn of the dangers of excessive urine consumption. During a worldwide conference of urine therapy practitioners, the Chinese Association of Urine Therapy warned that drinking urine has negative side effects, including diarrhea, fatigue, fever, and muscle soreness; and these symptoms increase with the amount of urine ingested.
Feel free to bring your supporting links then. I will be happy to tear them apart and easily refute this ridiculous claim.
OK unforgiven, I have given you the links. Let us see you tear apart and easily refute Annals of Internal Medicine, Acta pharmacologica sinica, American Journal of Digestive Diseases and American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.
Seeing that you have mastered the art of speaking authoritatively on a subject that you know very little about (namely, urine), you shouldn’t have any difficulty.
OK unforgiven, I have given you the links. Let us see you tear apart and easily refute Annals of Internal Medicine, Acta pharmacologica sinica, American Journal of Digestive Diseases and American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.
Seeing that you have mastered the art of speaking authoritatively on a subject that you know very little about (namely, urine), you shouldn’t have any difficulty.
Dog meat is common in Korean restaurants in China, and so I'd assume the same applies to Korea.
On the rare occasion, it will be sold in other restaurants in China too. Overall, it's slightly more expensive than other meats.
Doesn’t’ surprise me, Machjo. The taboo against dog meat is purely artificial, there is no scientific reason behind it.
When Islam and Judaism forbade pork, at least there was a very good reason behind it. In the old days, pork used to be disease ridden, it used to carry germs (it doesn’t these days of course). Same with ham, if not cured properly, it could make you sick.
But there is no reason for the taboo against dog meat that I can see (except emotional attachment to a pet).
Do you eat any sea food? I don't see how it really matters where the amino acids come from that the animal uses to build it's proteins. There's nothing inherently better about lysine found in wheat as opposed to lysine derived from mackerel.
Well now, you have blown one of my favourite theories out the window! Damn, and I was so looking forward to eating those self righteous vegetarians when society collapses into chaos. The bright side is, everybody is now fair game. OOOPs! I guess that would include me. Double Damn!!!
Good going, Tonington, that had not occurred to me. But you re right, of course, most of sea life is carnivorous (except some very basic creatures, near the bottom of the food chain).
That's the easy part. Not a single article you posted a link to, some that require a fee in order to read, has anything at all to do with drinking your own piss. Not one. Each and every article, of course I read them, is talking about extracting a chemical from urine, (not drinking urine) and in combination with other chemicals in solution have a detrimental effect on cell growth by alteration of pathways used by protein in mice and rabbits with hyper-thyroid.
This is your slam dunk?
Drinking Urine, as you suggest, has no clinically tested benefits. What's more, the urethra often has bacteria festering away which is washed out with the first couple of seconds you pee. You've probably heard that drinking sea water will kill you because it increases your thirst due to the salt content. Pee does the same thing. While it may stave off death by dehydration for a day or two, if no other water supply is available, the proportion of water content would rapidly decrease as the proportion of harmful waste products increased.
As Gerryh pointed out there is evidence of the problems that can come from excessive ingestion of urine.
There is a huge difference between removing a chemical found in urine, mixing it into a solution and injecting that solution into the blood stream, and drinking your own piss as you first stated.
As I said, drinking urine has no clinically certified benefits and is generally found to be repugnant and in larger quantities dangerous as pointed out above.
As for being perverted, of course drinking piss is perverted. Perversion isn't necessarily a bad thing, but extremism often is.
In conclusion, no where have you shown here nor in any link you've provided any clinical reference that drinking pee is healthy or beneficial. Your attempt to slip from your original statement of drinking pee, to some safe harbor in urinary extract, is both sophomoric and indicative of your incessant attempts at trolling and baiting here.
JEEEEZUZ RON !!! Easter Rotty??
How'd it taste??
:grommit:
Hey, Sir Joe. You gottem again, you little trollerite you........coochy coochy coochy.
Urine contains the waste products of the body. Not recommended for consumption. Will keep you alive for a bit if you're in a life raft on the ocean.......which is where you should go soon. Drink gallons. Good for ya.
:roll:Mehhhhhhhhhh. What a maroon.
How'd it taste??
:grommit:
Hey, Sir Joe. You gottem again, you little trollerite you........coochy coochy coochy.
Urine contains the waste products of the body. Not recommended for consumption. Will keep you alive for a bit if you're in a life raft on the ocean.......which is where you should go soon. Drink gallons. Good for ya.
:roll:Mehhhhhhhhhh. What a maroon.
Unforgiven, that is called putting up a straw man. I never said that drinking one’s own urine is beneficial, go back and read my posts again. Show me the posts where I said that drinking one’s own urine is beneficial.
What I said was that Mr. Desai, former PM of India used to drink his own urine, that CNN did a special on this where they described the benefits derived from urine extract, and that Mr. Desai was not putting himself at any risk by drinking his own urine. I stand by all that.
You on the other hand, clearly implies that using urine extract for medicine is bunk.
It's off the top of my head, but it should be easy enough to Google for it. CNN did a special on the subject, I definitely remember that. - SJP
Feel free to bring your supporting links then. I will be happy to tear them apart and easily refute this ridiculous claim. – unforgiven
Your comment was in response to my comment see your post #22. The clear implication on your part is that what I said (about CNN doing a special on the beneficial effects of urine extract) was rubbish.
To which I provided voluminous references and challenged you to tear them apart, as you promised. You failed to do that and shifted the argument, claiming that there are no beneficial effects of drinking one’s own urine.
I never said there were (though I don’t know that one way or the other). So anyway, I assume you agree that urine extract can be used in medicine. Let us leave it at that.
What I said was that Mr. Desai, former PM of India used to drink his own urine, that CNN did a special on this where they described the benefits derived from urine extract, and that Mr. Desai was not putting himself at any risk by drinking his own urine. I stand by all that.
You on the other hand, clearly implies that using urine extract for medicine is bunk.
It's off the top of my head, but it should be easy enough to Google for it. CNN did a special on the subject, I definitely remember that. - SJP
Feel free to bring your supporting links then. I will be happy to tear them apart and easily refute this ridiculous claim. – unforgiven
Your comment was in response to my comment see your post #22. The clear implication on your part is that what I said (about CNN doing a special on the beneficial effects of urine extract) was rubbish.
To which I provided voluminous references and challenged you to tear them apart, as you promised. You failed to do that and shifted the argument, claiming that there are no beneficial effects of drinking one’s own urine.
I never said there were (though I don’t know that one way or the other). So anyway, I assume you agree that urine extract can be used in medicine. Let us leave it at that.