What? Baby's? So....what...... because of this, then in your mind the murder of an innocent life is just fine?
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What? Baby's? So....what...... because of this, then in your mind the murder of an innocent life is just fine?
No. It is just that in different societies they have different ideas as to what is right and wrong, acceptable and not acceptable. Within our society, there are obviously different ideas about abortion that run the gamut from "it should be punishable by death" to "what other people do with their bodies is none of your business". I happen to think life is sacred, but I do not feel a need to impose that belief on anybody. Their decision is between them and their idea of god/creator. If the big cheese thinks it is murder, I'm sure that he/she/it is perfectly capable of dealing with it in it's own way.
Then why not take that attitude towards the killing of any child? A woman can murder her unborn child without a raised eyebrow, yet if that same woman waited till the baby was 1, 2, 3 years old or more, than people call for the hounds of hell to be unleashed upon her person.
I take the same attitude. Anybody who isn't completely insane, will suffer great emotional trauma from killing their child in a fit of rage or drunken haze for the rest of their lives. Anything that society can inflict is about as meaningful as when we hung people for a failed suicide attempt.
The Law is an Ass! Karma is nonjudgmental. Sooner or later, we reap what we sow.
gerryh,
Just noticed that you are only 11 posts ahead of me to reaching 3000, whatever that means.:?: ;-)
Just noticed that you are only 11 posts ahead of me to reaching 3000, whatever that means.:?: ;-)
Either that, or under a hell of a lot of stress they can't handle. What can you do with someone who is insane? Are they responsible?
I mean, I'm insane in a benevolent sort of way, but.... what were we talking about again?
gerryh, I can relate and I have always believed that if I got a another woman pregnant I would deal with the birth and raise the child. But that's me..
That said, I remember my ex being on coke, after she left me and just before she died, and hate to wonder what a baby would live thru born addicted to such a violent drug.. My ex died trowing herself on the ground in a parking lot smashing her head on the asphalt.. Some people say a fetus can feel pain, if so imagine the pain it feels from withdraws of Cocaine or Meth and would you want to put a life still not born thru such a future ? And if the fetus cannot feel pain imagine how the baby will feel when it is born and have to face a life of constant misery inflicted by it's mother who thought drugs were a cool way to spend pregnancy time..
Just wondering ?
Niflmir
"It's a choice because it has nothing to do with the value of anything but the choice.
There are many examples of valuable, yet mentally ill, people throughout history. Of these people there are plenty of examples where they attempted to kill somebody. Is the right to self defense someone not present simply because the person was valuable? No, the value of an individual is irrelevant to whether something is right or wrong.
The right to terminate a parasitic relationship is no different."
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The guilty in society cost society for the term of their incarceration. Those found guilty are often hospitalized with injuries in the process of their crime and cost possibly tens of thousands for treatment additionally charged to society.
ALL these guilty criminals are allowed to live as a burden on society including their legal fees, et al. !!!
Yet the innocent but not yet born should be chemically dissolved or sucked through a straw because they are innocent- but smaller and younger, carrying a "Possibility" of being a burden on someone somewhere!
All Because.
The value of "choice" outweighs the innocent value of any unborn unique human life?
All Because.
The Constitutional law of "choice" must prevail?
Man. Kill them all. What is their value??? What do they cost???Old folks in nursing homes, unadopted children, the terminally ill, the mentally ill who else? Welfare mothers with kids on foodstamps?
How about:
Pregnant women with free government abortions perhaps...
Save the economy! :fish:
(psst, they ARE the economy! Government programs and the social workers and doctors... SirPorters wife who is on your dime.)
Just making HIS point not mine.
"It's a choice because it has nothing to do with the value of anything but the choice.
There are many examples of valuable, yet mentally ill, people throughout history. Of these people there are plenty of examples where they attempted to kill somebody. Is the right to self defense someone not present simply because the person was valuable? No, the value of an individual is irrelevant to whether something is right or wrong.
The right to terminate a parasitic relationship is no different."
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The guilty in society cost society for the term of their incarceration. Those found guilty are often hospitalized with injuries in the process of their crime and cost possibly tens of thousands for treatment additionally charged to society.
ALL these guilty criminals are allowed to live as a burden on society including their legal fees, et al. !!!
Yet the innocent but not yet born should be chemically dissolved or sucked through a straw because they are innocent- but smaller and younger, carrying a "Possibility" of being a burden on someone somewhere!
All Because.
The value of "choice" outweighs the innocent value of any unborn unique human life?
All Because.
The Constitutional law of "choice" must prevail?
Man. Kill them all. What is their value??? What do they cost???Old folks in nursing homes, unadopted children, the terminally ill, the mentally ill who else? Welfare mothers with kids on foodstamps?
How about:
Pregnant women with free government abortions perhaps...
Save the economy! :fish:
(psst, they ARE the economy! Government programs and the social workers and doctors... SirPorters wife who is on your dime.)
Just making HIS point not mine.
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I was referring to your attempt to get through to others with:
A life started by human origins, i.e. human egg + human sperm is by definition a human life.
It takes an obstinate, stubburn and blind atheist to deny that.
I thought it was simple and concise, we sometimes outwrite our point dont we.
I know I do. :fish:
Yeah, but withdrawl can be overcome even for a newborn in intensive care, if the Lord wants it He will bring it home. Now:
Imagine the pain of being dissolved by acid in your mothers womb. Or dissected with a sharp instrument till you are destroyed enough to be sucked through a straw and spilled in a bucket!
10,000 cases per day in the USa alone! :fish:
Times 365 days a year that is 3,650,000 a year or about 1% of your population. That would be a lot of unwanted mouths to feed at society's expense. That would require an ever expanding bureaucracy that would put a further strain on the economy, the environment and resources. As it is there are a lot of kids every year that don't get adopted. Where will you house all these kids. Who will feed them, cloth them and change their diapers.
Millions of children die every year from starvation and preventable diseases. Why, because we do not have the resources to feed them and provide medical care. The world is over populated and is not like the US. The US already uses far more than its fair share of resources, a ridiculous percentage. Although I understand your point of view, I understand the emotional and moral reasons, they are not logical or practical.
The world economy is down the tubes, governments are in chaos, religions are at war, people are losing their homes... humanity is in crisis, the environment is in crisis. Not only is bringing more children into the world going to increase the strain on the planet, it is not fair to them to force them to be born in these chaotic and volatile times. There has never been this much humanity on the planet. Pollution and climate change have made our future uncertain. What you want to do is speed up our demise.
I realize that you think god and Jesus are coming to save the day, but the majority of people don't have the luxury of your optimism or beliefs. Your beliefs are just that and hold very little substance outside your religious beliefs. Have you been in any of the many refugy camps filled with staving people, homeless, possessionless.
Perhaps you should venture out into the real world and out of your Disney-esque version, to see what your lifestyle costs the rest of humanity.
All Because.
The value of "choice" outweighs the innocent value of any unborn unique human life?
We come back to the same stumbling block, bluedog, is it human life? At what stage can it be considered human life? We just don’t know.
Man. Kill them all. What is their value??? What do they cost???
You say kill them all, I say abort if that is your choice. It all depends upon your perspective.
Old folks in nursing homes, unadopted children, the terminally ill, the mentally ill who else? Welfare mothers with kids on foodstamps?
Here the society is in agreement, all the human beings have the right to life (and before you start, I don’t’ consider fetus a human being). So there is no contention about welfare mothers, adopted children etc.
How about:
Pregnant women with free government abortions perhaps...
We already have that in Canada (and in most developed countries).
The value of "choice" outweighs the innocent value of any unborn unique human life?
We come back to the same stumbling block, bluedog, is it human life? At what stage can it be considered human life? We just don’t know.
Man. Kill them all. What is their value??? What do they cost???
You say kill them all, I say abort if that is your choice. It all depends upon your perspective.
Old folks in nursing homes, unadopted children, the terminally ill, the mentally ill who else? Welfare mothers with kids on foodstamps?
Here the society is in agreement, all the human beings have the right to life (and before you start, I don’t’ consider fetus a human being). So there is no contention about welfare mothers, adopted children etc.
How about:
Pregnant women with free government abortions perhaps...
We already have that in Canada (and in most developed countries).
You mentioned this canard once before and you are repeating the nonsense once again. As I said, it is an outright lie put forth by some extreme right wing website.
As I understand there are between 1 and 1.5 million abortion per year in USA, which comes to between 2700 to 4000 abortions per day.
So again, where did you get that 10,000 figure? That seems pure prolife propaganda, a lie manufactured by the prolife side. Do you have a weblink for that?
"But Yukon Jack seems to be sensitive about it, I don’t know why. No matter, I will refer to him as YJ from now on."
Typical liberal response: add no value, show no respect, irritate, aggravate strictly and only for the sake of being difficult, and be damn proud of it.
Typical liberal response: add no value, show no respect, irritate, aggravate strictly and only for the sake of being difficult, and be damn proud of it.
Simmer down Y.J. I refer to you as Y.J. and Sir Joseph as S.J. and Christmas as Xmas- no lack of respect, just saves keystrokes. If you noticed I also go by initials. You should be proud that you are easily recognized by your initials. Do you think F.D.R. and J.F.K. lost sleep over it? And those guys were heros.
Any excuse to get your balls in a knot, eh! jack. Its a beautiful day out there. The sun is shining, birds singing and life goes on. Every day you wake up alive is a good day. have a great day Jack. Life is too short to sweat the little things.