Stuff I didn't know

[Nuggler]

And it has to do with gun control and registration. From an American. Interesting read, and here's some stuff:

The system is so bad that six Canadian provinces (British Columbia joins Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, Nova Scotia, and Ontario) are refusing to prosecute firearm owners who fail to register.86
• A bill to abolish the registry has been tabled (introduced) in the Canadian Parliament, which if passed, would eliminate the registry completely.87
• A Saskatchewan MP who endorsed the long gun registry when first proposed has introduced legislation to abolish it stating that, “[the registry] has not saved one life in Canada, and it has been a financial sinkhole … absolutely useless in helping locate the 255,000 people who have been prohibited from owning firearms by the courts.”


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I knew the system was a useless money sinkhole, but not that some provinces are refusing to prosecute...........good job, provinces.

So now, when I refuse to renew my Possession Only Certificate, no ones coming knocking to take by guns..............? Ya think??

The ArceyMP is in charge of this, so I could well get tasered to death........8O

 

[Liberalman]

gun registry works because the person that owns it can get charged more quickly for the crime

 

[Liberalman]

The gunmaker should be charged with murder if their product is used for a killing of aninnocent person.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

gun registry works because the person that owns it can get charged more quickly for the crime

Sure, assuming the crime was committed with a registered weapon, which isn't usually the case. The gun registry's been a boondoggle from start to finish.

The gunmaker should be charged with murder if their product is used for a killing of an innocent person.

Oh right, then we can start charging car manufacturers for every road death, sporting goods and lumber companies every time someone gets bludgeoned to death with a baseball bat, knife manufacturers any time someone's stabbed to death... You might want to rethink that silly idea.

 

[Liberalman]

The gun registry's been a boondoggle from start to finish

Boondoggle a conservative phrase.
Registry does work because when it is completed then anyone who is not registered will get charged and people that don’t register their guns are the criminal.

Gun makers products kill people that is their purpose fo they have to be charged

 

[petros]

The gunmaker should be charged with murder if their product is used for a killing of aninnocent person.

Winchestermysteryhouse.com Sarah was freaked out by that thought....

 

[taxslave]

Boondoggle a conservative phrase.
Registry does work because when it is completed then anyone who is not registered will get charged and people that don’t register their guns are the criminal.

Gun makers products kill people that is their purpose fo they have to be charged

Wrong on all counts. We are talking about long guns here which are used for hunting and recreation.Most crimes are committed with hand guns that are not registered. Just because you happen to not register a piece of private property with some government agency does not make you a criminal. So far all this boondoggle has done is create a lot of good paying government jobs in a riding that is short on employment and long on votes.
Scrap it now.

 

[petros]

Most crimes are committed with hand guns that are not registered.

Knives! By a long shot (pun intended).

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Boondoggle a conservative phrase.

Irrelevant even if true, which it's not. It's a word, not a phrase, and it's a perfectly good word, conservatives don't own it.

Registry does work because when it is completed then anyone who is not registered will get charged and people that don’t register their guns are the criminal.

That's your evidence that it works? It's been in place for over 5 years now, can you point to a significant reduction in crimes committed with guns in this country?

Gun makers products kill people that is their purpose fo they have to be charged

There are perfectly legitimate uses for guns, they're not just for killing people. Car maker's products kill people too, far more than guns do in fact, but that's no more their purpose than it's the purpose of guns. You can kill people with pretty much anything, if you're so inclined. You have the seed of a possibly legitimate argument here, there certainly are guns whose primary purpose is as anti-personnel weapons. Those are generally essential military hardware, and the case could probably be made that no private citizen has any legitimate use for an assault rifle, but generalizing the argument to all guns invalidates it. The anti-gun lobby needs a little more nuance before I'll take it seriously.

 

[petros]

boondoggle


[SIZE=-1]N. Amer.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]informal[/SIZE]
• noun an unnecessary, wasteful, or fraudulent project.
• verb waste money or time on such projects. [SIZE=-1]— ORIGIN[/SIZE] of unknown origin.

If the Oxford doesn't know the origin, nobody does.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

So now, when I refuse to renew my Possession Only Certificate, no ones coming knocking to take by guns..............? Ya think??

Probably not, you will likely get a series of nastygrams from Miramachi. The Globe ran this story last week, and of course the association of police chiefs, (along with Wendy Cukier's group, who were paid close to $400,000 by the Liberals) supported the program. I have a problem with police writing and supporting laws that give them that much power over the citizenry. Firearms are the only things private citizens need a license to own. Needing a license means a freedom can be revoked summarily and without due process.

 

[DurkaDurka]

gun registry works because the person that owns it can get charged more quickly for the crime

right, and how often do registered gun holders commit crimes with their weapons?

 

[JLM]

right, and how often do registered gun holders commit crimes with their weapons?

Probably about 0.0000001% more often than never.

 

[jjaycee98]

Criminals will not Register hence your statement is flawed. Correct though in cases of domestic violence or problems between aquaintances. These are rare though and do not warrant the millions of cost. Old fashioned police work would track these down.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Needing a license means a freedom can be revoked summarily and without due process.

No, it just means it's a privilege you have to qualify for, not a right you're granted automatically. You want to drive a car, practice medicine or law, call yourself a professional engineer, or a variety of other things, you have to prove you can do it to certain standards. Due process certainly applies to revocations once you've earned the license.

 

[Ron in Regina]

In 2008, Police across Canada, pulled information from the Canadian Firearms
Registry On-line over 9,400 times per day. That adds up to a staggering 3,438,729
queries from police officers last year.
( Source: http://www.guncontrol.ca/English/Home/News/cliapr2.macl.pdf )

Has anyone here been able to find numbers that show how many crimes have been
solved in Canada due to the gun registry (either handgun or long gun) ???8O

 

[petros]

No, it just means it's a privilege you have to qualify for, not a right you're granted automatically. You want to drive a car, practice medicine or law, call yourself a professional engineer, or a variety of other things, you have to prove you can do it to certain standards. Due process certainly applies to revocations once you've earned the license.

"Submitting an application for license" is identical to saying "I'm giving in to be regulated and begging for permission for this regualtion " thus side stepping any natural right.

Check out Black's Law and Oxford English Dictionaries and see for yourself.

Using those two books will give you a whole new outlook on the english used in law.

 

[Ron in Regina]

There's a lot of Regina Boys on this Thread.

 

[petros]

You want to drive a car, ....or a variety of other things, you have to prove you can do it to certain standards. Due process certainly applies to revocations once you've earned the license.

What does it mnean to drive? What is a car, is it a motor vehicle? Trains have cars but can you "drive" one? Do you need a license to drive cattle? How about a nail? Are nails motor vehicles? What about a finger nail?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

"Submitting an application for license" is identical to ... side stepping any natural right.

You're conflating rights and privileges. They're not the same thing, the argument's meaningless.