What Are the Consequences of Obama Failing?

[SirJosephPorter]

Do you know that one gold wedding ring produces twenty tons of waste, much of it toxic. I hope the gold collectors are going to pay for the damage.

i think that is true of many metals. While perhaps not as intensive as gold, most metals produce plenty of waste and CO2 during the manufacture. Most of the ore extraction, and subsequent metal extraction are high temperature processes, energy intensive and harmful to the environment. But we need metals. all we can do is try to minimize the damage.

 

[JLM]

i think that is true of many metals. While perhaps not as intensive as gold, most metals produce plenty of waste and CO2 during the manufacture. Most of the ore extraction, and subsequent metal extraction are high temperature processes, energy intensive and harmful to the environment. But we need metals. all we can do is try to minimize the damage.

There's a hell of an idea- our Gov't should subsize the manufacturing with WOOD any articles that can satisfactority replace articles currently made with metal. There's probably a limit, like it probably wouldn't work with space ships, but planes were once made out of wood so who knows? Parts of cars used to be made out of wood- remember the old Buicks?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

There's a hell of an idea- our Gov't should subsize the manufacturing with WOOD any articles that can satisfactority replace articles currently made with metal. There's probably a limit, like it probably wouldn't work with space ships, but planes were once made out of wood so who knows? Parts of cars used to be made out of wood- remember the old Buicks?

JLM, metals have advantages that wood doesn’t have. It can withstand high temperatures, it is resistant to water (at least metals like stainless steel, aluminum etc.), which wood is not.

There are plastics who can serve the same purpose as metals, but I am not sure how expensive they are to produce (and how the carbon footprint compares with metal production).

There are pluses and minuses for everything, and one has to way the various factors to decide if anything is worth doing.

 

[ironsides]

Actually it was Carter or Clinton who first weakened Freddie Mac. Bush had nothing to do with that one.

I don’t know if that is true, ironsides. However, let us assume it to be true for the purpose of argument. Bush had total, absolute power for six years. Senate and Hose were solidly in the control of the Republican Party, and Republicans pretty much acted as rubber stamp for Bush.

If Carter and Clinton are such villains and if Bush is such an expert, such a genius in financial management, in fiscal management, he could have done something to curb the rising subprime lending. Hell, the guy had absolute control of the Senate, House and presidency, he could have repealed the law of gravity if he so wished (and the Republican controlled Supreme Court would have backed him by a 5 to 4 vote).

There were lots of Presidents who should have repealed the laws, but all Presidents including Bush and Obama, as well as most countries in the world supported them, and in fact reinforced them.

 

[JLM]

JLM, metals have advantages that wood doesn’t have. It can withstand high temperatures, it is resistant to water (at least metals like stainless steel, aluminum etc.), which wood is not.

There are plastics who can serve the same purpose as metals, but I am not sure how expensive they are to produce (and how the carbon footprint compares with metal production).

There are pluses and minuses for everything, and one has to way the various factors to decide if anything is worth doing.

I'm well aware of all that (not being a complete imbecile), but I think there are products that can be done just as well with wood. One example- cedar siding on the house and it's far more attractive than aluminum or plastic when properly maintained.

 

[taxslave]

Do you know that one gold wedding ring produces twenty tons of waste, much of it toxic. I hope the gold collectors are going to pay for the damage.

My ex didn't put on quite that much weight but close.

 

[taxslave]

There's a hell of an idea- our Gov't should subsize the manufacturing with WOOD any articles that can satisfactority replace articles currently made with metal. There's probably a limit, like it probably wouldn't work with space ships, but planes were once made out of wood so who knows? Parts of cars used to be made out of wood- remember the old Buicks?

Too late. The B.C. Government is already doing just that. Including revamping the building code to allow for six story wood frame construction. BonuS is it is a renewable resource.

 

[Cliffy]

Too late. The B.C. Government is already doing just that. Including revamping the building code to allow for six story wood frame construction. BonuS is it is a renewable resource.

But not sustainable with present day practices. It takes on average 80 years to grow a marketable tree (a little less in rain forest areas) and clear cutting is not sustainable. Selective logging, like some European countries, can provide more jobs and an endless supply of wood. But the rape and pillage methods used here are just plain stupid. Our forests are suffering from over mechanization. Tree farms are not forests.

Hemp is an annually renewable resource and a comparable building product can be produced at a fraction of the cost of lumber. But we are too heavily invested in destructive technology to change any time soon.

 

[ironsides]

JLM, metals have advantages that wood doesn’t have. It can withstand high temperatures, it is resistant to water (at least metals like stainless steel, aluminum etc.), which wood is not.

There are plastics who can serve the same purpose as metals, but I am not sure how expensive they are to produce (and how the carbon footprint compares with metal production).

There are pluses and minuses for everything, and one has to way the various factors to decide if anything is worth doing.

SirJosephPorter: I think precious metals are the best investment we can make at this time. Like you, I have some gold from when it was 200-300 also, still buying it when ever possible. I was never big with mutual funds, never made much money with them. Right now I like the way Ford is looking, I am almost even with them.


For all you other wood huggers.: EARTH FIRST! We'll strip-mine the other planets later.

 

[Cannuck]

The B.C. Government is already doing just that. Including revamping the building code to allow for six story wood frame construction. BonuS is it is a renewable resource.

Another bonus is that it'll be easier to clean up after the big earthquake....a little gas and a match.

 

[JLM]

Another bonus is that it'll be easier to clean up after the big earthquake....a little gas and a match.

No- the environmentalists will be in an uproar, if we burn anything that has paint on it.

 

[darkbeaver]

My ex didn't put on quite that much weight but close.

good one I'll tell my X (over the phone)

 

[Extrafire]

Quoting Extrafire
Evidently you're to blind to see the many links that were posted which proved that Clinton was mostly responsible for the mortgage meltdown that resulted in the current mess.


I thought it was all started by Carter as an affirmative action thing?

Trex

Not quite, Trex. It was started by FDR. FDR took the country totally down the toilet, when le left USA was little more than a third world country. Eisenhower rescued USA and brought her up to No. 1.

Along came Kennedy and Johnson. Again country sank into the toilet, unemployment 25%, inflation 20%. Along came Nixon and rescued the economy, the country once again. Then came Carter, USA became a third world country again.

Then came a period of unprecedented prosperity with Regan and Bush, 12 years of paradise in USA. Then 8 years of pure Hell under Clinton, economy nosedived, big time.

Then came the great rescuer, second Bush. A strong religious Fundamentalist with a direct hot line to God. He made USA better than ever before, when he left in 2008, USA was pure paradise, pure bliss.

Then of course, came the Devil incarnate, Lucifer himself, Obama. A Muslim terrorist, a Communist, a Nazi, an illegal alien. In two months he managed to do more damage than Bush ever set right, in eight years. Now of course, with Obama in power, it is the end of the world as we know it.

Obama was responsible for world war 2, Katrina disaster, dot com meltdown, the current meltdown and several other disasters.

That is the history according to Extrafire and the Republican far right.

Sorry to take so long to reply, but I've been busy.


When you invent rediculous stories like this I recognize it as an admission by you that I am correct.

 

[Extrafire]

Sorry JLM, but that is how it works out in politics. Bush was the President for eight years. Whatever happened during this watch, Bush gets the credit or the blame for it.

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However complicated the economics may be, the politics of it is very simple. Bush was in charge, so Bush is to blame.

Well that's the tactic lefties like to use. However, we were talking about who was REALLY responsible, not who you can foist the blame onto.

 

[Extrafire]

No doubt that is what conservative Republicans hope for, their fondest wish is to see unemployment at 25% and inflation at 20% come November 2010, so they can win in 2010.

Anyway if you indeed are a conservative (and I don’t know you enough to know if you are or not) and you indeed feel that way, you may wish to prepare for the biggest celebration of your life. If you are right, the fondest dream, the heart felt wish of conservatives will come true, USA will be in a deep depression come next November.

Obviously you are one of those people who believe that if they tell a big enough lie often enoungh, people will believe it.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

SirJosephPorter: I think precious metals are the best investment we can make at this time. Like you, I have some gold from when it was 200-300 also, still buying it when ever possible. I was never big with mutual funds, never made much money with them. Right now I like the way Ford is looking, I am almost even with them.


For all you other wood huggers.: EARTH FIRST! We'll strip-mine the other planets later.

But that is always the problem, isn’t it ironsides, it is difficult to predict the future. Is gold too high at 900 $ on ounce? Is it headed for 1500 $ or 500 $? We don’t know. It used to be around 800 $ (I think) then it tumbled to 250 $, now back at 900 $. Where does ti go from here?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Well that's the tactic lefties like to use. However, we were talking about who was REALLY responsible, not who you can foist the blame onto.

Long time no see, old dancing partner. As to your post, are you seriously suggesting that if economy is in the tank in 2012, that Republicans won’t blame Obama for it, but will be very fair and give the blame where it is due?

Don’t you believe it. If the economy is in the tank in 201,2 Republicans will be shouting from the roof top, 24/7, how Obama is responsible for it. And voters will agree with them. That is how politics works.

 

[Extrafire]

Long time no see, old dancing partner. As to your post, are you seriously suggesting that if economy is in the tank in 2012, that Republicans won’t blame Obama for it, but will be very fair and give the blame where it is due?

Absolutely not! In that situation I would expect Republicans to heap all the blame on Obama. But that's not what I was trying to do here (blame the current situation on a handy scapegoat) but rather to actually lay the blame where it belongs. You, on the other hand, were asigning blame purely on partisanship.

By the way, the chances of Obamas policies pulling them out of the current downturn are looking mighty slim. Office and commercial space vacancies are up to 25%, Fannie Mae is authorized to issue mortgages at 125% of value (which is the kind of thing that got us into this mess) and many pundits are opining that the "stimulus" has failed. Some are proposing a second "stimulus" which would be lunacy. As someone once said, doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. I sure hope I'm wrong about this, but I think things are going to get worse.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

There are some encouraging signs, Extrafire. Stock market is up, just today we got the news that new home sales surged last month. There are early hopeful signs.

Unemployment is expected to continue to rise for the next few months. We will know in six months or a year what is happening to the economy. But there are early encouraging signs.

 

[JLM]

There are some encouraging signs, Extrafire. Stock market is up, just today we got the news that new home sales surged last month. There are early hopeful signs.

Unemployment is expected to continue to rise for the next few months. We will know in six months or a year what is happening to the economy. But there are early encouraging signs.

Let's hope that Obama doesn't get any credit for that or Y.J. will be in high dudgeon. (Just kidding Yukon)............:lol::lol: