Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election

[SirJosephPorter]

Goober, I can tell you what Iggy would have done differently. He would not have frittered away all the surplus by giving tax cuts mainly benefiting the rich (GST cut).

Harper was trying to emulate Bush. The difference is that Bush went into huge deficits to give tax cuts to the rich, Harper only got rid of the surplus. However, if both Bush and Harper had stayed with Clinton and Chrétien/Martin surpluses, we would not be running such huge deficits today.

So at least in this one aspect, Iggy or Dion would have been better than the Messiah. Anything else we don’t know, it is purely hypothetical.

 

[Goober]

There is no need to provide a detailed list, JLM, he is running at least 50 billion $ deficit (maybe more, he doesn’t know the exact figure).

If 50 billion $ is being frugal, I shudder to think that being spendthrift would be like.

SJP

Now a tad off topic here but Cons and deficits as you state so often are intertwined – So how is my Cousin Mr. McGuinty doing with his surplus – After all Liberals manage the economy the best as you say – we should all bow down and give our 1st born to the Liberal Party.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Great day to you S J Porter, I think as soon as the Conservatives announced that yes we said 8 months ago we will not run on deficit mode, and today we are telling Canadians that we will be in the hole for $50.2 Billion and projected $100 Billion in the next 5 Years people have started to wander.


The people have put the Conservatives on the sight of the shotgun telescope, the trigger will be pulled by the Liberals as soon as the next Budget report will be worst off then this last one giving the Liberals elevation on the polls possibly lifting the Liberals to a majority.

 

[Risus]

All because the group that got elected to do the Job said they know how to make Canada prosper in 2006 and the people believed them, the present bunch in Ottawa (the conservatives) know dick about how to make money, and this why we have one faction guiding the one who said they know how but proved they know dick.

Soc, this post proves that you know absolutely 'dick'

 

[Goober]

Goober, I can tell you what Iggy would have done differently. He would not have frittered away all the surplus by giving tax cuts mainly benefiting the rich (GST cut).

Harper was trying to emulate Bush. The difference is that Bush went into huge deficits to give tax cuts to the rich, Harper only got rid of the surplus. However, if both Bush and Harper had stayed with Clinton and Chrétien/Martin surpluses, we would not be running such huge deficits today.

So at least in this one aspect, Iggy or Dion would have been better than the Messiah. Anything else we don’t know, it is purely hypothetical.

Must be suffering from a temporal time shift in your world – Dion was Head Lemming – Iggy was a Smaller Lemming noticeably different due to the huge ego he carried - – they all sat on their hands – Budget passed –
Now when you come out of that time shift you will know it is over when you realize that Dion was again leader in 2008, Not Iggy – He lost the race to number 3 or 4, –Dion then leading the Liberals to their worst showing – PS It was just recently that Iggy became Head Lemming and still carrying a Huge Ego. But a lot larger now, the Crown is in sight.

So what would Iggy have done if he was Finance Minister under Dion – Share with us the secrets from the inner sanctum?
What would Iggy have done – simple question – why do you have a problem answering – I made it as clear and as simple as I possible could – If you can think of a simpler way to ask this question please let me know.

 

[Risus]

Must be suffering from a temporal time shift in your world – Dion was Head Lemming – Iggy was a Smaller Lemming noticeably different due to the huge ego he carried - – they all sat on their hands – Budget passed –
Now when you come out of that time shift you will know it is over when you realize that Dion was again leader in 2008, Not Iggy – He lost the race to number 3 or 4, –Dion then leading the Liberals to their worst showing – PS It was just recently that Iggy became Head Lemming and still carrying a Huge Ego. But a lot larger now, the Crown is in sight.

So what would Iggy have done if he was Finance Minister under Dion – Share with us the secrets from the inner sanctum?
What would Iggy have done – simple question – why do you have a problem answering – I made it as clear and as simple as I possible could – If you can think of a simpler way to ask this question please let me know.

The liberals on this board always spout the same BS, but when asked to elaborate, they are mysteriously silent.

 

[Goober]

Great day to you S J Porter, I think as soon as the Conservatives announced that yes we said 8 months ago we will not run on deficit mode, and today we are telling Canadians that we will be in the hole for $50.2 Billion and projected $100 Billion in the next 5 Years people have started to wander.


The people have put the Conservatives on the sight of the shotgun telescope, the trigger will be pulled by the Liberals as soon as the next Budget report will be worst off then this last one giving the Liberals elevation on the polls possibly lifting the Liberals to a majority.

Not a fan of Harper and like the last election will probably vote Green but what does Iggy have to offer – An ego – he blows in the wind – what policies would he implement – what would he change –
With high unemployment – high deficit Iggy should be like an eagle soaring in the polls – Guess Canadians do not think to much of Harper or Iggy -

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Soc, this post proves that you know absolutely 'dick'

Good day Rissus, the polls are speaking the truth. The Liberals are up on the polls and the Conservatives are upside down on the polls. Who knows Dick?

 

[Socrates the Greek]

The liberals on this board always spout the same BS, but when asked to elaborate, they are mysteriously silent.

Stupid propaganda does not qualify for a response.

 

[Goober]

Perspective does matter and I do read from all sides and I did not see any pundits slamming Harper for caving – they were mostly of the opposing opinion – Iggy ramping up with BS and caving

Again, that is a matter of opinion, Goober. We could discuss how caved and who didn’t and not come to any conclusion or agreement. Who caved purely depends upon one’s political views.

I remember when Clinton was having a battle with the Republican congress, Republicans such as Limbaugh were claiming that Clinton caved in big time. Opinion polls showed something totally different.

If there are any opinion polls as to who caved, there may be something to it (it is what people think that matters). Failing that well, if one is a conservative, Iggy caved, if one is a Liberal, Messiah caved.

From that bastion of Conservatism the Toronto Star-

http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/652477
In staving off an election neither of them wanted, Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff have shown that it is possible for a minority Parliament to work constructively.
"I feel that this is a good day for our country," said Ignatieff yesterday after his deal with Harper was signed. "But more importantly, it's a good day also for this system of Parliament."
But it was not a particularly good day for Ignatieff, who would appear to have ceded much more ground than Harper to get a deal. Going into negotiations with the Prime Minister, Ignatieff said he wanted enhancements to employment insurance (EI) in time for the summer, a roadmap for eliminating the deficit, a plan for addressing the isotope crisis, and a transparent accounting of infrastructure spending.
What did he get? A bipartisan panel to study EI and report back in September, plus a promise of another economic update from the government in the fall. That's pretty meagre.
The other two opposition parties, the New Democrats and the Bloc Quebecois, sneered that the unemployed had been abandoned by the "Liberal/Conservative coalition." But the NDP and the Bloc were likely privately relieved, for they want an election even less than Harper and Ignatieff do. If Ignatieff had rejected the deal with Harper and forced a showdown in Parliament on Friday, many NDP and Bloc MPs might have been conspicuously absent for the non-confidence vote.
What Ignatieff really won with this deal was time: another three months to work on fundraising, candidate recruitment, party organization, and the Liberal platform. Of course, Harper and the governing Conservatives get another three months to try to turn the economy around . . . and to run more negative ads about Ignatieff.
The NDP and the Bloc, for their part, get three more months to continue play-acting about how tough they are on the government.

 

[captain morgan]

Stupid propaganda does not qualify for a response.

... Can you bend the rules just this once and provide a response.... Pleeaassee!

 

[Socrates the Greek]

... Can you bend the rules just this once and provide a response.... Pleeaassee!

In the next 5 years $100 + Billion in red ink.........

 

[Goober]

In the next 5 years $100 + Billion in red ink.........

Socrates
So add up Trudeau & Mulroney’s deficit spending – Now both Chretien, Martin and Harper have expanded enormously Govt spending – When we should have been spending at a bit above inflation, building infrastructure, revamping the immigration & refugee policies – sorting out the 16 or 17 Depts that look after Indian – Aboriginal programs – Investing in trade schools – building low cost affordable housing ( 80% of that money is spent locally) a host of programs –
So please look again at the numbers as no one really knows for sure – they could be higher or lower - also a large part of this years deficit spending went to the auto sector –
Look at it with an open mind – not blind partisanship – Both parties play us like puppets –
Fuggem all in their holy asses with a big stick is my opinion.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

SJP

Now a tad off topic here but Cons and deficits as you state so often are intertwined – So how is my Cousin Mr. McGuinty doing with his surplus – After all Liberals manage the economy the best as you say – we should all bow down and give our 1st born to the Liberal Party.

These days everybody is running a deficit, Goober. That is why I have already said that Harper is not totally at fault for the deficit. Where he is at fault is for frittering away all the surplus on GST cut. If he had continued running a surplus, the federal deficit would be a lot less that it is today.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

From that bastion of Conservatism the Toronto Star-

So what is the point of this post, Goober? Toronto Star does not support the Liberals, its philosophy is more in line with the NDP. As I said, who caved depends upon who is writing the article. If you can cite an opinion poll, we will talk about it. Until then it is just your opinion (that Messiah won a great victory, that Iggy caved) against my opinion (that Iggy did not cave, he got at least some of what he wanted).

 

[SirJosephPorter]

[FONT=&quot]So what would Iggy have done if he was Finance Minister under Dion – Share with us the secrets from the inner sanctum?[/FONT]
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[/FONT]What would Iggy have done – simple question – why do you have a problem answering – I made it as clear and as simple as I possible could – If you can think of a simpler way to ask this question please let me know.


Goober, as I said before, this is going to the Conservative strategy. Demonize Iggy, paint him as the worst leader since Hitler or Stalin, and hope that voters will vote for lesser of the two evils (since Harper does not really have any accomplishment to show to the voters).

As to what Iggy would have done, that is totally irrelevant, he is not the PM, the Messiah is. At the next election campaign, no doubt Iggy will lay down his agenda for the coming years (if he is elected).

But it is pointless to speculate Iggy would have done this and Iggy would have done that. If one is a Conservative, Iggy would have brought on another depression, with unemployment of 25% and inflation of 20%.. If one is a Liberal, Canada under Iggy would have enjoyed a 4% unemployment, 1 % inflation and 10 billion $ budget surplus. The whole thing is nonsense.

 

[JLM]

"Demonize Iggy, paint him as the worst leader since Hitler or Stalin, and hope that voters will vote for lesser of the two evils (since Harper does not really have any accomplishment to show to the voters)."- I'm afraid you are suffering from tunnel vision, Harper brought in pension splitting which has saved many elderly Canadians thousands of dollars a year.

 

[Goober]

[FONT=&quot]So what would Iggy have done if he was Finance Minister under Dion – Share with us the secrets from the inner sanctum?[/FONT]

What would Iggy have done – simple question – why do you have a problem answering – I made it as clear and as simple as I possible could – If you can think of a simpler way to ask this question please let me know.


Goober, as I said before, this is going to the Conservative strategy. Demonize Iggy, paint him as the worst leader since Hitler or Stalin, and hope that voters will vote for lesser of the two evils (since Harper does not really have any accomplishment to show to the voters).

As to what Iggy would have done, that is totally irrelevant, he is not the PM, the Messiah is. At the next election campaign, no doubt Iggy will lay down his agenda for the coming years (if he is elected).

But it is pointless to speculate Iggy would have done this and Iggy would have done that. If one is a Conservative, Iggy would have brought on another depression, with unemployment of 25% and inflation of 20%.. If one is a Liberal, Canada under Iggy would have enjoyed a 4% unemployment, 1 % inflation and 10 billion $ budget surplus. The whole thing is nonsense.

SJP
Your typical response – Iggy has no plan – No leadership for the country – As to agenda I thought that was a term for Hidden and Harper – surprised you used it regarding Iggy.
Yes Harper when in opposition wanted to work with the Bloc to bring down the Martin govt. - Note Harper did not sign anything and it went nowhere – happens in politics.
But this was talk or negotiation as you would say –
Iggy the presumed and anointed heir apparent for Dion – selected by the inner power circle – Iggy signed his own Judas script – He was the last to sign the coalition agreement with the NDP and the Bloc – 6 cabinet positions for the Mustache and the Bloc with a veto on policy – Do you think the average Canadian could not see that and were totally disgusted that the Liberals – Dion and Iggy would do anything to return to power– This will cost Iggy dearly -Iggy could have stopped that within hours and chose not to – Signing a deal with the devil does and will prove costly.
Iggy could have swayed his supporters to disown this and did not - Dion would have been on his way a tad faster – Instead he gave his support and clearly signaled to all Mp’s that support would not only be demanded it would result in severe penalties if they did not toe the Iggy line, much in the same way or worse that Chretien did by protecting their seats from competition. If they behaved no one could challenge them in their respective ridings -
Iggy as you state so often does not have to tell Canadians what he would do as PM – someone might steal his idea – heaven forbid that Canadians could not figure that one out – you have such a poor opinion of Joe Smuck the average Canadian – More than pompous I would say – What he would implement –Why is that – Perhaps because he has no plan – he was crowned Leader in a party that had always had leadership races – Not this time – The anointment by the power brokers within the party sealed the deal – we saw in the last leadership race how well he fared with delegates – Not to well as I recall –
And yes it is pointless to discuss Iggy’s plans as he has none – Harper kicked his ass – Iggy threatened an election on 4 issues and what did he get – one of them was a firm No from Harper during the sitting of the House – I am sure you will twist the other 3 to suite your agenda –
Lastly – if the economy does start as some economist state, to turn the corner in the 3rd or 4th quarter what will Iggy say then – I can hear it now – I supported the deficit – Iggy, Blowing in the wind –
Perhaps this will be Iggy’s theme song.
http://www.last.fm/music/Bob+Dylan/_/Blowin'+in+the+Wind

 

[SirJosephPorter]

And yes it is pointless to discuss Iggy’s plans as he has none – Harper kicked his ass

That is the conservative partisan in you talking, Goober. I have no doubt that you think that the Messiah kicked ass. But that is your opinion only.

This will cost Iggy dearly

So, are you ready to predict here that your Messiah will get a majority come next election?

Do you think the average Canadian could not see that and were totally disgusted that the Liberals

I thought average Canadian is already totally disgusted with Liberals, Goober (and totally enamored with the Messiah). You mean average Canadian will now totally, totally get disgusted with Liberals? Poor Liberals. Do you think they will get even one seat? I know they won’t in your Alberta. But how about the rest of Canada? Do you think they maybe have a chance to win one or two seats? Exactly how big a majority are you predicting for your Messiah?

And yes it is pointless to discuss Iggy’s plans as he has none

You were not discussing his plans, Goober, you were merely speculating that Iggy would have done this and Iggy would have done that (without any evidence, I might add). All because you’re Messiah does not have any accomplishment to show for his years in office. What Iggy's plans are for the future, we will learn at the next election campaign.

Lastly – if the economy does start as some economist state, to turn the corner in the 3rd or 4th quarter what will Iggy say then

Well, then I assume your Messiah will get a majority, right? Oh, the happy days. Surely paradise will appear in Canada.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Perhaps this will be Iggy’s theme song.
http://www.last.fm/music/Bob+Dylan/_/Blowin'+in+the+Wind

And I can picture the Messiah’s theme song, Goober. It of course, has to be ‘Amazing Grace’. Messiah is the Saviour of Canada after all (according to Harper acolytes anyway). What more appropriate song than ‘Amazing Grace’?