Iowa Legalizes Gay Marriage: Have the Floodgates Opened?

SirJosephPorter

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Last week, Iowa Supreme Court in a unanimous ruling declared that ban on same sex marriage (SSM) is against Iowa state constitution. Gays will be permitted to marry in Iowa starting May 1.

While Iowa is much smaller than California, this decision may potentially be much more significant, much more devastating to SSM opponents than California decision. When California decision was handed down, all the spadework necessary to put the constitution amendment for a referendum was already completed. In a few months it was put to referendum, where it was approved narrowly.

However, Iowa ain’t California. They have much more sense in Iowa. I looked up the process for constitutional amendment in Iowa, and it is very difficult to amend Iowa constitution. It has to be passed by the House and the Senate. Then they have to wait until the next election, and House and Senate vote again after next election.

If they approve it a second time, then it goes to a referendum. Assuming it is approved in a referendum, it again comes back to House and senate, and they have to pass it yet again. This is how difficult it should be to amend the constitution, not California’s idiotic method of 50%+1 vote in a referendum.

Anyway, the earliest it can be put to a referendum is in 2011, but they will have to call a special election for that. I don’t see that happening, and the earliest it can go for a referendum is in 2012. After that the new Congress still has to pass it, which means that earliest SSM can be outlawed in Iowa, is 2013, fully four years from now.

And that is assuming everything goes smoothly. The last time they tried to amend the constitution to ban SSM, House passed it but Senate rejected it. If the same thing happens this time, nothing gets done until a new Congress is elected and starts its session in 2011.

It looks like SSM is here to stay in Iowa. Also Iowa does not have any residency requirements, anybody can go to Iowa and get married. So gays from other states would be free to go to Iowa, get married, go back to their state and challenge the SSM ban in the courts.

It is quite possible that in some states, the Supreme Courts may rule that while the constitution of their state bans SSM, marriage carried out in another state must be respected. If that happens, then ban on SSM in that particular state may become meaningless.

So, have the floodgates opened for SSM? It is too early to tell. It is certainly a possibility. However, Iowa’s decision is a much more significant advance for gays than the California decision.
 

SirJosephPorter

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I guess it's a case of Never say never, would have thought Iowa would have been one of the last states.

JLM. Iowa is rather a strange beast. It is mostly rural, mostly white, yet it consistently votes Democratic. The Democratic Senator from Iowa, Tom Harkin is a liberal, not a moderate.

If you remember, Iowa gave Obama his start. Before Iowa caucuses, Hillary was leading Obama by more than 20 points, and everybody expected her to win the nomination easily. But all that changed after Obama’s convincing win in Iowa caucuses. First blacks switched from Hillary to Obama (once they found out that Obama had the potential for being elected), then liberals (like Kennedy) switched to Obama and it was all over.

If Iowa had turned its back on Obama, Hillary would be the president today. I read that recently there has been migration to Iowa cities (such as Des Moines) and that is why Iowa is slowly turning from a red state to a blue state.

So it may not at all be easy for gay marriage opponents to get the constitutional amendment through Iowa Senate. I think they face an uphill struggle in getting a constitutional amendment passed in Iowa.
 

Walter

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It wouldn't pass in a referendum. Bloody judges with an agenda.
 

Zzarchov

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It wouldn't pass in a referendum. Bloody judges with an agenda.

overturning the Jim Crowe Laws wouldn't have passed with a referendum either.

Thats the whole point of having a supreme court, to overturn unjust laws even when the majority disagree.

The majority agrees to this, because they aren't the majority in everything.

You might be part of the majority when it comes to banning gay marriage, but then part of the minority when it comes to "all Mormons in the state shall be put to death" issue. So you take your losses in the name of greater freedom and protection.
 

SirJosephPorter

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It wouldn't pass in a referendum. Bloody judges with an agenda.


So what, Walter? I have said it before; human rights issues such as equality for blacks, for women, for gays should not be subject to the whim of 50%+1 majority. That is for the courts and the legislatures to decide.

If referendum is part of the amendment process, then every effort should be made so that the process stops short of referendum. That is what they have done in Massachusetts; the legislature does not let the issue go to a referendum.

My hope is that the same thing happens in Iowa, that the Senate continues to turn down the constitutional amendment. At a minimum it will take four years to pass the amendment. If Senate is successful in turning it down, it will never go to a referendum.
 

petros

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Definetly. This only shores up the rights of those in hetro marriages. It's good to see that marriage and devotion to just one person for life is making a come back.
 

Francis2004

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You mean, "Gay to go, Iowa".

And so it might be.. Does it worry you ?

As a hetrosexual person no one bothers me.

I still recall the comedian who joked about being straight and hating Gays. However he was peeved because even gay men would not hit on him.. I guess that hits home for many.. They just hate life and must hate everyone who finds happiness..
 

Francis2004

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I hate to burst bubbles but any right gained by any other group is also a right gained by you.


Quite right, I have said it before. When minority gains rights, majority benefits as well. It is not a win/lose situation, but win/win situation.


Of course it does guys and that's what irks others.. How can they be equal.. They are not worthy of equal rights.. Not realizing they are only losing some themselves if they take away others..
 

SirJosephPorter

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Of course it does guys and that's what irks others.. How can they be equal.. They are not worthy of equal rights.. Not realizing they are only losing some themselves if they take away others..

Quite right, Sir Francis. Was the white majority really better off in the last century, when only they had the rights, blacks, women, gays etc. had none?

Conservatives instinctively oppose giving minorities any rights. But I think even they probably will agree that everybody, the entire society is better of by giving equal rights to blacks and women. Why should gays be any different?
 

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I've long watched the message board here but haven't posted until now (I like reading the debates more than participating). I had to say something about this though for it hits close to home.

My fiancee is from Iowa. To know she and I could, if we wished (and it was feasible) get married there now is such an amazing thing, I never thought I'd see it. Our relationship of ten years has been one of long distance - her there and me in New Brunswick - and limited to for a majority of that time one month a year visitation. I honestly love Iowa as much as I love my home here in Canada. It's been hard, but now with this things may just change for us both for the better in more ways than I personally thought it would a year ago.

So, thank you Iowa. This decision reaches beyond state borders.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Serryah, it is good to hear from you again (I assume you are form the Canada.com forum). But surely you could have got married in New Brunswick?