British MP banned from entering Canada
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People made the argument that Galloway not being a Canadian citizen factors into the reasoning of who our government can bar on a whim. Yes, 'whim' as I believed someone to have put it. However, if our government bars Canadians on a 'whim', well then maybe we should be asking ourselves, is it really citizenship that is the issue regarding Galloway? Or is it more about a government that has very interesting 'whims'?
People here would argue that it wasn't the government's decision to bar Galloway in the first place. However people should realize that if a British Member of Parliament does gets flagged for whatever reason, Immigration would or should not make the decision to bar such a person on their own.
Can you imagine the Canadian Government discovering that high ranking officials from England were being barred without their knowledge or discretion? Ok, now can you imagine control freak Harper not knowing and willfully being laid impotent in the face of such decisions? Normally heads would roll if agencies made such decisions which could effect our standings and relationships with other countries. Our government on the other hand will play the dead possum and say, 'This government doesn't weigh in on such decisions.'
I personally find that strange. That is like admitting to gross incompetence. However with Harper, it's just a normal day's work of avoiding responsibility once again.
Anyway, after making my point about who our government will have a 'whim' with, I was then asked to provide follow up. Being polite, I obliged.
You'll be happy to know that I must have read your mind from across the internet prior to you asking, and started up an individual thread for Mr. Abdelrazik forgotten Canadian self.
You're welcome.
I can not understand why he is allowed into the US and Canada looks at a deferent picture. Maybe Harper has something to do with it.
It could be due to the fact that Canada and the US are two different countries.;-)
First things first. Learn how to quote. If you don't know how to respond to multiple points the body of a message posted, ask for help. But don't toss up some dogs breakfast that makes discussion a problem.
Oh please. Israel is always under attack and when a day goes by without someone getting killed it's because someone else took the day off to rearm themselves. It's like watching a wrestling show where one puts his hand out to shake the other and the crowd all yells don't do it, he's faking. Everyone except you apparently knows that it's nothing more than a tactic to rearm and reload.
If you choose to commit war crimes, don't cry about war crimes.
Israel doesn't cry about rocket attacks, they go kill Palestinians.
If white phosphorus wounds bother Palestinians at all, then they should stop shooting rockets at Israel. I don't think it's reasonable to think that if someone is shooting at you, you have to wait until they hit you before you defend yourself. You know the old saying, don't bring a knife to a gun fight?
If Palestinians choose to raise their chilldren to attack and kill Israelis, then I won't loose any sleep over Palestinian children getting killed in response.
Yet here you are trying to justify it to me and everyone else who reads this board.
I give nothing to Israel. I didn't vote for Harper. I support Israel having a right to respond to attacks on their homeland and their people with as much force as they can muster.
The ambulance driver Hamas said Israel prevented from getting to injured people in Gaza.
Same thing.
I don't support either side. I support people who want to live in peace and raise their family and work to take care of themselves.
It's always the same BS every time. Like two drunks that just won't stop fighting. They blame each other, they continuously attack and over react to each other. No one can make an agreement, no one can abide living next to the other. It's stupid.
Oh please. Israel is always under attack and when a day goes by without someone getting killed it's because someone else took the day off to rearm themselves. It's like watching a wrestling show where one puts his hand out to shake the other and the crowd all yells don't do it, he's faking. Everyone except you apparently knows that it's nothing more than a tactic to rearm and reload.
Really? I see it all the time. Some of the most deceitful people on Earth have been seemingly pious religious leaders. I see a lot of hypocrisy as well. Complaining loudly about people doing to them what they do to others. Then denying that they do anything at all.
Hamas is a terrorist group, that's been established long ago. What proof is needed at this point? Who cares?
Yeah what ever. Do you think anyone is foolish enough to think giving Hamas a bunch of weapons to patrol and control their boarders so that the free flow of weapons to attack Israel might actually be believed? I mean by anyone other than hardcore Jew haters?
You've said Hamas has arrested anyone who has fired a rocket at Israel. It's a lie, you're a liar. Do you take offence at people calling you a liar when you lie? If so stop lieing and then all will be well. Nothing to worry forum rules about old bean.
Yeah, I can post the internet within this thread too but it doesn't change anything at all. Propaganda is propaganda.
The Palestinians had the chance at a home land just like Israel. They refused that and attacked Israel. They lost that war. They lost every war they started since Israel because a state. They lost everytime they attacked Israel. You aren't oppressed if you attack someone and lose. How many times have Palestinians attack Israelies?
You aren't oppressed if you attack people in their homeland and get beaten.
You haven't done a single thing. Posting crap you find on the Internet doesn't change anything at all. There is no possibility that you can justify attacks on Israel by Palestinians. If they ever stopped attacking Israel they would gain the sympathy of the rest of the world. But they just can't stop picking the same old fight with the country that continuosly kicks their butt. Poor poor Palestinians. They're idiots that don't know when to quit. Electing a terrorist group as a government isn't about to garner any trust and respect.
Every bit of it the bring upon themselves. Why do you think no one wants to give these Palestinians refuge in their country?
You would think that someone would get that this approach dismantling Israel's existance doesn't work. But you just can't talk to crazy people. Ask yourself why Israelis would want to get rid of people who walk into busy cafe or a bus and blows it up. The more Palestinians attack Israel the more Palestinians die and their land gets taken away from them. What part is confusing?
Ah of couse there is nothing at all wrong with that. But you sort of left out the part about just how much trouble Palestinians have brought upon themselves by killing Israeli civilians. You onlt deserve freedom if you are committed to allowing others to live free in freedom. You only deserve justice if you allow for justice for all.
Totally stupid. It's pretty clear that. Palesitians attacking Israelis is stupid. When you go and pick a fight, you don't get to say how hard that person hits you back. If you get hit harder than you feel you can stand, then you don't pick fights. Pretty simple isn't it? Palestinians had and have the opportunity to live in peace and enjoy the freedom that anyone else in a devekoped democratic country is able to. But only when they stop the war, and choose to live in peace. Until then, The Israelis are going to kick their butts everytime they start this war up. If someone over reacts in response to an attack, then don't attack them.
Israel wouldn't get away with the stuff they do now if Palestinians stopped. But we all know that they won't stop. So they get what they deserve.
If you choose to commit war crimes, don't cry about war crimes.
Israel doesn't cry about rocket attacks, they go kill Palestinians.
If white phosphorus wounds bother Palestinians at all, then they should stop shooting rockets at Israel. I don't think it's reasonable to think that if someone is shooting at you, you have to wait until they hit you before you defend yourself. You know the old saying, don't bring a knife to a gun fight?
If Palestinians choose to raise their chilldren to attack and kill Israelis, then I won't loose any sleep over Palestinian children getting killed in response.
Yet here you are trying to justify it to me and everyone else who reads this board.
I give nothing to Israel. I didn't vote for Harper. I support Israel having a right to respond to attacks on their homeland and their people with as much force as they can muster.
Colpy, you claim Hamas are liars. I challenged you to prove it. You can't.
I never challenged you on your other statements about Hamas. I agree with you. Hamas is a repugnant organization, but they are honest about how they are repugnant. I don't support Hamas but I support democracies. Hamas are the democratically elected representatives of the Palestinian people. No one has the right to choose who represents the Palestinians except the Palestinians. Yet you support the US and Israel choosing Abbas as the Palestinian dictator. Abbas's mandate expired in January 2009. His forces started the Palestinian civil war with an assassination attempt on the elected Hamas Prime Minister using US and Israeli supplied arms. With Israeli and American support, Fatah violently overthrew the democratically elected Palestinian government in the West Bank but so far has failed in Gaza.
Tell me again how you support the principles of a democracy again, yet support the US and Israel helping Fatah seize power by force in defiance of the will of the Palestinian people. Sounds to me like you are being a hypocrite.
I don't support Hamas for the same reason why I don't support Israel. You oppose Hamas because of their brutality. Good for you! We agree. Yet you support Israel's brutality.
Take a good look at those videos from the Guardian I posted above. Come back, tell me you don't support Hamas's brutality but do support Israel's brutality and prove yet again how you are a hypocrite. Or admit that Israel is guilty of far worse crimes than Hamas and then condemn both as I have.
You've often claimed Israel is a western style democracy. As Galloway remarked in his speech above, in true democracies everyone has equal rights. In Israel and the occupied territories, millions of people have had no right to vote at the national level for over 40 years. What kind of a democracy treats people differently? If you are Jewish Israeli you full rights, but if you live on the other side of the wall behind the razor wire and guard towers, you have no right to vote at the national level, no right to security, no right to food, no right to medical care and medicine, no right to a home, no right to employment and so on...
You've claimed Arab Israelis enjoy equality with Jews. BS! Sure this minority may have a right to vote, but they have little power to influence the Israeli government and lack many rights enjoyed by Jewish Israelis. Arab Israelis are second class citizens who have no right to live in certain areas, no right to renovate their homes, no right to build new homes, no right to education, and pretty soon no right to citizenship or the right to vote. If Lieberman has his way, Arab Israelis will be stripped of their Israeli citizenship and deported to the West Bank and Gaza where they will be treated as poorly as the rest of Israel's third class non-citizens.
There are only two true democractically elected governments in the middle east where everyone is treated equally and all their constituents have a vote. One leads Lebanon and the other is under seige in Gaza. The democratically elected Palestinian government is not a national government. If they were, they'd control their borders, have their own currency, collect taxes and be able to accept foreign aid without going through another government. But it is a democracy in that their constituents are treated equally and everyone has a vote. This fledgeling democracy is under constant threat of being violently overthrown by forces supported by Israel and the Unitied States. Many of their leaders are held as political prisoners in Israel's and Fatah's dungeons and torture chambers without ever being charged of a crime or accused of using violence. The anti-democratic forces have succeeded in the West Bank thanks to the US and Israel, yet have failed so far in Gaza.
Watch Galloway's video's above. Who knows you might realize what a hypocrite you've been, but I doubt it.
I never challenged you on your other statements about Hamas. I agree with you. Hamas is a repugnant organization, but they are honest about how they are repugnant. I don't support Hamas but I support democracies. Hamas are the democratically elected representatives of the Palestinian people. No one has the right to choose who represents the Palestinians except the Palestinians. Yet you support the US and Israel choosing Abbas as the Palestinian dictator. Abbas's mandate expired in January 2009. His forces started the Palestinian civil war with an assassination attempt on the elected Hamas Prime Minister using US and Israeli supplied arms. With Israeli and American support, Fatah violently overthrew the democratically elected Palestinian government in the West Bank but so far has failed in Gaza.
Tell me again how you support the principles of a democracy again, yet support the US and Israel helping Fatah seize power by force in defiance of the will of the Palestinian people. Sounds to me like you are being a hypocrite.
I don't support Hamas for the same reason why I don't support Israel. You oppose Hamas because of their brutality. Good for you! We agree. Yet you support Israel's brutality.
Take a good look at those videos from the Guardian I posted above. Come back, tell me you don't support Hamas's brutality but do support Israel's brutality and prove yet again how you are a hypocrite. Or admit that Israel is guilty of far worse crimes than Hamas and then condemn both as I have.
You've often claimed Israel is a western style democracy. As Galloway remarked in his speech above, in true democracies everyone has equal rights. In Israel and the occupied territories, millions of people have had no right to vote at the national level for over 40 years. What kind of a democracy treats people differently? If you are Jewish Israeli you full rights, but if you live on the other side of the wall behind the razor wire and guard towers, you have no right to vote at the national level, no right to security, no right to food, no right to medical care and medicine, no right to a home, no right to employment and so on...
You've claimed Arab Israelis enjoy equality with Jews. BS! Sure this minority may have a right to vote, but they have little power to influence the Israeli government and lack many rights enjoyed by Jewish Israelis. Arab Israelis are second class citizens who have no right to live in certain areas, no right to renovate their homes, no right to build new homes, no right to education, and pretty soon no right to citizenship or the right to vote. If Lieberman has his way, Arab Israelis will be stripped of their Israeli citizenship and deported to the West Bank and Gaza where they will be treated as poorly as the rest of Israel's third class non-citizens.
There are only two true democractically elected governments in the middle east where everyone is treated equally and all their constituents have a vote. One leads Lebanon and the other is under seige in Gaza. The democratically elected Palestinian government is not a national government. If they were, they'd control their borders, have their own currency, collect taxes and be able to accept foreign aid without going through another government. But it is a democracy in that their constituents are treated equally and everyone has a vote. This fledgeling democracy is under constant threat of being violently overthrown by forces supported by Israel and the Unitied States. Many of their leaders are held as political prisoners in Israel's and Fatah's dungeons and torture chambers without ever being charged of a crime or accused of using violence. The anti-democratic forces have succeeded in the West Bank thanks to the US and Israel, yet have failed so far in Gaza.
Watch Galloway's video's above. Who knows you might realize what a hypocrite you've been, but I doubt it.
The USA and Britain have some of the most strongest anti-terrorism laws as western nations. You are right that we are different. However, I'm not sure I like how we are being different.
We are our own nation. We make our own choices. I'm not sure I'm proud of this one. I don't feel it makes our country any more lawful, any more just, any more fair-minded, any more respected, any more safer, any more of anything but a target of ridicule.
I think these actions may lower our standards, our standings.
Ah, but maybe I'm speaking to the choir, and each citizen has different priorities with different cares as to what our government does and how they represent us. Kind of like human rights or gun registry? Such a toss up, I can't make up my mind as to what our priorities should be focused on.
You believe that is a lie? You obviously didn't watch any of the videos from the Guardian I posted on the previous page. Not only did that happen, it happened repeatedly and one incident was caught on video. For your convenience I'll repost it:
Click here and watch at least the first minute:
YouTube - Guardian investigation uncovers evidence of alleged Israeli war crimes in Gaza Part 2
specifically the scene from 30-50 seconds.
Watch the other Guardian videos and you'll see proof that 90% of what you believe is complete BS.
I said Hamas never fired a single rocket from the start of the ceasefire in June 2008 until they attacked by Israel on November 4, 2008. Even Israel admits that a fact:
YouTube - Who Broke The Cease Fire - Hamas or Israel 2008
In fact not only did Hamas not fire any rockets at Israel during that period as per their word, they also arrested anyone who did:
Hamas arrests militants after rocket fire | Reuters
Not only that, since they declared a ceasefire in January 2009, they haven't fired a single rocket or mortar at Israel as per their word and continue to arrest anyone who does:
Israeli News Source
Hamas nabs Islamic Jihad gunman behind attack on IDF - Israel News, Ynetnews
Maybe you should inform yourself regarding the facts. You obviously know little beyond pro-Israeli propaganda which permeates our news and fills your head with BS.
Here is some recommended reading:
This 2008 Amnesty International Annual Report regarding events of 2007 is out of date, but at least its objective:
Amnesty International Report 2008 •
This website should bring you up to speed quickly on a lot of facts you obviously are ignorant about:
If Americans Knew - what every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine
This Israeli Human Rights Group is an objective source of recent information:
B'Tselem - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories
Also regarding the history of this conflict I recommend you read what this Jewish Israeli historian has discovered during his recent research of Israeli military archives:
Ilan Pappe on How Israel was Founded on Ethnic Cleansing :: The Official Website of Ilan Pappé
BTW, I don't hate Israelis, Palestinians or even ignorant people like yourself. (Sorry but I feel that's an accurate description and I don't mean to be insulting)
I feel sorry for people who are full of hate and misinformed like yourself. Read my posts carefully and you will see I consistently try to present the truth as I know it and post rebuttals to misinformed posts. I admit I could be more polite and tactful. Sorry, but I am passionate about human rights and I see this issue as the one that Canadians and Americans are by far the most misinformed in a way that they support war crimes and crimes against humanity.
I believe in the fundament goodness of the majority of people. That's why I'm confident that if people were objectively informed about this conflict they would not support Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity, they would not support the oppression and injustice suffered by Palestinians as you obviously do. Your ignorance makes you an accomplice. Sadly you are not alone.
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Of course you are right. Everyone lies, especially on the little stuff. Yes I love your hair (pink and purple). Your baby is cute (has ears like dumbo)... and so on.
But it would be a deliberate lie to claim for example that the IDF fires at medics when they didn't. Despite my critics attempts discredit me with a pro-Hamas label, I'm no fan of Hamas. I read statements from both sides and judge according to the facts as I know them. I can prove Israel's leaders deliberately lie and cover up the truth. They are like the Bush regime who sold so many whoppers, they should get kickbacks from Burger King. I can't say the same thing about Hamas's leaders.
Hamas's leaders are Muslim Fundamentalists. Say what you like about their extreme intolerant viewpoint, they don't deliberately lie or decieve and they keep their word... unlike Israel's leaders. As elevennele observed a ways back, they are honest about how they are going to kill you.
But recognizing that Hamas is honest doesn't mean I like or support them. I'd rather have a leader who is intelligent tolerant liar who genuinely wants to make the world a better place(President Bill Clinton) than a honest intolerant zealot (Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei).
Back on subject, I'm not 100% sure about Galloway, but I feel he is also passionate about ending oppression and injustice. If you haven't seen the videos from the first post in this string, take a moment to see them. The man doesn't take abuse from anyone and he argues his points better than anyone I've seen. His critics may disagree with him, but I doubt they'd beat him in a debate.
Galloway was not banned because he is a terrorist threat. He was banned because a group called the Jewish Defense League didn't like what he had to say and wrote a an open letter to the Harper government which triggered Canada's reaction.
TheStar.com | Canada | Jewish group proud of role in barring Galloway
So I've done some research regarding the JDL.
In the past some members in the US have committed terrorist acts:
From the Anti-Defamation League Website:
(The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry.)
Backgrounder:The Jewish Defense League
Other information about them here:
START | Terrorist Organization Profile
Well they sound kind of nasty, but I'm hesitant to label an entire group based on the actions of a few individuals. So I did more research.
The activities of some of their members in the US clearly fall into the category of terrorism. The refusal of the US organization to condemn these member's violent acts imply tacit approval.
But I see no evidence of extremism in the Canadian chapter.
Canada does not list the JDL as a terrorist group, so it appears they stick to legal means in Canada, like lobbying to ban Galloway from entering Canada as is their right.
Sounds legal and actually mostly worthwhile. So I went to their website again:
To tell the truth, the Canadian Chapter seems rather well behaved and appears to stick within the law. An open letter to ban Galloway's entry to Canada is legal. So is the orderly picketing and protesting of actions, meetings and people they don't like... In fact I could see myself joining some of their protests, though I doubt I'd be welcome...
OK I was going to write something nasty about them, but I changed my mind based on their activities, which honestly I find myself supporting in the spirit of free speech and anti-racism.
But I disagree with them regarding Galloway. Galloway is no bigot and no enemy of Jews. He's the type of person who would have spoke up about anti-Semiticism in Nazi Germany or hidden a Jew in his home.
The JDL could learn a little from this story:
Israel's security isn't enhanced by committing war crimes and crimes against humanity. Not everyone who objects to Palestinian oppression and injustice are anti-Semitic. The same people who fight injustice and oppression regarding Palestinians will also fight injustice and oppression regarding Jews. For people like myself, I see it as the same fight.
The JDL should distinguish between anti-Semiticism and people who are passionate about fighting oppression and injustice. We are not your enemy. In fact, if Israel keeps pissing off the 1.5 billion Arabs and Muslims living nearby, eventually that country will be overrun by its adversaries. If that day ever comes, you'll see me pushing to allow Israeli refugees into Canada.
If this group really is afraid that Jews are threatened by rising anti-Semiticism, the worst thing they could do is all go to one tiny little spot of land and commit atrocities, war crimes and crimes against humanity against the locals. Sounds sort of suicidal to me.
TheStar.com | Canada | Jewish group proud of role in barring Galloway
So I've done some research regarding the JDL.
In the past some members in the US have committed terrorist acts:
From the Anti-Defamation League Website:
(The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry.)
Backgrounder:The Jewish Defense League
Other information about them here:
START | Terrorist Organization Profile
Well they sound kind of nasty, but I'm hesitant to label an entire group based on the actions of a few individuals. So I did more research.
The activities of some of their members in the US clearly fall into the category of terrorism. The refusal of the US organization to condemn these member's violent acts imply tacit approval.
But I see no evidence of extremism in the Canadian chapter.
Canada does not list the JDL as a terrorist group, so it appears they stick to legal means in Canada, like lobbying to ban Galloway from entering Canada as is their right.
Sounds legal and actually mostly worthwhile. So I went to their website again:
Can't argue with that statement or many others on that webpage.
That comment sounds racist.
I agree that anyone chanting "Death to Jews" is preaching hatred IMO. I did not support Israel's actions during the 2006 battle with Lebanon, but I would never say "Death to Jews". In fact, I'd be pissed if I heard someone say that, and I'm not Jewish.
Sounds a little paranoid, but my ancestors never survived the holocaust.
To tell the truth, the Canadian Chapter seems rather well behaved and appears to stick within the law. An open letter to ban Galloway's entry to Canada is legal. So is the orderly picketing and protesting of actions, meetings and people they don't like... In fact I could see myself joining some of their protests, though I doubt I'd be welcome...
OK I was going to write something nasty about them, but I changed my mind based on their activities, which honestly I find myself supporting in the spirit of free speech and anti-racism.
But I disagree with them regarding Galloway. Galloway is no bigot and no enemy of Jews. He's the type of person who would have spoke up about anti-Semiticism in Nazi Germany or hidden a Jew in his home.
The JDL could learn a little from this story:
Israel's security isn't enhanced by committing war crimes and crimes against humanity. Not everyone who objects to Palestinian oppression and injustice are anti-Semitic. The same people who fight injustice and oppression regarding Palestinians will also fight injustice and oppression regarding Jews. For people like myself, I see it as the same fight.
The JDL should distinguish between anti-Semiticism and people who are passionate about fighting oppression and injustice. We are not your enemy. In fact, if Israel keeps pissing off the 1.5 billion Arabs and Muslims living nearby, eventually that country will be overrun by its adversaries. If that day ever comes, you'll see me pushing to allow Israeli refugees into Canada.
If this group really is afraid that Jews are threatened by rising anti-Semiticism, the worst thing they could do is all go to one tiny little spot of land and commit atrocities, war crimes and crimes against humanity against the locals. Sounds sort of suicidal to me.
From today's editorial in the Edmonton Journal..
Quote:
"But that proper vigilance shouldn't be confused with jettisoning the core values our troops have fought and died for, and continue to defend. Only a few weeks ago, rogue British MP George Galloway was mercifully unheard of in these parts. Thanks to the overreaction of the Canadian Border Services Agency, keenly supported by Immigration Minister Jason Kenney and backed up by a judge, Galloway -- denied entry to Canada -- has become a cause célèbre. It was absolutely avoidable by simply hewing to our traditions of free speech."
Quote:
"But that proper vigilance shouldn't be confused with jettisoning the core values our troops have fought and died for, and continue to defend. Only a few weeks ago, rogue British MP George Galloway was mercifully unheard of in these parts. Thanks to the overreaction of the Canadian Border Services Agency, keenly supported by Immigration Minister Jason Kenney and backed up by a judge, Galloway -- denied entry to Canada -- has become a cause célèbre. It was absolutely avoidable by simply hewing to our traditions of free speech."
...or, considering the law that banned Galloway was brought in before Harper became PM, maybe it didn't.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the attitude of the Edmonton Sun was quite different.
Everything that is said about the war between the Palestinians and the Israelies is a lie. They you consistantly say one side is bad while the other side is good, is perhaps the biggest lie of all.
{quote]Click here and watch at least the first minute:
specifically the scene from 30-50 seconds.[/quote]
Do you even know what the word propaganda means? It's like some right wing hack posting BS from Fox News and astounded that anyone might consider it anything but gospel.
Because you say it is? You don't even know what it is I believe. Again you simply make up a lie. You know, when you lie like that people start to disbelieve everything you say. I have to admit that I am there now. And that you can believe.
How many times have Palestinians and Israelis attacked each other since 1947?
Oh good let's have a look at the Hamas court proceedings and trial outcome for these terrorists. Where are they being held and what were they convicted for and sentenced to?
See above.
I see, the only way for me to get rid of the pro-Israeli propaganda you say is in my head is to fill it with pro-Palestinian propaganda.
How is that better?
Here is some recommended reading:
Of course you do. Maybe you think that if you just say you don't, then someone will believe your lies. Maybe even you. But have no fear, you can't insult me.
What you say shows you know nothing. You can say your ten feet tall and have candy floss falling out your butt, it changes nothing. Either side is guilty of war crimes. Saying that you stand up against Israeli war crimes while glossing over Hamas war crimes makes you no different than anyone else. That you choose to over look the questions I have asked you in the last response tells me that you aren't much interested in discussion, and are only here to repeat the propaganda you have posted over and over and over again.
Bah! Attempting to assign guilt is making me laugh. By that logic, Rwanda is your fault. You're a terrorist because you don't condem a terrorist group. And of course global warming is all your fault because you didn't stop it. :roll:
Palestinians choose to live this way. It's not my place to treat them like children and clean up their mess. If they want to continue war with Israel through terrorism then they create their own future. Go ahead and cry about it. Make no difference to me.
EOA.....You've got more patience than I have. I'm outa here. I don't know why you bother to debate with most of the posters in this thread. With few exceptions, most have no idea on how to frame an argument and back it up without insulting and denigrating those they differ with. The quality of debate here is not worth the effort.