Wearing Helmets

shadowshiv

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I agree about kids. They haven't got a full capacity for understanding responsibilities and consequences at times.

Yep. A good measuring stick for this is the amount of trees that are climbed. I recall climbing quite a few when I was a kid.

Only fell out of a couple of them.;-)
 

#juan

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With all due respect to Natasha Richardson, I wonder if a helmet would have done her any good. I have skied for most of my life and I have taken some nasty bumps without a helmet. I'm not as aggressive as I used to be but the thought of falling is not something I worry about. What I do worry about is braking a leg, because it lays you up for a long time and deprives you of needed exercise.
 

Unforgiven

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I've skied for years on some world class mountains out West. Never hurt anything more than my pride. Some things have a risk factor to them. That's sometimes part of the appeal. Falling down is a big part of skiing and that's just the way it is. Millions of falls on mountains result in nothing more than hopefully a learning opportunity. But once in a while, someone dies from it. Sadly that's life.

Some people get hit by a bus, some don't.

It's sad that this lady died from hitting her head while falling on a ski trip. But she like the rest of us, owes one death. There is no way around it and each will face that sooner or later. Who here can pick the time and way in which they will die?

Helmets won't do anything to prevent people from dieing when their number comes up. You can just as easily break your neck. Have a heart attack or stroke or simply face plant into the base of a tree.

Perhaps a better way of approaching life is to go out and have fun and should your number come up as it surely will some day, at least you've had a good time and lived a full life unafraid and happy.
 

JLM

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I've skied for years on some world class mountains out West. Never hurt anything more than my pride. Some things have a risk factor to them. That's sometimes part of the appeal. Falling down is a big part of skiing and that's just the way it is. Millions of falls on mountains result in nothing more than hopefully a learning opportunity. But once in a while, someone dies from it. Sadly that's life.

Some people get hit by a bus, some don't.

It's sad that this lady died from hitting her head while falling on a ski trip. But she like the rest of us, owes one death. There is no way around it and each will face that sooner or later. Who here can pick the time and way in which they will die?

Helmets won't do anything to prevent people from dieing when their number comes up. You can just as easily break your neck. Have a heart attack or stroke or simply face plant into the base of a tree.

Perhaps a better way of approaching life is to go out and have fun and should your number come up as it surely will some day, at least you've had a good time and lived a full life unafraid and happy.

It sounds like from what you say, it would be wise to wear the helmet.
 

petros

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By simply reducing head injuries violent crime, alcoholism, drug abuse, WCB, welfare programs and over all health care all get cut by 30-40%.
 

petros

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CDC Brain Injury Statistics

The epidemiology and impact of traumatic brain injury is reported by the Centers for Disease Control in the September-October issue of the Journal of Head Trauma Rehabilitation, Vol 21, No 5, and the picture is far from pretty.

Here is a summary of the alarming report of a true public health crisis:
  • Globally, at least 10 million traumatic brain injuries occur annually which result in either serious injury or death.
  • In the United States, an average of 1.4 million TBI's occur each year, but this number is really an underestimate of the true magnitude of traumatic brain injuries because it does not take into account persons treated for TBI in doctor's offices or in hospital clinics.
  • Males are twice as likely as females to experience a traumatic brain injury with the largest age groups being children 0 to 4 years, adolescents aged 15 to 19 years and for hospitalizations, senior citizens 75 years of age or older.
  • As many as 87% of persons incarcerated in prison report a history of head injury.
  • The leading causes of TBI are falls, motor vehicle crashes, being struck or banging your head against an object and assaults.
  • Concussions in sporting activities are severely underestimated using existing national data sets since most information comes from studies that only take into account an injury where there is a loss of consciousness. This may only account for 8 to 19% of all concussions in sports. Taking into account a more accurate definition of concussion, the CDC estimates that there can be as many as 1.6 million to 3.8 million sports related TBI's each year.
Here is what the CDC is what the CDC says about the long term consequences of brain injury:
"Traumatic brain injury can result in longterm or lifelong physical, cognitive, behavior and emotional consequences. Even mild TBI, including concussion, can cause long-term cognitive problems that affect a person's ability to perform daily activities and return to work. As a result of these consequences, TBI is one of the most disabling injuries."
Pretty frightening evidence from the CDC that more attention and research must be devoted to this public health crisis.
 

shadowshiv

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The city built a skatepark here, and one rule is helmets are mandatory. it's also mandatory to wear a helmet when on the ice at any of the city rinks.

Thanks. That is good to hear. Less chance of being sued by someone getting hurt that way.
 

DavidB

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In many circumstances it is wise to wear a helmet. I feel it's a personal choice in most things. Don't you think so?


I agree. It should be a personal decision. Government already has its nose in too many places; forcing people to wear helmets while skiing shouldn't be something else. And having such a policy be motivated by the medical costs it might save is not much of a reason at all. It seems like too many "Big Brother"-type laws have been introduced because of medicare costs. For example, there are by-laws against smoking at work, smoking in bars, smoking in restaurants, smoking on outdoor patios, etc., all motivated by the desire to cut medicare costs. I am not a smoker, but I have to wonder: how far are we going to go towards becoming a police state country in the name of controlling costs of big programs that probably should be completely revamped, or terminated outright, in the first place? If I had to choose between turning Canada into a Police State and shutting down Medicare, I would choose to shut down Medicare. (I am not a fan of our big, expensive, nationally-destructive, social programs.)

I think the same motive was in place for the laws regarding seat belts in cars, helmets while bicycling, etc. Not only are these laws motivated by bad reasons, they are turning Canadians into soft wimps.
 

JLM

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I agree. It should be a personal decision. Government already has its nose in too many places; forcing people to wear helmets while skiing shouldn't be something else. And having such a policy be motivated by the medical costs it might save is not much of a reason at all. It seems like too many "Big Brother"-type laws have been introduced because of medicare costs. For example, there are by-laws against smoking at work, smoking in bars, smoking in restaurants, smoking on outdoor patios, etc., all motivated by the desire to cut medicare costs. I am not a smoker, but I have to wonder: how far are we going to go towards becoming a police state country in the name of controlling costs of big programs that probably should be completely revamped, or terminated outright, in the first place? If I had to choose between turning Canada into a Police State and shutting down Medicare, I would choose to shut down Medicare. (I am not a fan of our big, expensive, nationally-destructive, social programs.)

I think the same motive was in place for the laws regarding seat belts in cars, helmets while bicycling, etc. Not only are these laws motivated by bad reasons, they are turning Canadians into soft wimps.

Right bang on David B. - but I'd add one caviat - once you make the decision not to wear the helmet, then you should sign a waiver stating that the gov't. or other agencies are null and void of any responsibility to provide for cost of injuries or financial support in the event you become incapacitated. They can't have it both ways.
 

Risus

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Right bang on David B. - but I'd add one caviat - once you make the decision not to wear the helmet, then you should sign a waiver stating that the gov't. or other agencies are null and void of any responsibility to provide for cost of injuries or financial support in the event you become incapacitated. They can't have it both ways.
Insurance companies could also write it into their policies that if you are not 'protected' you are not covered.