British MP banned from entering Canada

[Ron in Regina]

I just took about 40 seconds and Googled "British PM Jason
Kenney financially supports terrorism" and this is the first of
320 related articles: Canada bars British MP over Hamas support - Israel News, Ynetnews

"Immigration office denies George Galloway entry, says won't give
special treatment to 'street-corner Cromwell who brags about giving
'financial support' to Hamas' "

"This week, Galloway traveled to Gaza at the head of a humanitarian convoy.
He praised the Palestinian "resistance" and condemned Israel's 22-day offensive
launched in December, in which 1,300 Palestinians died, as "genocidal
aggression." "


"The MP also donated thousands of dollars and dozens of vehicles to the Hamas-
run government in the Gaza Strip."

I've been bouncing back and forth between several Threads, &
if someone else has already done the same Google search, I
apologize.

 

[CDNBear]

Since you are new to this forum, perhaps we should clarify a few things to help prevent you from looking any more foolish than you already do. I'm not sure how other forums you have been to worked but here, we generally try and have a basic understanding of an issue before we come to a thread and start commenting or alternatively, we may come to the thread and announce that we have a limited understanding and ask for guidance or opinions to get a clearer picture.

Now, in this particular case, we aren't talking about elves in your garden. There is more information out there with regards to Galloway then you could shake a stick at and asking for "proof" of well documented claims, statements and positions is just plain silly. If I am to be constantly asked to prove that the sky is blue or the earth is flat so that you can participate fully in the conversations, I shant be doing that and I would suggest you try the forums at www.anally_obtuse_people.com

That was beautifully put Cannuck, and actually made me laugh out loud.

I tried to give you more rep, but damn if the system doesn't think I'm being sycophantic.

 

[OkiefromMuskoki]

The government will not overturn the decision for someone "who only recently bragged about providing financial support for Hamas, which is a banned terrorist organization in Canada," Alykhan Velshi said.

So a government spokesperson trying to justify a controversial government decision (that his boss has made) making a statement (that his boss had approved and that is very likely out of context) is good enough for you?

It's obvious that you have not had much practice in having to justify controversial posts.

 

[CDNBear]

I just took about 40 seconds and Googled "British PM Jason
Kenney financially supports terrorism" and this is the first of
320 related articles: Canada bars British MP over Hamas support - Israel News, Ynetnews

"Immigration office denies George Galloway entry, says won't give
special treatment to 'street-corner Cromwell who brags about giving
'financial support' to Hamas' "

"This week, Galloway traveled to Gaza at the head of a humanitarian convoy.
He praised the Palestinian "resistance" and condemned Israel's 22-day offensive
launched in December, in which 1,300 Palestinians died, as "genocidal
aggression." "


"The MP also donated thousands of dollars and dozens of vehicles to the Hamas-
run government in the Gaza Strip."

I've been bouncing back and forth between several Threads, &
if someone else has already done the same Google search, I
apologize.

NP Ron,

I already had several of those quotes bookmarked. But I was reluctant to use them. I don't like using newspaper articles as supporting facts. They can be out of context and/or not consistent with the truth.

But since I can not find a claim of malice, filed our otherwise stated from Galloway's camp. I have to assume that these statements are indeed factual and he did indeed use the title 'Hamas' in his commentary.

Which under Canadian law, would make him a financial supporter of a criminal/terrorist organization.

I'm still not quite able to grasp how this whole thing fits into censorship though...:lol:

 

[OkiefromMuskoki]

we generally try and have a basic understanding of an issue before we come to a thread and start commenting or alternatively, we may come to the thread and announce that we have a limited understanding and ask for guidance or opinions to get a clearer picture.

Obviously, your idea of an "understanding" of a topic is nothing more than your opinion. Like I said, you're not used to being challenged.

 

[CDNBear]

The government will not overturn the decision for someone "who only recently bragged about providing financial support for Hamas, which is a banned terrorist organization in Canada," Alykhan Velshi said.

So a government spokesperson trying to justify a controversial government decision (that his boss has made) making a statement (that his boss had approved and that is very likely out of context) is good enough for you?

It's obvious that you have not had much practice in having to justify controversial posts.

Again, please do try to keep up. Kenney had nothing to do with it. That's a pretty big detail to omit...non?

In fact, Kenney, is doing an excellent job at not trying to skirt or make an exemption in this case. Which I fully agree with. As he has done with other undesirables.

And again, the Federal Gov't, as in the present leadership, had nothing to do with this decision. An employee, an impartial bureaucrat.

And I'ld like to see you pull a rabbit out of your ass and prove that that person has some agenda.

 

[Cannuck]

Obviously, your idea of an "understanding" of a topic is nothing more than your opinion. Like I said, you're not used to being challenged.

When it comes to this type of topic, you are absolutely right. I am not used to being challenged but i do like a challenge so hopefully you can find somebody that can give me a run.

 

[CDNBear]

we generally try and have a basic understanding of an issue before we come to a thread and start commenting or alternatively, we may come to the thread and announce that we have a limited understanding and ask for guidance or opinions to get a clearer picture.

Obviously, your idea of an "understanding" of a topic is nothing more than your opinion. Like I said, you're not used to being challenged.

Where's the challenge.

My only challenge here is to keep up with the asinine comments and questions you post. Exposing an inept and extreme lack of knowledge in this area.

And again...

"Wise men speak, because they something to say. But fools speak, because they have to say something"

I'm only posting that again, in the hopes you grasp what it is I'm trying to tell you here.

I understand critical thought isn't you fortey. But damn, having some sort of grasp of the conversation helps.

 

[CDNBear]

When it comes to this type of topic, you are absolutely right. I am not used to being challenged but i do like a challenge so hopefully you can find somebody that can give me a run.

 

[OkiefromMuskoki]

"This week, Galloway traveled to Gaza at the head of a humanitarian convoy.
He praised the Palestinian "resistance" and condemned Israel's 22-day offensive
launched in December, in which 1,300 Palestinians died, as "genocidal
aggression." "


"The MP also donated thousands of dollars and dozens of vehicles to the Hamas-
run government in the Gaza Strip."

Delivering humanitarian aid to the Gaza citizens is NOT supporting terrorism. Delivering ambulances and fire trucks to Gaza is NOT supporting terrorism.
Praising the Palestinian "resistance" is NOT supporting terrorism.
Condemning Israel's aggression by using the term "genocidal" is not supporting terrorism.

Attempting to use these in defence of your position in this thread is not even good "spin".

So, we are still waiting....zzzzz

 

[gerryh]

"This week, Galloway traveled to Gaza at the head of a humanitarian convoy.
He praised the Palestinian "resistance" and condemned Israel's 22-day offensive
launched in December, in which 1,300 Palestinians died, as "genocidal
aggression." "


"The MP also donated thousands of dollars and dozens of vehicles to the Hamas-
run government in the Gaza Strip."

Delivering humanitarian aid to the Gaza citizens is NOT supporting terrorism. Delivering ambulances and fire trucks to Gaza is NOT supporting terrorism.
Praising the Palestinian "resistance" is NOT supporting terrorism.
Condemning Israel's aggression by using the term "genocidal" is not supporting terrorism.

Attempting to use these in defence of your position in this thread is not even good "spin".

So, we are still waiting....zzzzz

waiting for what? You've been given your proof. Hamas is considered a terrorist organisation by the Canadian Government. Giving money and equipment to Hamas is financial support to a terrorist organisation.

 

[Cannuck]

So, we are still waiting....zzzzz

So am I.

If you can show me what difference it would make I'd be glad to.

 

[CDNBear]

"This week, Galloway traveled to Gaza at the head of a humanitarian convoy.
He praised the Palestinian "resistance" and condemned Israel's 22-day offensive
launched in December, in which 1,300 Palestinians died, as "genocidal
aggression." "


"The MP also donated thousands of dollars and dozens of vehicles to the Hamas-
run government in the Gaza Strip."

Delivering humanitarian aid to the Gaza citizens is NOT supporting terrorism. Delivering ambulances and fire trucks to Gaza is NOT supporting terrorism.
Praising the Palestinian "resistance" is NOT supporting terrorism.
Condemning Israel's aggression by using the term "genocidal" is not supporting terrorism.

Attempting to use these in defence of your position in this thread is not even good "spin".

So, we are still waiting....zzzzz

Ummm, I don't know if you understand the concept of sematics, but you're arguing them. Badly I might add.

He didn't deliver aid or goods to the citizens of Gaza. He delivered them directly to the Hamas Gov't.

Do you know anything about them?

And please don't start spouting that they were democratically elected. They won through shear murder and intimidation. A well documented fact. Hence their presence on our 'no good' list.

 

[OkiefromMuskoki]

If you folks would spend less time making up clever insults and more time researching your claims, you just might be seen as more than cyber bullies.

 

[OkiefromMuskoki]

He didn't deliver aid or goods to the citizens of Gaza. He delivered them directly to the Hamas Gov't.

Perhaps you could tell us just how to deliver aid to Gazans without going through the Gaza government?

 

[Cannuck]

Perhaps you could tell us just how to deliver aid to Gazans without going through the Gaza government?

Ask the UN. They seem to be able to get the job done (when Hamas isn't stealing stuff)

 

[CDNBear]

He didn't deliver aid or goods to the citizens of Gaza. He delivered them directly to the Hamas Gov't.

Perhaps you could tell us just how to deliver aid to Gazans without going through the Gaza government?

:roll:

The UN seems to be able to do so. The Red Cross seems to do so. Hell, I think there's about another dozen aid groups/agencies doing so.

If you folks would spend less time making up clever insults and more time researching your claims, you just might be seen as more than cyber bullies.

Pot meet kettle...Zzzz

At least we research. At least we have a grasp of what's going on and the pertinent facts of the situation.

That's more then I can say for the Pot...Zzzz

:roll:

 

[Ron in Regina]

Lets stay on the topic and step away from personal attacks.

 

[OkiefromMuskoki]

I hate to break this to you but both the UN and the Red Cross operate under the auspices of the Gaza government.

 

[CDNBear]

Lets stay on the topic and step away from personal attacks.

I see you'll be as much fun as Zan...;-)