Man dies after Taser shock by police at Vancouver airport
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What part about filing false reports do you not understand – what part about all 4 arriving and in 30 seconds start tasering the man – No Plan - just over reaction – No professionalism what so ever –
They had pepper spray, batons – 4 healthy young men – Each of their stories, really fables that they submitted have been shown to be grossly in error and false – They lied – If it was not for the video this inquiry would not have occurred
Now a question –
Where were you – have you read any of the testimony – seen the news reports – watched the video – listened to each Officer, and I use that term loosely, retract their written statement with the last one being an outright liar –
Disciplinary action and turfed from the RCMP – Their actions are a stain on all Police Officers that do their jobs and do it well -
With out the video, this cop could even be seen as a Hero by some....The testimony we are hearing from the cops is the way they are trained ..... Always Protect their members and the RCMP name even with video evidence showing they are cowards and incompetent............Its called scarlet fever
The guy was calling for the police it's too bad the RCMP don't understand Polish, according to the news one RCMP officer zapped him five times.
You weren't there, you don't know the facts. Don't jump to conclusions you want
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No, it was the victim who was out of control when the police entered the room.
Wouldn't that be your opinion and therefore your conclusion?
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You're right as usual Goober, no use discussing things with people who have an ulterior agenda.
I've always thought of you as a reasonable and fair man JLM. This post shocks me. The police arrived at the airport to a man out of control. Yes - he was holding a stapler and throwing stuff around. Would you not think you had arrived to find a rather crazed person with someone doing this. Now, the one member who tasered this man (first time he had used the taser), tasered him under orders from a more senior officer. He was ordered to taser him once more. I'm having to assume that since the policeman used his taser 3 more times his adrenaline was really pumping. Particularly since he himself does not remember the 5th shot even though his taser shows it was fired. There is no excuse for what happened and it was not a power trip. I watched the member on TV. He is young. I don't know how many years or maybe months of service he has. What he did was wrong but he did not commit murder. Murder is a planned event. Second degree murder is still murder but without intent to kill. They did not even arrive there planning to hurt this man. How can you cry MURDER in big loud letters? :-( Send these letters to the Commissioner you say. Do you think for one minute that he is not on top of this? These days, the Commissioner of the RCMP is a civilian. He is a person who has never gone through the ranks. Because of the last Commissioners poor job of leading the Force, a decision was made to move to this style of leading the force. So for the first time in history, no one can make their way up through the ranks and become the head of the RCMP. This occurred because of the mess of the pension plan.
It has already been announced and I have said it on here more than once, that the RCMP have limited the use of the taser. That means a lesson has been learned. It is already understood that it is not to be used with the exception of a dangerous situation. True life and death situation.
My husband and I are guessing that the members in question are being coached by their lawyers and it's bad. They should have just gone on the stand and told the story as it un-folded and it would be far more credible even though the end result would be the same. Meaning the victim would still be dead. You have mentioned that emotions are a good thing and that it gets people moving. That doesn't mean it gets them moving in the right direction. I think you have a lot more thinking to do.
Poland apparently has the right to do their own investigating. The end result is that they cannot lay charges against anyone. They can ban someone from their country but I doubt that would mean much to a lot of people who have never been there and are not planning on going. People get banned from these forums.
It has already been announced and I have said it on here more than once, that the RCMP have limited the use of the taser. That means a lesson has been learned
Whew :roll:. Glad that's been settled. Lessoned learned..onto chapter four kids. Today we'll talk about....
SHIIIT!!! Wait a second.... A GUY IS DEAD from police actions. 8O
Is that it. Lessoned learned... move along... todays a new day... no sense crying over spilt milk... tut, tut. stiff upper lip chaps. Me bad :-(
What are the consequences? When a person kills somebody society generally expects there to be a consequence or complete exoneration
The way the "defendants" have been coached, lied their butts off and all of the extraneous evidence would indicate they are guilty of manslaughter.
Minimum Consequence
Lose of jobs
2 yrs plus a day (Federal Pen) in General population and;
$10,000,000 settlement for the family
Anything less would be a travesty
I agree that they need some disciplinary action but they do not need to be turfed as you put it. What would you learn if for the first time in your life, you shot a man with a weapon you were told would stun him (hence the term Stun Gun) and you killed him with it? One line of discipline already delivered, right! Now you have learned that the stun gun goes beyond stun. It kills. You are very biased. Are you heading up the lynch mob? :icon_smile: Just wondering?
Lynch mob...??? How about just plain old justice
Islandpacific
Your facts are off base here – No order to use the Taser was given – As to listening to their lawyers and you seem to blame them for this, the Officers, all 4 provided false and deliberately misleading statement. Their lawyers are doing their best to protect liars – hard as it is when the video shows that their statements were contrived to protect and serve the others in their group –Their written statements are now classed as false and totally misleading – they were trying to cover each others ass – Then when the RCMP made their public statements shortly after the man died these were based upon the 4 Officers statements – They lied to the Brass and the investigators –
Then as they say God would have it, the video showed them for what they are – Liars, incompetent and not deserving to wear the Serge –
They should be turfed from the force –
No order was given to use the Taser – He was not a direct and imminent threat to anyone – The Officer deployed the Taser within 30 seconds not even taking the time to try and calm the man down and 30 seconds does not cut it – He panicked when he had more than enough resources at hand to take the man down – 4 young healthy fit Officers with batons and pepper spray and they went the route of the Taser because of the convenience of it. That convenience killed a man – No marks on the Officers, no injuries and small they would be, if any would have occurred in a 4 on 1 takedown –
Now murder is not on the list of what they could be convicted of but surely Manslaughter is -
Do some searches and find their statements compared to their testimony where they all, each and everyone were caught in their lies – so before you slam JLM do the research instead of blindly following the blind,
IP, you're kind of bebopping between condemning bad procedure and condemning people who don't like bad procedure ... and changing direction with a velocity attributed to flying saucers. Careful ... whiplash comes from jinking about like that.
Good day Island Pacific, no offence to your post, but please hear this, to start the 4 cops lied on their reports not knowing that someone took a video clip, after the cops realized that a video has captured the entire incident the cops asked for the video and would not give it back until the lawyer asked for the video back, while the video has a clear picture of the time the cops arrived, to the point the man is on the floor 4 thugs are on top of him guarding the body while the soul has been evicted from the mans body.
Looking at this facts,
You, sitting there talking nonsense, it makes you look not only bias, but rather oblivious to the fact that the 4 cops out numbered the poor disorientated immigrant in weaponry 8 to 1,
So, you are making your self look bad sitting here yak yak yak yak with no real contribution to the problem, defending 4 liars who don’t give a rats arss about justice well then, I really hope you are never asked to perform jury duty, because people like you will make a mockery of justice.
Get it through your head,
the AirPort first, and the cops second contributed to a man death because both were ill equipped.
You just hope you don’t end up at the wrong place at the wrong time while your civil liberties are trampled upon and then you will see what justice is all about.
The thug you were defending may lie in court against you if his arss is on the line. It doesn’t take much to be fair , just warm human compassion, not self serving righteousness B sh!t.
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Well Goober, I have not watched the video in quite some time but I believe right in the video you hear the order to use the taser. The member who used the taser stated on TV that he was ordered to shoot a second time. No one asked about the next 3 shots. He also said he set the gun on another way of shooting it so that it could be used directly against a person as opposed to from a distance. I forget what they called it. I know they are lying. I don't believe for a moment that just the 4 of them sat down and came to a decision to falsify their statements. I think two things are happening here. I think the first is that a senior officer told them how to write up their statements and if I am right - he/she is the one to be fired. It's a little like the army. You do as you are told to do. I also believe they are being coached by their lawyers and that shouldn't happen either but again, they are doing what they believe they should. What they need to do now is tell each of the 4 to tell it exactly as it happened while they are on the stand. They need permission to tell the truth without fear of losing their job just for telling the truth. If the truth leads to more then they may need to lose their job. I thought the video was handed in almost immediately so I cannot understand any of this lying. I didn't think they would have had time to even write up their statements because they would have been de-briefed right after the incident. It is only my own opinion that if they were told how to write up their report, it happened right there.
My understanding is that the taser (up to recently) was classified as the least lethal and not the easiest so that is why they would have used the taser. The victim was a very big man and it's doubtful the pepper spray would have had much effect but it may have been enough for them to at least cuff him. We all know (how many times do I have to say this) that all this went wrong. It was never a rush in to kill someone. The necessary changes have been made. Charging these men will not make a difference.
Islandpacific
For your peace of mind I would strongly suggest that you Google this - and after reading how these Officers acted – how they lied then come back with some fresh info – it is all out there – Easily found – These Officers did not know about the video - Lucky for us.
You do have the right to refuse orders if it goes against your moral grain without reprecusssions. Any of the 4 could have easily said no even if commanded. "Maintain the Right" is what any member can fall back on. You can't go wrong by doing what is right.