Do Americans care about Canada?

[SirJosephPorter]

For "Joe six pack". He doesn't even know where Canada is. He might possible think it's "up there" somewhere. Hell, he can't even find Iowa even if he lives in the next state

Tyr, I recited this anecdote on the canada.com forum (you may recall it), but I think it is worth quoting here in this context. This is from an Anne Landers columns many years ago, one of the letters in the column.

A family from Iowa was visiting their friends in New York. Somebody asked them where they live. They replied that they live in Iowa. Back came the reply “Well, OK, but here we pronounce it as Ohio”.

 

[ironsides]

PS: We also have 10 Super Carriers. No country has anything close.

 

[EagleSmack]

Not too mention the Russian Navy.

 

[Tyr]

Tyr:
"I doubt that they were F-18's and the MIG 21 was introduced in 1956"

F-14 Tom Cats as well as F-18' were used in 1st Gulf War. Yes Iraq still flew a few Mig 21's as well as Mig 29's (the best Russia exported).


"If you knew anything about the actual aircraft they were F-18 C/D's introduced in 1987." The F-18 Super Hornet of today is a completely new plane, larger, faster than when it was 1st introduced.
YouTube - F-18 Super Hornet

"As for taking on China, Russia and India. The US would take a sh-t kickin' in a week. Do the math"

No country in the world is flying aircraft as advanced as the what the U.S. has. The best they have are generation 4 fighters, while we have generation 6 and maybe some other surprises.



MHz: "Weren't most of the valuable planes flown out of the area, not saying that something dating back to the mid-'50's didn't have some value."

Some aircraft were flown to Iran, but it had nothing to do with trying to save the Iraq airforce, the pilots were fleeing. Iraq lost over 29 Mig 29 aircraft to the F-15 alone. (no F-15 was lost) Older planes were either buried in the sand or destroyed.

F-18 C/D's introduced in 1987." The F-18 Super Hornet of today is a completely new plane, larger, faster than when it was 1st introduced.

A F-18 Hornet is not a Block C/D and did not fly in Gulf War Part 1. More research required ironhead

No country in the world is flying aircraft as advanced as the what the U.S. has. The best they have are generation 4 fighters, while we have generation 6 and maybe some other surprises.

Generation 4-5 aircraft are staples in

France
Japan
China
Russia
India
Sweden
Spain
Italy
Germany
UK, and
The USA

There are <100 F-22's in service and they would be classified as "fifth Generation" due to their "stealth" characteristic and pitch axis thrust vectoring

There aren't any "6th Generation fighters.

and maybe some other surprises

Really. How about " there's no cash left in the cupboard", so the are going overseas (and to Canada) to beg for cash for the F-35 (another 5th gen fighter)

Yes Iraq still flew a few Mig 21's as well as Mig 29's (the best Russia exported

...and they ended up in Iran

 

[EagleSmack]

Nevermind that this thread is two pages long and going strong. This guy CLEARLY struck "THAT" nerve.

 

[Tyr]

One surprise Marine Corps F-35
YouTube - F-35 JSF Lightning II

You want to add new aircraft, how about the F-15, F-16, F-22 there is no airforce in the world that can compete. To stay with topic a little, yes Canada will and does get updated aircraft from us. So yes we care. Have to be realistic, we won't be fighting European countries, who would the 3 biggies be? Russia, China there are only 2 , pick anybody else and you still won't have enough. Keep in mind that over 1/2 of the Russian airforce has fallen in disrepair. Again in answer to the subject. Yes

Have to be realistic, we won't be fighting European countries,

The original delusional "statement" from Colpy was wrt military forces, so that would mean anybody (including Europe or Japan) and that's what I'll go with until Colpy says "oops, sorry, not what I meant"

who would the 3 biggies be? Russia, China there are only 2 , pick anybody else and you still won't have enough.


Really???? Anybody... hmm

Iran
Vietnam
China
North Korea
South Korea
Russia
India



....That's alot of troops

 

[Tyr]

Nevermind that this thread is two pages long and going strong. This guy CLEARLY struck "THAT" nerve.

smart move eaglet. Admitting "you don't know" is the first step towards your recovery

 

[lone wolf]

So.... DO Americans care about Canada?

 

[Tyr]

Sea routes?

Joe Six Pack can find Iowa... he just doesn't care about Canada. That troubles you and keeps you awake at nights.

Sea routes?


I didn't expect you to know. It's geography and your American. Bush (in his final days) stated that the North West Passage - in Canada is international waters

Look it up

 

[EagleSmack]

smart move eaglet. Admitting "you don't know" is the first step towards your recovery

If the thread was named "Do Americans know about Canada?" you may have had me.

Alas the thread is called "Do Americans care about Canada?"... to which you remain wrong per usual and consistently inferior to me.

You are so easy Tyr... so easy.

I think you got pushed down in the sandbox by one too many Americans.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

So it is not surprising that Americans show an appalling ignorance of anything Canadian (e.g. how many Americans know that the Blackberry is a Canadian product?).

I just found that out from the CBC interview with Obama... I bet he didn't know either.

Eaglesmack, then there is another fact which you may or may not be aware of. Canadian banking system is in total contrast to American banking system. Highly efficient, very well managed, strictly regulated, it has continued to perform very well during this economic meltdown.

A recent survey by IMF put Canadians banks as best in the world, No.1. By comparison, American banks were No. 40, and British banks No. 44.

Just today Toronto Dominion Bank reported its earnings. While profits were down from last year (hardly surprising), it nevertheless showed a healthy profit of 712 million $. This is not counting the 537 million $ they have set aside for anticipated credit losses.

It pays a very healthy dividend of 2.44 $ per share annually (for a share price of 35$), which comes to a return of 7% annually as dividend alone (leaving aside the possible capital gains).

All the Canadian banks will report this week or next week, and all of the are expected to show healthy profits, if down from last year.

While in USA they had to bail out banks with hounded of billions of dollars, there has been no talk of bailing out the Canadian banks, the banks don’t need it.

I think Obama did mention something about Canadian banks in one of his speeches or interviews.

 

[EagleSmack]

Sea routes?


I didn't expect you to know. It's geography and your American. Bush (in his final days) stated that the North West Passage - in Canada is international waters

Look it up

Well by your definition... the Sea Route belongs to Canada and we need it and want it. You don't own it as the Russians and the Danes have clearly demonstrated. You surely can protect it.

 

[ironsides]

Yes we do.

I really feel that the biggest problem any country would have is getting their land forces on North American soil. The U.S. Navy would pretty much end that little problem. Europe is another problem. As for the 3 biggies, I was referring to Air and Navel power only. Nobody could compete with China in a land war and if they did it would be messy. Yes it is a lot of troops.
Unless Obama cuts our defense spending, we will be relatively safe for a while. If not we will be at least healthy and own our homes. We should discuss this topic next year when we know what will be going on.

 

[EagleSmack]

Sea routes?


I didn't expect you to know. It's geography and your American. Bush (in his final days) stated that the North West Passage - in Canada is international waters

Look it up

Ahem...you're... the correct term should have been "you're American". It is just so fun ripping your post as you try to claim intellectual superiority.

You fail miserably each time Tyr.

 

[Tyr]

Well by your definition... the Sea Route belongs to Canada and we need it and want it. You don't own it as the Russians and the Danes have clearly demonstrated. You surely can protect it.

You surely can protect it

I'm so glad you have complete confidence in our navy. Far more than I do in fact

 

[Ron in Regina]

Well by your definition... the Sea Route belongs to Canada and we need it and want it. You don't own it as the Russians and the Danes have clearly demonstrated. You surely can protect it.

We sure can, for four months out of the year, weather and finances permitting.8O

 

[Tyr]

To get back to the topic. Does the USA care about Canada,

Depends

For a strategic planner, definitely. Canada has four huge commodities that the USA needs and wants.

Petroleum resources
Mineral Resources
Water (as in potable)
Land and sea routes

 

[JLM]

"So it is not surprising that Americans show an appalling ignorance of anything Canadian (e.g. how many Americans know that the Blackberry is a Canadian product?)"- I've seen quite a few of them growing beside the roads down there too.

 

[Colpy]

Or the.....well, you get the picture.

I do. Your knowledge of military hardware is at best.... underwhelming and actually a waste of my time.

When you actually know what you are talking about, try again

Ohhhhh....GOOD answer!

I find myself......underwhelmed in the presence of your vacuity......

Perhaps you would care to enlighten me, O Knowledgeable One?

:roll::roll::roll:

 

[Tyr]

Ohhhhh....GOOD answer!

I find myself......underwhelmed in the presence of your vacuity......

Perhaps you would care to enlighten me, O Knowledgeable One?

:roll::roll::roll:

Why thank you.

Stick to the topic at hand, we've gone down the previous road before