Auschwitz survivors mark camp's liberation

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That is right Coply -It wasn't up to you to prove that 4 million were not killed at Auschshwitz. It wasn't up to you to prove that witnesses lied under oath, it wasn't up to you to prove that JRS Soap was not made from humans. It was not up to you to prove that human skin lampshades were a lie. You just continued to further the lies for another 50 years.
Point is Colpy, you have no scientific proof of gas chambers used to gas people . All you can do is reject scientific proof. Since you have no proof all you have are the Historic lies created by yours and chirped by little parrots like you.

There is all kinds of proof....but you could be standing in the selection line, and you wouldn't believe it.

there is literally tons of proof.

That is why the Holocaust and the murder of 6 million Jews is accepted as factual, while myths like the industrial use of bodies for soap and the lampshade thing are debunked.......

The rejection of myths does not prove the Holocaust didn't happen.....quite the opposite: it proves that the mainstream scholars studying the subject are NOT upholding myths, are NOT creating an illusion: they speak the truth.

I've got an idea, why not give me the link to the place where you pick up all this garbage? For that matter, why don't you look into the people that put forth this crap? It is not hard, I proved your "execution expert" was a no-go in about 10 minutes.........funny, him being interviewed at Zundel's trial, wasn't it?

The following is a verbatim excerpt
from his cross-examination by Mr. Pearson, in the Zundel trial:


[Leuchter] [Page 13]

Q. Crematoria III has been demolished.

A. Um, there are still parts of Crematoruim III there, but for
the most part, the roof of the alleged gas chamber has crumbled
and is all lying in bits and pieces in the basement of what would
have been the alleged gas chamber.

Q. So, it's no longer subterranean?

A. That's correct. There's a hole in the ground.

Q. With respect to the gas chambers at Crematorium IV and V,
those are totally demolished.

A. With the exception of the foundation, yes.

Q. So, all that was there for you to examine was the foundation
of the building. Is that right?

A. That is correct.

Leuchter admits that the roof of the gas chamber of Krema III was all
blown up and collapsed, and that Krema IV and V are gone except for
the foundation! As for Krema II, his testimony is also intriguing:

Q. So, the gas chamber facility itself is presently underground?

A. Parts of it are and parts aren't.

Q. All right. And the parts that are underground, I take it that
the roof is no longer whole; is that right?

A. Um, one of the roofs is broken into several pieces but it's
essentially whole.

Q. It's broken in several pieces but it's essentially whole?

A. I mean it's not fragmented.

Q. How many pieces?

A. Three, I believe. I say that only to indicate that it's not
fragmented. There are large slabs left of the roof.

Q. Right. And it's collapsed.

A. It's dropped several feet. It's partially collapsed.

Q. Is there dirt over it? Is it subterranean?

A. In some places there are dirt over it and some places there's
no dirt.

And this idiot and convicted fraud is the BEST witness you have yet presented.

Give it a break.
 

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Most of what you post is right off the top of your head consisting of slurs. Your quote for Leuchter what is the point you are trying to make?

The lies have been exposed by revisionist and only then admitted by the Jewish Holocaust supporters. It took 50 years to get at the truth. I haven't seen the Holocaust cheerleaders presenting any scientific studies.
Zuendle forced the Jews to admit that 4 million were not killed at Auschwitz and he is now in prison for that crime.
Leuchter as well as Cole concluded that Gassings did not take place. Leuchter had no problems until he stated PEOPLE could not have been gassed in those crude rooms.

Executions using this gas were carried out for the first time in the United States in 1924, but as late as 1988 major difficulties still existed in the construction of execution gas chambers, including the problem of leakage.

Mr. Zündel decided to ask the latter to prepare an expert opinion on the alleged gas chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek.
Mr. Leuchter accepted the assignment after a weekend in Toronto reviewing wartime aerial photographs of the camps, plans of the crematoriums and alleged gas chambers, documents on Zyklon B and slides taken of the sites in the 1970's by the Swedish researcher Ditlieb Felderer.

In the courtroom, the atmosphere was one of extreme tension. I was sitting beside a number of Revisionist experts, including Dr. William Lindsey, chief research chemist for Dupont Corporation before his retirement in 1985. Everyone in the courtroom, regardless of their own personal viewpoints on the topic under examination, were acutely aware, I think, of participating in a historical event. The myth of the gas chambers was ending.
DESIGN AND PROCEDURES AT THE ALLEGED EXECUTION GAS CHAMBERS
It appears, through investigation of the available historical documents and the facilities themselves, that most of the alleged execution gas chambers were converted from an earlier design, purpose and structure. This is true except for the so-called experimental chambers at Majdanek, which were allegedly specifically built as gassing facilities.

[SIZE=+1]Aerial view of Auschwitz I camp along the Sola river[/SIZE]Bunkers I and II are described in Auschwitz State Museum literature as converted farm houses with several chambers and windows sealed. These do not exist in their original condition and were not inspected. Kremas I, II, III, IV and V are described historically and on inspection were verified to have been converted mortuaries or morgues connected and housed in the same facility as crematories. The on-site inspection of these structures indicated extremely poor and dangerous design for these facilities if they were to have served as execution gas chambers. There is no provision for gasketed doors, windows or vents; the structures are not coated with tar or other sealant to prevent leakage or absorption of the gas. the adjacent crematories are a potential danger of explosion.

The exposed porous brick and mortar would accumulate the HCN and make these facilities dangerous to humans for several years. Krema I is adjacent to the S.S. Hospital at Auschwitz and has floor drains connected to the main sewer of the camp -- which would allow gas into every building at the facility. There were no exhaust systems to vent the gas after usage and no heaters or dispersal mechanisms for the Zyklon B to be introduced or evaporated. The Zyklon B was supposedly dropped through roof vents and put in through windows -- not allowing for even distribution of gas or pellets. The facilities are always damp and not heated. As stated earlier, dampness and Zyklon B are not compatible.

The chambers are too small to physically contain the occupants claimed and the doors all open inward, a situation which would inhibit removal of the bodies. With the chambers fully packed with occupants, there would be no circulation of the HCN within the room. Additionally, if the gas eventually did fill the chamber over a lengthy time period, those throwing Zyklon B in the roof vents and verifying the death of the occupants would die themselves from exposure to HCN. None of the alleged gas chambers were constructed in accordance with the design for delousing chambers which were effectively operating for years in a safe manner. None of these chambers were constructed in accordance with the known and proven designs of facilities operational in the United States at that time. It seems unusual that the presumed designers of these alleged gas chambers never consulted or considered the United States technology; the only country then executing prisoners with gas.

[SIZE=+2]View of Majdanek[/SIZE]The facilities at Majdanek are likewise incapable of fulfilling the alleged purpose. First, there is a rebuilt crematory with an alleged gas chamber. The only portions of the building which existed prior to the rebuilding were the cremation ovens. Allegedly, the building was reconstructed from plans which do not exist. The facility is built in such a manner that gas could not have been contained within the alleged chamber, the chamber itself is too small to have accommodated the volume of victims attributed to it. The building is too damp and cold to utilize Zyklon B gas effectively. The gas would have reached the ovens, and after killing all the technicians, would have caused an explosion and destroyed the building. Further, the construction, poured concrete, is radically different from the other buildings at the facility. In short, the building could not be used for its alleged purpose and fails to follow even minimal gas chamber design.

The second facility at Majdanek is shown on maps to be a U-shaped building and is now, in reality, two separate buildings. This complex is designated Bath and Disinfection Building 1 and 2. One of the buildings is strictly a delousing facility and is designed as were the other accepted delousing facilities at Birkenau. The second building of the complex is somewhat different. the front portion of the building contains a shower room and an alleged gas chamber. The existence of blue stains in this room is consistent with the blue stains found in the Birkenau delousing facility. This room has two roof vents which were for venting the room after a delousing procedure. The Zyklon B would have been placed by hand on the floor. This chamber is clearly not an execution chamber. It has provision for air circulation but no stack for venting.

It, like the other facilities, is not designed for, or capable of being used as, an execution gas chamber. In the back of this building are the experimental gas chambers. This area includes a breezeway, control booth and two chambers allegedly used as gas chambers. A third room was sealed and not available for inspection. These chambers are unique in that both have piping for allegedly using carbon monoxide gas controlled from the booth. One of the chambers has a potential vent in the ceiling that was apparently never cut through the roof. The other chamber has a heating circulatory system for moving heated air into the chamber. This circulatory system is ineffectively designed and constructed with the intake and outlet too close together to function properly and has no provision for a vent. Remarkable about both chambers is what appears to be a rabbet or groove cut into the four (4) steel doors, which is consistent with the placement of a gasket. Purportedly, both chambers were used for Zyklon B or carbon monoxide. This cannot be true.

Of the two chambers, one was not completed and never could have been used for carbon monoxide. It is also not designed for HCN, even though it allegedly was utilized for this purpose. The larger chamber was not designed for HCN. Notwithstanding the sign at the door saying "experimental," this chamber would have been incapable of providing execution by CO because of the need to produce 4,000 ppm (the lethal concentration) at the required 2.5 atmospheres of pressure. Both chambers failed to meet the design requirements for venting, heating and circulating, and leakage. Nowhere were the bricks, stucco and mortar ever coated with a sealant, inside or out.
A most remarkable characteristic of this complex is that these chambers were surrounded on three sides by a depressed concrete walkway. This is totally inconsistent with intelligent gas handling design in that gas seepage would accumulate in this trench and, being sheltered from the wind, would not dissipate. This would make the entire area a death trap, especially with HCN.


The author must therefore conclude that this facility was never intended for even the limited use of HCN gas.



Do you have anything to disprove these claims? You don't!

  1. <LI class=level1>The Nazis planned on exterminating all Jews.
    <LI class=level1>The Nazis killed 6 million Jews.
  2. The Nazis used Zyklon B and Diesel exhaust to gas millions of Jews to death.
All people are required to harbor the core beliefs of Holocaustianity. Questioning/doubting the tenets is sacrilegious. Apostates are to be assaulted, harassed, bankrupted, imprisoned and devastated in the worst possible manner as a warning to others.
Among secondary beliefs of Holocaustianity are that:
  1. <LI class=level1>Comparison of the Holocaust with other historic mass deaths is a sin called “Holocaust relativism”.
  2. Any attempt to set up barriers to immigration is immoral because it will lead to another Holocaust. Except where we want Jews only.
 

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We are all liars and idiots. We are so fortunate to have you and honest intelligent person here with us. You can not verify or reject his findings? Is there no qualified scientist to check Leuchter's findings?
You know that they were gas chambers. Idoesn't matter that the doors were not air tight. It doesn't matter that no blue was found on those walls. It doesn't matter that the chimney was not present in USA ariel photos. So you belittle others and assume superiority. How little is that?
 

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We are all liars and idiots. We are so fortunate to have you and honest intelligent person here with us. You can not verify or reject his findings? Is there no qualified scientist to check Leuchter's findings?
You know that they were gas chambers. Idoesn't matter that the doors were not air tight. It doesn't matter that no blue was found on those walls. It doesn't matter that the chimney was not present in USA ariel photos. So you belittle others and assume superiority. How little is that?

Ha!

Now you know what it feels like to be on the other side of a shadow argument ;-)
 

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We are all liars and idiots. We are so fortunate to have you and honest intelligent person here with us. You can not verify or reject his findings? Is there no qualified scientist to check Leuchter's findings?
You know that they were gas chambers. Idoesn't matter that the doors were not air tight. It doesn't matter that no blue was found on those walls. It doesn't matter that the chimney was not present in USA ariel photos. So you belittle others and assume superiority. How little is that?

Did you read the debunking of Leuchter's testimony?????

I thought not.

If so, how can you be so obsessed that you still support the guy, when it is obvious to anyone paying attention at all that he is an idiot at best, and probably a con-man???

He is a convicted fraudster, claiming to be an engineer, when he is not....

And this is the guy you try to use to contest the research done by such as Dr. Naill Ferguson, Professor of History at Harvard, Research Fellow at Stanford and Oxford Universities.

Then you wonder why I think you are crazy. :roll:8O:roll:8O:roll:8O:roll:8O
 

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Did you read the debunking of Leuchter's testimony?????

I thought not.

If so, how can you be so obsessed that you still support the guy, when it is obvious to anyone paying attention at all that he is an idiot at best, and probably a con-man???

He is a convicted fraudster, claiming to be an engineer, when he is not....

And this is the guy you try to use to contest the research done by such as Dr. Naill Ferguson, Professor of History at Harvard, Research Fellow at Stanford and Oxford Universities.

Then you wonder why I think you are crazy. :roll:8O:roll:8O:roll:8O:roll:8O

Regardless what you think--you have not provided any Jewish Gas chamber studies--just belittling-obviously you have nothing to offer-or you would provide research material
 

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Regardless what you think--you have not provided any Jewish Gas chamber studies--just belittling-obviously you have nothing to offer-or you would provide research material
The Commandant of Auschwitz, Rudolf Hoess testified as to the number and the method of using Zyklon B pellets produced without the odourant. Johann Kremer, an SS Doctor who oversaw the gassing of tousands of Soviet POW's, Polish POW's, Gypsys and Jews, testified as the outcome and the process. As well as a terrifying account of the screaming and so on.

You, to my knowledge, have provided no evidence to the contary, that these men were in anyway lying or coerced into confessins.

Sp please spare me the BS.
 
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Bear -I guess you missed one of my posts. As well it would have taken very little effort for you to check Rudolph Hoess Torture. Your post demonstrates your ignorance.

Source: Document NO-1210
It was only in 1983 that there was confirmation of the tortures inflicted upon Rudolf Hoess to obtain the "proof" of the "two and ahalf million" Jews exterminated by him at Auschwitz.
This book was written by Rupert Butler and was called : "Legionsof Death" (Hamlyn Paperbacks). It publishes the testimony of BernardClarke, who arrested Rudolf H?ss after finding out his whereabouts from his wife after threat of death to herself and her children. Hoess was arrested at the farm where he was hiding on March 11th 1946. Butler describes how it took three days of torture to obtain a "coherent declaration",eg. the one we have just quoted, signed March 14 th 1946 at 2 in the morning.
As soon as he was arrested, Hoess was beaten so hard that "in the end, the health officer intervened with insistence to the captain : tell him to stop or you'll bring back a corpse."
It must be noted that Butler and his interlocutor Clarke both seem highly satisfied with these acts of torture.
The American enquiry committee made up of judges Van Roden and Simpson,sent to Germany in 1948 to investigate irregularities committed by the Americanmilitary court at Dachau (which had tried 1,500 German prisoners and sentenced 420 of them to death), established that the accused had been subjected tophysical and psychological torture of every sort to force them to make the desired "confessions". Thus 137 out of 139 German prisoners examined had been kicked in testicles, receiving permanent injuries.
Source : Interview with Judge Edward L. Van Roden, in "The Progressive",February 1949.
 

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We could just ask GAF Company (American I.G for the records of how much Zyklon B was produced. Then somebody needs to determine how much material would be needed to kill (insert estimates high/low for all people that were taken to all the extermination camps). Standard oil was producing the oil that ran the trains and they stopped delivering any goods to some camps because the railroads were broken. (the starvation deaths rose during that time) They would have needed a huge stockpile to keeps the rate up, if there was a marked increase in the number of cases of head-lice towards the end of the war then the camp was out of Zykon B. Venting the rooms released some of the gas into the winds, that much. In powder form (as in delousing very little is lost and what is on the floor can be reused) should hace created a dead-zone outside the camp boundary, possibly for many miles as this was a long term poeration.

I'm quite sure it would have been common practice to treat the ones who were too weak to feed themselves as being the same as a corpse. (when asked if the whole load was dead the reply was ,well, one said he wasn't but you never could believe a (insert name here)

In the original roundups I assume it was a sweep of entire neighborhoods and the ones who 'were useful' were released and not put on the trains.
If their were some Jews who survived by 'being useful' to the invaders then the roundup was not specific of Jews. If it was a sweep of 'all Jews and just the Jews' there would have been no Jews killing the Jews who were deemed to be traitors.
 

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Charles D. Provan and "Nazi Gas Chamber" Nonsense

Despite the fact that Holocaust revisionism’s opponents (the Exterminationists) were well aware of Provan’s work, there was not one orthodox Holocaust journal that would publish his work, nor were there any orthodox Holocaust scholars, diesel engine experts, scientists, or engineers who would publicly endorse his Nazi gas chamber theories. If his research did indeed refute Holocaust revisionism, our opponents would have used it.


Provanian Exterminationism, the "Death Camp" Treblinka, and the Demjanjuk Case
By Paul Grubach
Copyright 2007
Charles Provan believes the Nazis used gasoline engine exhaust to murder Jews at Treblinka concentration camp during WWII. In this context, he attempted to explain why the false story that the Germans used "steam chambers" to commit mass murder got started in the first place.

In his well known anti-Holocaust Revisionist article for Christian News, Provan wrote: "In a separate category, however, are the stories that the Germans were killing Jews with ‘steam chambers’ in places like Treblinka. In fact, these stories were related quite early in the war by Jewish escapees such as Abraham Krzepicki. They can be easily explained. First, only a few Jews were allowed close inspection of the gassing facilities. For example, at Treblinka, Yankiel Wiernak (the head carpenter) had much more freedom to travel in the death area, so he knew that the Jews were killed primarily with engine exhaust from an old Soviet tank. For other Jews, such as Krzepicki, all that they knew was derived from observing bits and pieces; they could observe that the Jews went off to a building after being given a speech by the Germans about being disinfected in a bath building. If they saw what looked like real showerheads in the ceiling, and observed dead Jews covered in sweat, and saw steam coming from the gas chambers when the doors were opened, then what is more reasonable than those witness Jews interpreting what they saw as a ‘steam chamber.’ The Revisionists often ridicule the stories in the The Black Book of Polish Jewry (published by Jewish groups in 1943) for repeating varied stories of ‘methods of execution’ like steam at places such as Treblinka, but I’ve never seen the Revisionists ever mention the fact that the writers of Black Book of Polish Jewry really weren’t positive about what was happening, only that many thousands of Jews (even millions) in the east were going to places like Treblinka, never to be heard from again." [1]

Chuck then asks a rhetorical question: "…how could Jewish groups have known (about Treblinka) what we know now, when even Jews who had escaped from Treblinka during its operation weren’t sure?" Further on he asserts that "every single Jew who survived Treblinka" claimed that Jews were murdered there by means of a gas chamber.

Consider all that Chuck is claiming. The Holocaust survivors weren’t positive about what was happening at Treblinka; only a few Jews were allowed close inspection of the murder facilities; the steam chamber stories were related only early in the war; and every single Jew who survived Treblinka claimed the Germans operated homicidal gas chambers. They are all false.

The 8 August 1943 (p.11) New York Times published an "authoritative eyewitness account" of the "steam chambers" of Treblinka. Here is an excerpt: "The victims now realize their doom is near. At the entrance to the death house the No. 1 chief himself drives them to cells, freely using a whip. The floor of the cell (steam chamber) is slippery. Some fall and are unable to rise because of the pressure of those behind. Small children are flung over the heads of women. When the cells are filled they are closed and sealed. Steam is forced through apertures and suffocation of the victims begins. At first cries can be heard but these gradually subside and after fifteen minutes all is silent. The execution is over. When the trap door is opened to let the bodies drop down they fall in a compact mass, stuck together by the heat and steam. Cold water is sprayed on them with a hose after which the grave-diggers pile the corpses on a platform like the carcasses of slaughtered animals…At times not all the victims can be squeezed into the death cells at once, and those remaining are kept near the house of death. They can see and hear all that takes place [emphasis added]…"

Notice how the "Holocaust survivors" describe in great detail the steam chambers they must have "closely inspected," and are absolutely "positive" about what happened. More specifically, notice how they describe in great detail the alleged murder weapon: "Steam is forced through apertures and suffocation of the victims begins." This clearly contradicts Provan’s claims that A) the Jewish prisoners who escaped Treblinka weren’t positive about the camp’s alleged method of murder, and B) every single Jew who survived Treblinka affirmed the gas chamber story.

In December 1945, an official Polish Government Commission made a "definitive study" of the "steam chambers" of Treblinka. Here are few excerpts: "The German authorities acting under the authority of Governor General Dr. Hans Frank established in March 1942 the extermination-camp Treblinka, intended for mass killing of Jews by suffocating them in steam-filled chambers…Late in 1942, the erection of the first three chambers was finished in which these general massacres were to be performed by means of steam…" [2]

Contrary to what Provan writes, those Jews who described the "steam chambers" did travel in the "death area," they did "closely inspect" the "steam chamber facilities," and they were "positive about what they saw." Again contradicting Provan, the "steam chamber" stories were not only related early in the war, but were "authoritatively confirmed" at the war’s end by the Polish Government Commission. [3] Provan’s claim that "only a few Jews were allowed close inspection of the murder facilities" is false. The Polish government Commission "inspected" them at the war’s end and found steam chambers, not gas chambers.

The reader should keep this important point in mind. The official "Holocaust" history of today says that Jews were gassed with Diesel exhaust at Treblinka; the "steam chambers" did not exist! Thus, all of the foregoing "proofs" given for "steam chambers" are fraudulent! This demonstrates the extremely unreliable nature of the "evidence" used to "prove" Nazi mass murder claims.

In 1947, the testimony of Elias Rosenberg was published. He was another "Holocaust survivor" who saw the "extermination system" at Treblinka with "his own two eyes." He said the Jews were killed with the exhaust from a Diesel engine. In his own words: "As it was very dark in the chambers, one could not see that alongside the walls ran several pipes, about five centimeters in diameter through which the gas—exhaust gas from a single diesel motor—was piped into the cabin." [4] Let it suffice to say that he was one of John Demjanjuk’s chief accusers at the latter’s trial in Israel. Indeed, at Demjanjuk’s show trial it was again "proven" that a Diesel engine was used at Treblinka to generate the deadly gas. [5]

Provan’s chief "eyewitness," SS officer Kurt Gerstein, also claimed the Nazis used a Diesel engine at Treblinka to gas Jewish prisoners. [6] At the Treblinka Trials in Germany (1965), it was again "authoritatively determined" that a Diesel engine was used at Treblinka. [7]

Enter Chuck Provan. He makes a study of Diesel engine exhaust, carbon monoxide and the like, and comes to the conclusion at Treblinka Jews were killed with the exhaust of a gasoline engine, not a Diesel engine. He even cites an eyewitness who "saw the gasoline engine with his own two eyes." [8]

If Gerstein and the Holocaust survivors are correct (a Diesel engine was used at Treblinka), then this disproves Provan’s theory that a gasoline engine was used to murder Jews. Yet, if Provan is correct, then the credibility of his chief eyewitness Kurt Gerstein and the standard "Diesel Gas Chamber at Treblinka" story is undermined. But even more importantly, Provan’s theory would strengthen the case of John Demjanjuk by undermining the credibility of the latter’s accusers, the "Holocaust survivors" who "actually observed the Diesel engine."

And don’t think for one second that I’m "nitpicking," or being unduly critical of these testimonials. One of the key issues in any murder case is the type and operation of the murder weapon.

As for Chuck’s claim that only a few Jews were allowed close inspection of the alleged "Treblinka gas chambers," this is contradicted by the findings of Rachel Auerbach and the Central State Commission for the Investigation of German Crimes in Poland, which made an official inspection tour of Treblinka on 7 November 1945. They claimed there were about "…300 [Jewish workers] near the [gas] chambers. Their main duties were to clear away what was left by those killed, to take away the corpses and then to mask and clear away the traces of the killings." [9] If there really were 300 working Jews near the gas chambers—taking away the corpses, clearing away traces of the killings, etc.—then a large number of them must have been able to "inspect the murder facilities."

If Provan is correct, then the credibility of Rachel Auerbach and the Polish Commission is undermined. Yet, if Auerbach and company are correct, Provan’s theory is undermined. In short, they cast grave doubt on each other and show how contradictory the mainstream Holocaust story really is.

The reader should note how the propaganda just keeps changing. First, "official history" told us there were "steam chambers" at Treblinka; now it’s said there were "Diesel chambers." Along comes Chuck Provan who contradicts them all and says there were "gasoline chambers." The Treblinka mass murder claims are changeable and contradictory—exactly what one would expect from a historical hoax.

 

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How about the fact that all that and a bag of chips means jack squat. There is nothing in that tripe that says they confessions weren't truthful.

Only the ignorant need be bothered believing anything in "paperback" print.

post demonstrates your ignorance.
Look jerk off, poke at me again like that and the gloves will come off. I've been civil with you, despite the fact that I believe you to be a Neo Nazi. Or at the very least a Neo Nazi apologist.
 
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How about the fact that all that and a bag of chips means jack squat. There is nothing in that tripe that says they confessions weren't truthful.

You have been civil ? Don't bother putting forth an effort to be civil. That comes with intelligence. The Torture of Goess is revealed by Americans who were present. Some of the declarations that Goess made have been proven by Jewish sources to be untrue such as 2.5 million were gassed at Auschwitz, Camps that didn't even exist,affidavit in English that he signed--he didn't speak Enlish
Only the ignorant need be bothered believing anything in "paperback" print.
That is one dumb comment.

Look jerk off, poke at me again like that and the gloves will come off. I've been civil with you, despite the fact that I believe you to be a Neo Nazi. Or at the very least a Neo Nazi apologist.
Jerk youself off. Magic Nazi word, neo nazi apologist--wow you got the big words here--with that you have proven your case-you have supplied an astonishing rebuttal filled with intelligence --thank you bear

Wolf-
The executions were not as they were thought.
You missed the point. These people swore that they knew. Their testimonies exclude each other. So some or all of your noble witnesses lied about gassings.The COURTS should apologies to the German people for the Soap lie and the human lampshade lie to start with.
Witnesses lied. All you need are a few unbiased forensic studies and we will certainly admit that we were wrong just as Bishop Wiliamson is prepared to revisit his findings. The Jewish community, those in charge of the Gassing charges, those who promote the Gassing story at the Holocaust museums have attacked those that have made studies stating that Gassings did not happen. THE ONLY REASON THESE JEWISH GROUPS WOULD NOT DO A STUDY IS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THE OUTCOME WOULD PROVE THAT THE GAS CHAMBER STORY IS A LIE. You really have no idea what you are talking about do you woof?

 

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Jerk youself off. Magic Nazi word, neo nazi apologist--wow you got the big words here--with that you have proven your case-you have supplied an astonishing rebuttal filled with intelligence --thank you bear

Wolf-
The executions were not as they were thought.
You missed the point. These people swore that they knew. Their testimonies exclude each other. So some or all of your noble witnesses lied about gassings.The COURTS should apologies to the German people for the Soap lie and the human lampshade lie to start with.
Witnesses lied. All you need are a few unbiased forensic studies and we will certainly admit that we were wrong just as Bishop Wiliamson is prepared to revisit his findings. The Jewish community, those in charge of the Gassing charges, those who promote the Gassing story at the Holocaust museums have attacked those that have made studies stating that Gassings did not happen. THE ONLY REASON THESE JEWISH GROUPS WOULD NOT DO A STUDY IS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THE OUTCOME WOULD PROVE THAT THE GAS CHAMBER STORY IS A LIE. You really have no idea what you are talking about do you woof?


Do you have a clue about that which you speak? Are you trying to win clemency for dead nazis ... or run away from whatever part of the guilt you want to carry? You said yourself about your mother witnessing a ten-year-old girl catch a beating for stealing a potato peel. Are these the sort of people who wouldn't kill? What does it matter if they were gassed, shot, starved, drowned or fired off to the moon. I object to the almost religious hype this Holocaust has grown to. Your fevered denials only serve to help it grow to more epic proportions. They're dead ... and that's the whole point. Deny all you want. It happened. Get over it.
 

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Jerk youself off. Magic Nazi word, neo nazi apologist--wow you got the big words here--with that you have proven your case-you have supplied an astonishing rebuttal filled with intelligence --thank you bear
As I thought, when confronted with fact that you can not deny, chase it off with insults.

The last bastion of the feeble.
 

Avro

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lol.....

The only reason bear is back is because he has the hots for Karrie because little bear left him.
 

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No I did not say that my mother witnessed that. That lady told us that story after she, her husband and young daughter returned to Canada from Israel. They went to a Kabbutz and returned in 1955. The SS Guard hit her with the rifle butt? and broke her jaw. There were German miscreants just as there are Jewish Canadian, yellow, black, green miscreants. That guard should be shot just as the Israeli IDF officer that emptied his gun into that 13 year old Palestinian girl. But He was found not guilty. Time off with pay and no disciplinary action what so ever. Do you believe that to be just? I'm very aware that Jews and other forced laborers were extremely mistreated.
But Gas Chambers is what we are talking about. I have repeatedly asked for forensic evidence and the Jewish population has not done or kept such studies secrete. Studies to refute Revisionists have not been done. Why not? You find bad mouthing people and laws to stop investigations proof that Gassings were carried out?
 

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lol.....

The only reason bear is back is because he has the hots for Karrie because little bear left him.
Anything intelligent to add?

I thought not, same old same old.

Little Bear is my youngest, and those names are capitalised. They're proper nouns. SCB is my wife and she's still here. Hell, her and Karrie were PM'ing each other the other night.
 

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As I thought, when confronted with fact that you can not deny, chase it off with insults.

The last bastion of the feeble.
I simply responded to you in kind. I presented sources which you obviously can't comprehend or didn't read. You presented nothing. Are your gloves off? Show me what you have to to support your notions?