“I Have a Dream” A Prophacy Of ToDay?

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Was “I Have a Dream” A Prophacy Of This Day?

I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.
Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt.

We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check — a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quick sands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.
But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. They have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.

As we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied, as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their selfhood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating "For Whites Only". We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.

Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair.

I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.
I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.
This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.
This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring."

And if America is to be a great nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania!
Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado!
Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California!
But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia!
Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee!
Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"

When Martin Luther King Jr was giving this speech at the National Mall in Washinton D.C. was he watching this very day?

Did Martin see Obama in his dream?

I would say yes.
 

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Was “I Have a Dream” A Prophacy Of This Day?



When Martin Luther King Jr was giving this speech at the National Mall in Washinton D.C. was he watching this very day?

Did Martin see Obama in his dream?

I would say yes.

I watched the speech on T.V. for the first time yesterday morning- great speech and MLK was a great man, how much he could see into the future, I'm not sure, but I think in general terms he "knew" that someday the Black man would attain his majority. I think Obama is a great man and the future for the U.S. holds great promise.
 

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I don't think he holds any greater promise simply because some things are not in his power to change. He's not a magical wizard, he's a human being.

Plus, if he manages to stay out of trouble moreso than the last two, than that should be good enough. :D
 

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He's a hand made model, crafted by the debt masters, he's the ultimate charismatic messianic figure. He,s a hope bomb set off among the frightened cattle to calm the herd on the way to slaughter. His comemorative coronation dinnerware will be available in royal blue this coming week at all our favourite trashy low class outlets.
 

Praxius

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Martin didn't predict anything that anybody else could have predicted.... a black US president was a given, depending on the amount of time one allows for it to happen. It wasn't a dream, it was inevitability, just as there will eventually be another president of a different race sometime down the road, probably hispanic.

There, I made a prediction that will probably come true..... Call me God of Thunder.

It's a pretty big thing I guess for the US, to have a half-black US president, and if they all want to hype it up as the biggest thing they've ever encountered in their country, who am I to argue?

But there's nothing magical about what is happening..... if it didn't happen this time around, it would have happened 4 years from now, or 8, or 16, or 50 years from now.... perhaps 100..... but given enough time, it would have occured..... just like a commet smacking into the earth.

And the fact that he's being inaugurated the day after Martin Luth.KJ Day..... come on, we all know there's no coincidence in that.

I'm glad Obama made president over McCain, and I hope he does a good job as president..... but all this magical prophacy stuff is a bit overboard if you ask me.

When we get a female president, what prophecies will people drag into the media to make that seem magical and special? Who are we gonna worship for predicting this? To me, there's a load of people one could pick from.
 

darkbeaver

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My quarter is in the mail!

All donations are of course gratefully accepted, according to thier weight, which is only the best exercise of fairness afterall. It does not however cover the postage cost of our Nude Obama Calendar which we regretably cannot sent you at this time.:smile:
 

darkbeaver

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Martin didn't predict anything that anybody else could have predicted.... a black US president was a given, depending on the amount of time one allows for it to happen. It wasn't a dream, it was inevitability, just as there will eventually be another president of a different race sometime down the road, probably hispanic.

There, I made a prediction that will probably come true..... Call me God of Thunder.

It's a pretty big thing I guess for the US, to have a half-black US president, and if they all want to hype it up as the biggest thing they've ever encountered in their country, who am I to argue?

But there's nothing magical about what is happening..... if it didn't happen this time around, it would have happened 4 years from now, or 8, or 16, or 50 years from now.... perhaps 100..... but given enough time, it would have occured..... just like a commet smacking into the earth.

And the fact that he's being inaugurated the day after Martin Luth.KJ Day..... come on, we all know there's no coincidence in that.

I'm glad Obama made president over McCain, and I hope he does a good job as president..... but all this magical prophacy stuff is a bit overboard if you ask me.

When we get a female president, what prophecies will people drag into the media to make that seem magical and special? Who are we gonna worship for predicting this? To me, there's a load of people one could pick from.

Your analysis allows us to project a female gay latino president for 2012 just in time to witness the milky way transformed into swiss cheeze.
 

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I don't think it's magical. I do think it's a nice moment in this country. Racism is still a big deal. Things have changed a lot. Now young black children can see a president who looks like them, instead of the usual media representation which tends to be extremely negative.

I have to say, I love that speech though. They play it in its entirety on the radio on MLK day here. It coincides with the time I'm driving home from work and I've heard it the last three years in a row.
 

Praxius

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I don't think it's magical. I do think it's a nice moment in this country. Racism is still a big deal. Things have changed a lot......

See for myself when I hear people say things like that (and there's nothing really wrong with saying that) is that I don't see it the same way.

Just as you said, Racism is still a big deal in the US, I agree with that. I also agree that it's a nice moment in the country and its history.

But I won't say things have changed a lot until Obama actually survives his first and perhaps second terms. If he is shot by some racist nut bag or shot by some general nut bag..... I can already predict the US would either drop right back to where it has been in the last 20-30 years with it's racism and the shockwave from this action will ripple through the US like a hurricane.

Here I am!!!! ROCK YOU LIKE A HURRICANE!!!!

Ok enough of that.

I see this going one to two different ways amongst many other possibilities. The US will evolve beyond much of it's racial issues if Obama makes it through his first term..... or the US will crack open the chest of racism if he's attacked and so much cow crap will hit the fan, the cleaners will be picking at it for years with a toilet brush and the country will be set back about 40 years.

Although I hope things improve and get better in the US towards racism and the things that trail from it.... my expectations and hopes for the US are still dashed overall from the last 8 years of administration which focused a lot on racial profiling, etc.

You can't just shut all of that off in a couple of days or a couple of speeches. Everybody can talk about the future being great and wonderful, and change be a coming..... but all it takes is one person who differs in ideologies and who's a lucky shot.
 

Praxius

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So what are the "many other possibilities" you mention?

For starters:

• If he actually does a good job
• If he does a moderatly decent job
• If he screws up as bad as Bush
• If he does even worse then Bush

^ all of which can lead along different possible paths of what can affect the direction of the US.

That is of course not including any new wars or conflicts along the way or relations with other various countries, etc...... many other possibilities. But the biggest hurdle I see right now is the racial barriers in the US. Sure he's in as president and a majority seemed to have wanted him in power...... what about the extremists?

As I see it, yes there was a big hurdle to overcome in the US for someone with African decent to become president, but the biggest hurdle after that is if he will be allowed to stay in power without a load of attempts on his life. If there are a crap load of attempts on his life, whether or not they acomplish their attacks, it will clearly show that the US hasn't gotten much farther then everybody keeps saying they have.
 

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There will always be extremists, but that's just what they are: extreme. They don't represent mainstream culture. We've gone from arguments over whether a black person can ride in the front of the bus to seeing one elected to the highest office in the country. That's a big change. It doesn't mean King's dreams have all been realized, but saying things haven't changed is just crazy to me.
 

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I don't think he holds any greater promise simply because some things are not in his power to change. He's not a magical wizard, he's a human being.

Plus, if he manages to stay out of trouble moreso than the last two, than that should be good enough. :D

Right on- I watch most of the ceremonies this morning, great man, great speech. I am very much astonished at the differences between him and Bush as I am the similarities- BUT HE'S ONLY ONE MAN.