NDP wants names of Tories involved in taping of private caucus meeting

[Tyr]

Which is why I used it in the first place.

I have admited many times in the past and will do again in the future about things that I myself am ignorant to....... I will call myself ignorant when it applies. When I am called ignorant and I don't think it properly applies, I will argue it.

But I don't consider it anything close to an insult...... call me ignorant all you like as many times as you like.

If it's true, there's not much I can dispute now is there?

Speaking of definition:


^ That is how I understand the word and that is how I use the word.... if I wanted to use an insult, I would use something along the lines of an idiot or stupid, or other similar insult (Those are just examples, I am not implying)

When Lineman refers to the Bloc as Traitors, or refer to other parties who deal with them as traitors, I believe they are ignorant on the details...... so I call them ignorant, while I explain why I feel this.

If you still think I am trying to get personal, then you need to get a thicker skin.

That alludes back to the thread about not taking the forums seriously and/or personnally. This is just entertainment after all

If one can't take anybody's posting personally, they really should find some other forum that doesn't discuss politicals, religion. economics or any sort of social issues. In short, find some nice site to trade recipes, gardening and/or weather predictions.

 

[JLM]

JLM : Praxius calls everyone who is not a dipper a troll. I think he looks in a mirror when he types.

Hey taxslave- I recognize a "room temperature" I.Q. when I see it, as far as I know people are entitled to express any opinion they choose on here as long as they are not harming anyone AND I MIGHT ADD, it should be up to the author of the post to decide what's on topic, not some idiot whose premise is being questioned. :lol:

 

[DurkaDurka]

Hi, I'm Jack Layton, also known as the video professor. Wanna free moustache ride? wink wink. brushteeth:downtown:

 

[Praxius]

Hey taxslave- I recognize a "room temperature" I.Q. when I see it, as far as I know people are entitled to express any opinion they choose on here as long as they are not harming anyone AND I MIGHT ADD, it should be up to the author of the post to decide what's on topic, not some idiot whose premise is being questioned. :lol:

Gee.... funny you say that.

Who started the topic/thread again?

Hmmmmmmm......... Darn... I guess that was me.

So based on your above reasoning, I think we should get back on topic.

Oh, and in case people forgot, the topic was about the legal actions that may or may not be taken due to the Conservatives' taping of a closed door meeting of the NDP and other parties.

Enjoy

 

[YoungJoonKim]

Hi, I'm Jack Layton, also known as the video professor. Wanna free moustache ride? wink wink. brushteeth:downtown:

HA!
Truly crude but funny heh
I see that commercial all the time...and it always reminds me of ...whatever your intending to portray

 

[JLM]

" it should be up to the author of the post to decide what's on topic,"- You don't read too good either eh- you'll note I said "POST" NOT "THREAD" and that was me, Einstein.

 

[Lineman]

Praxius
Well as much as you try and explain your use of "ignorant" or "get a clue" it comes off as arrogance and not civil discussion.

Anyways, my opinions and views of the NDP, Liberals, and BLOC and their actions are my own and based on what I interpret and understand. I may be ignorant of your view of the world but that doesn't make either of us superior to the other.

Since you seem to like definitions:

traitor Noun
a person who betrays friends, country, a cause, etc.

betray Verb
to hand over or expose (one's nation, friend, etc.) treacherously to an enemy

en·e·my (

n

-m

)n. pl. en·e·mies One who feels hatred toward, intends injury to, or opposes the interests of another; a foe.

Fits the Coalition fairly well

As for getting back on track, every meeting I've attended, on-line, face to face, conference call, video feed, always starts with introductions. To first invite the wrong person and then to rush in without any protocol shows a true lack of understanding of professionalism.

 

[Unforgiven]

As for getting back on track, every meeting I've attended, on-line, face to face, conference call, video feed, always starts with introductions. To first invite the wrong person and then to rush in without any protocol shows a true lack of understanding of professionalism.

Professionalism also means acting with integrity. Secretly recording a conference call that you are obviously not a part of is not even in the ball park of professionalism.

The Neocons acted in a dastardly way very unbecoming of any government.

 

[Lineman]

Well I can't disagree with you on whether it crossed the ethics line, but my opinion is once he heard that the topic was going to be "join with the Liberals and seperatists to bring down the government" he might have imagined that the NDP had long since gone way past that line. (do 2 wrongs make a right?)

Imagine if they would have mistakenly invited someone from the media instead, and that person would have made the recording. Our collective reaction likely would have been much different coming from the media versus the conservatives!

If it would have been a bland "price of granola" conversation Mr Duncan likely would have hung up right at the beginning.

As a side note many people start the recording as the meeting begins to save writing down notes and have the recording transcribed later.

 

[Praxius]

" it should be up to the author of the post to decide what's on topic,"- You don't read too good either eh- you'll note I said "POST" NOT "THREAD" and that was me, Einstein.

Yeah well too bad it's not that way, since the person creating the thread is the person who sets up the topic to debate, unless they state it is open for any debate.

Which is isn't..... so stay on topic.

Pretty please with little rainbow gumdrops.

 

[Praxius]

Praxius
Well as much as you try and explain your use of "ignorant" or "get a clue" it comes off as arrogance and not civil discussion.

Well it's about as civil as it's going to get with me without kissing people's asses..... and I don't say anything I wouldn't expect others to say back to me if they were true.

Anyways, my opinions and views of the NDP, Liberals, and BLOC and their actions are my own and based on what I interpret and understand. I may be ignorant of your view of the world but that doesn't make either of us superior to the other.

Since you seem to like definitions:

traitor Noun
a person who betrays friends, country, a cause, etc.

Yup.... who betrayed the country and what is your definition of betraying the country?

betray Verb
to hand over or expose (one's nation, friend, etc.) treacherously to an enemy

So who is the enemy? The Bloc? The entire province of Quebec? The people you claim are the enemy are Canadian citizens and the only thing they are risking from seperation is their own province and people, not Canada.

And if Canada collapses and fails because Quebec left, then that tells you something about our country doesn't it? If Quebec is the only thing keeping this nation together, then maybe Canada should be called Quebec or New France.

en·e·my (

n

-m

)n. pl. en·e·mies One who feels hatred toward, intends injury to, or opposes the interests of another; a foe.

Fits the Coalition fairly well

Doesn't to me. As I personally see it, all of these parties, who represent the canadian citizens who voted them in democractically, wish to unite to give us a government that will finally do something so that this country doesn't collapse because of the Conservatives' incompetence.

The fact that Harper and the Conservatives have purposely brought up the seperatist issue and brand one section of our population as the bad guys (when it was never even the case)..... that to me is warrent for being branded a traitor because he purposely attempted to divide the nation against itself just to save his own ass.

But I don't use the term traitor that loosely as I feel a traitor in this situation would be someone who hands us to another country, or if Quebec actually had the intentions of destroying Canada or taking it over.

As for getting back on track, every meeting I've attended, on-line, face to face, conference call, video feed, always starts with introductions. To first invite the wrong person and then to rush in without any protocol shows a true lack of understanding of professionalism.

I'd still rather honesty and screw ups over deception and breaking the law.

 

[JLM]

Yeah well too bad it's not that way, since the person creating the thread is the person who sets up the topic to debate, unless they state it is open for any debate.

Which is isn't..... so stay on topic.

Pretty please with little rainbow gumdrops.

Before you get too santimonious you may want to learn to read, Einstein.

 

[JLM]

Well it's about as civil as it's going to get with me without kissing people's asses..... and I don't say anything I wouldn't expect others to say back to me if they were true.



Yup.... who betrayed the country and what is your definition of betraying the country?



So who is the enemy? The Bloc? The entire province of Quebec? The people you claim are the enemy are Canadian citizens and the only thing they are risking from seperation is their own province and people, not Canada.

And if Canada collapses and fails because Quebec left, then that tells you something about our country doesn't it? If Quebec is the only thing keeping this nation together, then maybe Canada should be called Quebec or New France.



Doesn't to me. As I personally see it, all of these parties, who represent the canadian citizens who voted them in democractically, wish to unite to give us a government that will finally do something so that this country doesn't collapse because of the Conservatives' incompetence.

The fact that Harper and the Conservatives have purposely brought up the seperatist issue and brand one section of our population as the bad guys (when it was never even the case)..... that to me is warrent for being branded a traitor because he purposely attempted to divide the nation against itself just to save his own ass.

But I don't use the term traitor that loosely as I feel a traitor in this situation would be someone who hands us to another country, or if Quebec actually had the intentions of destroying Canada or taking it over.



I'd still rather honesty and screw ups over deception and breaking the law.

Hey, Lineman, you may as well try reasoning with a block of concrete.

 

[Praxius]

Hey, Lineman, you may as well try reasoning with a block of concrete.

Hey JLM, maybe you should grow the hell up and contribute something useful for once in your life..... or take a flying fuk into a cactus.

Ah yes, and this is where you respond with something like "Oh very mature, Einstein." and add a few more of your trivial childish insults my way

and then I respond back with how much of a teenaged punk-ass troll you are and go from there.....

Einstein indeed.... I knew what you were planning on doing the moment you posted in here, just as I already knew you would continue with these trivial and childish comments, because you don't have enough brain matter to formulate your own opinion on the original topic in an intelligent fashion.

So then you resort to trying to act smart with your insults and antagonizing trollish ways and get pissy when you're called out on it by someone who isn't fooled by your idiot ways.

Let me guess, you're that kid that always tried to fit in at school, but everytime you tried, people thought you were weird, a loser and made fun of how you talked every chance they got..... so now you head onto the internet and look for a forum where you can try and act like to cool kid you never could be, by acting like an ignorant bully with petty, repetitive insults because you can't even think up anything original and decent by yourself...... and then you sit back and laugh at your own comments, thinking you made yourself into a big shot.

Nope.... you're still a loser and everybody is still laughing at you because of your loser ways.

Are people laughing and making fun of me?

The difference is that I don't care..... but I sure as fok won't back down from some punk troll like you who couldn't even fathom up a decent name other then three letters and no avatar because you don't have enough education to figure out how to upload one.

Feeling better about yourself now that you got the response you have been trying so desperately to get?

Suck it up long and hard princess, sometimes you get what you wish for, and I'm still feeling generous from the holidays.

Bring it on sh*t head.

 

[shadowshiv]

Wow. This has gone on long enough. Stop with the personal insults and keep to the topic at hand. This goes for everyone.

 

[Cannuck]

en·e·my ( n -m )n. pl. en·e·mies One who feels hatred toward, intends injury to, or opposes the interests of another; a foe....

Doesn't to me. As I personally see it, all of these parties, who represent the canadian citizens who voted them in democractically, wish to unite to give us a government that will finally do something so that this country doesn't collapse because of the Conservatives' incompetence.

Since the majority of Canadians oppose the coalition trying to grab power, it can be said that Canadians and the members of the coalition "oppose the interests" of each other. Logically then, the coalition partners and their supporters are enemies of Canada.

 

[Cannuck]

Are people laughing and making fun of me?

Is that a rhetorical question or do you really want an answer?

 

[Praxius]

Since the majority of Canadians oppose the coalition trying to grab power, it can be said that Canadians and the members of the coalition "oppose the interests" of each other. Logically then, the coalition partners and their supporters are enemies of Canada.

You or I have no clue what the majority of Canadians oppose or agree apon, as there has been no real solid study or an opportunity yet to determine one way or another what people agree apon or not.

Then again, much of the reports I have heard in the news about public opinion on the Coalition and were opposed to the idea, also had no idea about how our paticular democracy opperates and assumed it was similar to the US's style of democracy, which it certainly isn't, no matter how much Harper would like to try and make it so.

And when you have so many people ill-informed on how our democracy works, and we have a prime minister who flat-out lies to the public and telling them it's an illegal back-door power grab..... then there's a real big problem.

imo.

 

[Praxius]

Is that a rhetorical question or do you really want an answer?

It was a rhetorical question, which means I already know the answer or I just don't care. (Which I previously explained ;-))

but anywho, as the moderator said, let's move on and get back to topic shall we? There's a somewhat interesting debate going on amongst some of the trash that I'd like to keep going.

 

[taxslave]

Wow. This has gone on long enough. Stop with the personal insults and keep to the topic at hand. This goes for everyone.

Getting back sort of on track: Praxius more or less said that Quebecers or perhaps better the Bloc are not traitors for wanting to separate from Canada. That is largely perception. To the Yankees Paul Revere was a hero, to the British he was a traitor. However the Bloc has stated that it must be the whole of Quebec that leaves. The natives who make up the majority of the population in the Northern part would rather stay within Canada but the Bloc said that cannot be. Therefore the Bloc only speaks for a small part of Quebec. If I could recall where I read this I would include it but it was a few years ago.
Back to the NDP's inability to figure out who their own MP's are. Until we know EXACTLY how the invite was worded and responded to the legality of it is mere speculation. It is not likely that an Email got delivered to the wrong address like snail mail. The one fact is that their security is lax and in business anyone that got an invite to a competitors meeting by accident would certainly take advantage of it.