Paganism - the ancient religion of our ancestors

[MHz]

I'd really like to see this happen, Sir Joseph!

Just watch the banksters, the higher their loans to India the closer it gets. Does the guy with the money usually get to decide what happens next? Usually, so India would just be another puppet on their strings (being that the same families have had control for centuries). Even in wars both side deal with the same bankers (eventually) @ interest. If they both have to start buying a lot of new hardware, who wins? The banksters (who give credit) and the arms manufacturers. Even if hostilities break-out it is unlikely all the purchases made will be used, if they are then more money is needed and the cycle starts again.

Total annihilation would suit the west (after a long initial battle), the radio-active wastes would make any passage from further east impossible. If the winds are right it will blow DU particles over Iran but not as far as Iraq.

 

[Vereya]

Just watch the banksters, the higher their loans to India the closer it gets. Does the guy with the money usually get to decide what happens next? Usually, so India would just be another puppet on their strings (being that the same families have had control for centuries). Even in wars both side deal with the same bankers (eventually) @ interest. If they both have to start buying a lot of new hardware, who wins? The banksters (who give credit) and the arms manufacturers.

MHz, I used to argue with you on every possible point. But this time I TOTALLY agree with you. The same bankers, the same families, just pulling the strings to get money and power, the more the better, regardless of how many innocent people would suffer and die in the process. It makes me sick to think of it, and the worst is that there is no getting away from it. No matter where you live, no matter where you go, it is just the same everywhere.

 

[darkbeaver]

Sure.

Why you no believe me? I demand the money you owe me and and apology.

 

[Said1]

Why you no believe me? I demand the money you owe me and and apology.

What's this money you keep talking about? I have no memory of 2007. Sorry.

 

[darkbeaver]

What's this money you keep talking about? I have no memory of 2007. Sorry.

Let's not change the subject. We were talking about bankers and war. You have an opinion at odds with the facts surrounding both war and bankers. War is very big business. War makes money, money makes war, those are time worn facts actually carved in stone. It is not possible for you to successfully disagree.
I will accept your personal cheaque.:lol:

 

[Cliffy]

cheaque ???

Is this French for cheek? Or are you being cheeky?

 

[darkbeaver]

cheaque ???

Is this French for cheek? Or are you being cheeky?

Sorry Cliffy. I should have made it clear by now that I am a practicioner of alternative spelling. How do you spell check anyway? That's a hard word for me to normal spell.;-)

 

[Cliffy]

darkbeaver,

personally I thought you were being cheeky, there Spanky!

 

[Said1]

Let's not change the subject. We were talking about bankers and war. You have an opinion at odds with the facts surrounding both war and bankers. War is very big business. War makes money, money makes war, those are time worn facts actually carved in stone. It is not possible for you to successfully disagree.
I will accept your personal cheaque.:lol:

Obviously, having used the word 'sure' to express agreement has not only caught you off guard, it has also led you to the false conclusion that you could extort money from me! Your erroneous, knee jerk like behavior is shocking and appalling in light of that fact that you know I have always been a shy, quiet women of very few words!

Know that I will not succumb to your bullying or illegal pressure tactics!!

 

[L Gilbert]

The odds are most of those can cause some sort of emotion, even if it is just relaxing your body and mind for a few moments it isn't spiritualism.

roflmao
Last I heard, spiritualism was the belief system revolving around the idea that the dead and the living could communicate in a systematic manner.

 

[L Gilbert]

Ok, my paroxysms of laughter have calmed down now. I can say something about spirituality. (Sorry. Had another fit of laughter) Now I will say something about spirituality.
Spirituality is a myth, IMO, but I think it is what people believing in mysticism would mean by something that they seek because it gives them an elated state of not being self-conscious caused by something that awes them; something that catches them unawares, so to speak, and makes them think someone in the universe arranged it for their benefit. Personally, I think I simply experience these things because I happen to be in the right place at the right time. Decades ago I came to the conclusion I didn't need some person's help, or some mythical being's help, or the threat of hell, the reward of fantasyland (heaven) to do good.

 

[Vereya]

Spirituality is a myth, IMO, but I think it is what people believing in mysticism would mean by something that they seek because it gives them an elated state of not being self-conscious caused by something that awes them;

Spirituality is mainly about expanded and improved self-consciousness, not about turning it off. The state of not being self-conscious IS actually the everday state of a non-spiritual person.

something that catches them unawares, so to speak, and makes them think someone in the universe arranged it for their benefit. Personally, I think I simply experience these things because I happen to be in the right place at the right time. Decades ago I came to the conclusion I didn't need some person's help, or some mythical being's help, or the threat of hell, the reward of fantasyland (heaven) to do good.

No one in the universe will arrange anything of the kind for you, you'll have to work to get this. And since you just happen to be in the right place at the right time, how come you still didn't get to the place whey they are handing out millions of dollars, or royal titles? ;-)

 

[MHz]

roflmao
Last I heard, spiritualism was the belief system revolving around the idea that the dead and the living could communicate in a systematic manner.

Now it's my turn ROFLMAO

 

[L Gilbert]

Spirituality is mainly about expanded and improved self-consciousness, not about turning it off. The state of not being self-conscious IS actually the everday state of a non-spiritual person.

I don't think so. I think it is more about the awareness of one's being in relation to things outside oneself. One does not have to be self-conscious to do that. Besides, I was referring to a post that someone made about being in awe of some natural phenomenon or other.

No one in the universe will arrange anything of the kind for you, you'll have to work to get this.

I don't think any mystical being would arrange it for me either. Which is my point: spirituality is a myth.

And since you just happen to be in the right place at the right time, how come you still didn't get to the place whey they are handing out millions of dollars, or royal titles? ;-)

Not looking for millions of dollars, or even yen. Not looking for royalties either. lol

 

[L Gilbert]

Now it's my turn ROFLMAO

I am glad you can laugh at your own booboos.


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[Spade]

To all pagans everywhere!

Happy Saturnalia and Merry Mithras!

Cousin Spade

 

[Cliffy]

To all pagans everywhere!

Happy Saturnalia and Merry Mithras!

Cousin Spade

And right back at ya, cousin Spade. Have you been off to places unknown? cause we missed your wisdom and humour in these parts. Was beginning to wonder if you'd ever show up here again.

 

[Vereya]

Happy holidays, everyone! :smile:

 

[Spade]

And right back at ya, cousin Spade. Have you been off to places unknown? cause we missed your wisdom and humour in these parts. Was beginning to wonder if you'd ever show up here again.

Been in the nether regions! Internet connection there was too slow (satelite only) and expensive to post; but we're back! Gawd bless!

 

[Cliffy]

When I was about 20 I had a spiritual experience which changed my life. I was going out with a young Francophone lady. On one summer weekend I was staying with her at her parents’ home in Montreal. On Sunday morning her parents decided we should accompany them to church. I think they suspected we were up to a little hanky panky (and quite rightly so) and were in need of a little religious reminder.
I hadn’t been for a few years and wasn’t looking forward to it. They took us to an English Catholic church in my honour.
The structure was a modern (for the mid-sixties), low, dome shape. That morning a strange thing happened. When they turned on the cooling system, the fans went in reverse. The consequence was that the accumulated dust in the filters ended up in the church. About two inches of dirt covered everything. We had to sit and sweat in all this filth.
This day they had a guest priest from the Arch Diocese of Greater Montreal area to deliver the sermon. He raved and ranted and pounded the pulpit, for a good half hour, admonishing these good people for the fact that only one English Catholic priest had been ordained in the entire city the previous year.
Well, here we were, wallowing in this sea of dust and dirt and this guy is laying a mega-guilt trip on us, causing most to squirm in their pews. Suddenly, he paused, took a deep breath, raised his arms to the sky and said, in a much calmer and quieter voice, “Perhaps this is a sign from God...” lowered his arms to the ground, “...showering His blessings upon us.”
I shrieked in hysteria, and then, suddenly fearing for my life, bolted from the church, never to return. I have no idea what anybody else got from his attempt at metaphor but I didn’t see all that dirt as a blessing. To me it seemed we had been crapped on from on high.
For me it had been a sign that organized religion was not the path for me. A few years later I saw a bumper sticker which read, “Jesus was the first Anarchist”. To me that made sense. I read what he had to say and what he did with his life. I surmized from it he was trying to tell us the spiritual journey is to be a solo one - a personal odyssey. Judging by his contempt for the religious sorts of the day, he didn’t seem to have much use for organized religion, either.