Parliament prorogued

[Francis2004]

I think you are right, but I sure think there's better use for 300 million smackeroos.

300 million... By the next election it will have been 600 million and counting.. How many more within a year ?

At the rate we are going we could reach 1.2 billion in election costs if this does not stop..

Hence the question, why did Harper break his own election law of every 4 years unless the governemnt falls ?

 

[Ron in Regina]

I wonder if it looked anything like this one:

I'm not seeing the word "Coalition" anywere in this above document. It's a call for
an election (letting the voters actually decide on their future? Novel idea?) after
the 38th sitting of Parliment is disolved. Hmmm...

 

[elevennevele]

So this is what the baby steps to fascism feels like in Canada. It feels pretty horrible if you understand Canadian Parliamentary Law and the value of the vote our 'elected' representatives are supposed to have if it were not for the doors of Parliament being closed to them.

My expectations should be pretty low however. I mean if our Governor General doesn't seem to understand our Parliamentary System, why should I expect the average Canadian? That is why it was her job to do the right thing. To not go along with the subversion of our political process. She was suppose to be the final check and balance that would protect us from any abuse of power by doing the simplest thing. The simplest thing of taking the stance of upholding 'procedure' as outlined by the rule of our Parliamentary Laws. It was that simple and she failed us.

In the USA, when a political party eavesdrops and records the private conversations of another party, a person like Richard Nixon gets impeached and it becomes a huge topic. In Canada it only makes passing news, and then is pushed even farther away to the side as the media normalizes the undemocratic activities of a Prime Minister doing and saying whatever it takes to maintain and expand a grip on power.

I'll be the first to say regarding the Liberals (and I've said it long before), get rid of Dion. Put in a person who can communicate with Canadians, consolidate this coalition representing the majority of the voting public (who did vote democratically a representative of the other political parties to have some sort of voice regarding the direction of this country), and then flush this wanabee dictator Steven Harper down the political sewer with the rest of his circle of liars.



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[Francis2004]

I'm not seeing the word "Coalition" anywere in this above document. It's a call for
an election (letting the voters actually decide on their future? Novel idea?) after
the 38th sitting of Parliment is disolved. Hmmm...

Than you need to read it again Ron.. Its pretty clear what it says and its not asking for an election as you state..

 

[Scott Free]

So this is what the baby steps to fascism feels like in Canada. It feels pretty horrible if you understand Canadian Parliamentary Law and the value of the vote our 'elected' representatives are supposed to have if it were not for the doors of Parliament being closed to them.

My expectations should be pretty low however. I mean if our Governor General doesn't seem to understand our Parliamentary System, why should I expect the average Canadian? That is why it was her job to do the right thing. To not go along with the subversion of our political process. She was suppose to be the final check and balance that would protect us from any abuse of power by doing the simplest thing. The simplest thing of taking the stance of upholding 'procedure' as outlined by the rule of our Parliamentary Laws. It was that simple and she failed us.

In the USA, when a political party eavesdrops and records the private conversations of another party, a person like Richard Nixon gets impeached and it becomes a huge topic. In Canada it only makes passing news, and then is pushed even farther away to the side as the media normalizes the undemocratic activities of a Prime Minister doing and saying whatever it takes to maintain and expand a grip on power.

I'll be the first to say regarding the Liberals (and I've said it long before), get rid of Dion. Put in a person who can communicate with Canadians, consolidate this coalition representing the majority of the voting public (who did vote democratically a representative of the other political parties to have some sort of voice regarding the direction of this country), and then flush this wanabee dictator Steven Harper down the political sewer with the rest of his circle of liars.

Absolutely!!!!

 

[Inteligento]

My question is the %'age...I think we're on the same page.

I'm say'n conditions (improved or different product) attached to all $$$ handed out.

The handouts will go to things like infrastructure and sponsorship scandles.

 

[Inteligento]

Absolutely!!!!

You should see my post: Democracy-reforming the Canadian system

 

[Socrates the Greek]

In my opinion, we will be going back to the polls.

scratch

Good morning scratch, 100% another election will be inevitable, with these possible scenario.....
1: The Liberals will move quickly to replace Dion sooner then the leadership convention is over, Eggy will be the interim until the final results of the L.C
2: Harper has just finished playing the role of the traitor against Quebec
which means a possible total Quebec seat lose and subsequently another minorety for the Cons, being that Québécois feel betrayed because 6 weeks ego Harper was suck-alling to Québécois for their suport and today they are seporetists, the Block represents a biger number of voters than Cons in Quebec.
Just a thought or two....

 

[Francis2004]

Ron,

In my personal opinion the coalition will die and the alternative...?

rgs
scratch

Anyone who thought it would last a long time was crazy.. The object was more to remove Harper and place a stimulous budget in place.. After that it was going to be a free for all as I could not see it go past those two events..

Now we must wait 7 weeks for anyone to make a choice, either Harper or the 3 Amigo parties as a coalition or not.. Regardless of the coalition the Government wuill probably still fall in Jan at the Throne Speech or Budget if harper cannot bring more civility to the house..

 

[Inteligento]

Democracy-reforming the Canadian system

You should see my post: Democracy-reforming the Canadian system

 

[Lester]

I guess there's a lot of folks ticked off at the coalition- they had better hope the GG lets them form a Government. read more here.

Support for Tories up amid House crisis, CBC-EKOS poll suggests

 

[Scott Free]

The GG is from Haiti where this kind of thing is commonplace.

It isn't much of a surprise she would support fascism.

 

[Scott Free]

Yeah, I'll admit I don't either. I probably should have looked into it first but it does seem awfully suspicious.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

You think maybe she sympathized with Aristide?

Possibly...

 

[Scott Free]

Biography of Her Excellency the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean, Governor General of Canada

Michaëlle Jean was born in Port au Prince, Haiti. As a young child, in 1968, she fled her country with her family and sought refuge in Canada.


After earning a Bachelor of Arts in Italian and Hispanic languages and literature, she undertook studies toward earning a Master of Arts degree in comparative literature at the University of Montreal. From 1984 to 1986, she taught at the university's Faculty of Italian Studies. During the 1980s, she studied linguistics and literature at the University of Perugia, the University of Florence, and the Catholic University of Milan, all of which cited her for excellence. She is fluent in five languages: French, English, Italian, Spanish and Creole.


As she pursued her studies and academic interests, Madame Jean worked for eight years (1979 to 1987) with shelters and transition homes for abused women in Quebec. She was also involved in aid organizations for immigrant women and families, and worked at Employment and Immigration Canada and the Conseil des Communautés culturelles du Québec.


For 18 years, Michaëlle Jean enjoyed a brilliant career as a journalist and anchor of information programs. She joined Radio-Canada in 1988, working successively as a reporter and host on news and public affairs programs such as Actuel, Montréal ce soir, Virages and Le Point. In 1995, she started anchoring a number of Réseau de l'Information (RDI) programs at Radio-Canada. In 1999, she was also asked by the English network, CBC Newsworld, to host The Passionate Eye and Rough Cuts, which broadcast the best in Canadian and foreign documentary films.
In 2001, Michaëlle Jean began anchoring the weekend edition of the major news broadcast Le Téléjournal. In 2003, she became the anchor of Le Téléjournal's daily edition Le Midi.


In 2004, she started her own show, Michaëlle, broadcast on both French-language public television networks. This program featured a series of in-depth interviews with experts, enthusiasts and visionaries.


Madame Jean has won numerous honours for her professional achievements.
Michaëlle Jean is married to Jean-Daniel Lafond. They have a six-year-old daughter, Marie-Éden. Madame Jean's family also includes Mr. Lafond's two daughters from a previous marriage and his two grandchildren.

Source

 

[JLM]

300 million... By the next election it will have been 600 million and counting.. How many more within a year ?

At the rate we are going we could reach 1.2 billion in election costs if this does not stop..

Hence the question, why did Harper break his own election law of every 4 years unless the governemnt falls ?

Yep, and the three Stooges will still be there. The election law was explained in detail on either T.V. or radio recently- don't remember the exact ramifications but that law was only for majority gov'ts- not for minority when the gov't. is in danger of being brought down- made perfect sense to me at the time I heard it.

 

[Scott Free]

You think maybe she sympathized with Aristide?

Possibly...

I'm more concerned she is influenced by Papa Doc. It could be she is scared of Harper or just generally too frightened by the situation. As evidence I would submit that she spoke with Harper almost immediately after arriving in Canada (there was no urgency - that seems fear motivated) and while in Europe when asked what she thought she said she haden't spoken to the PM yet and didn't know what he wanted. This sounds to me like a GG that doesn't understand her power or responsibility. I just suspect that her history might be one reason for her deriliction of duty.

I realize she is well educated and so forth but her wounds might run deep when you consider what her family had to flee:


1957-1971:After working for a time as a traditional doctor, Francois Duvalier became one of Haiti’s most famous doctors. In 1957, Duvalier is elected President of the Republic of Haiti. President Duvalier announced: "My government will guarantee the exercise of liberty to all Haitians". Francois Duvalier, also known for his nickname "Papa Doc", emerged as Head of State and quickly gained nearly absolute power. In 1961 "Papa Doc" rewrote the National Constitution. After, he became the first "President for Eternity of Haiti". In the 1960s and 1970s "Papa Doc" popularizes superstitions ideas to Haiti through a series of important voodoo rites. The Duvalier dictatorship instituted rig press censorship. International agencies accuse government of grave human rights abuses. His regime of terror resulted in the deaths of least 30000 Haitian. The Island is one of the most dangerous countries in the Third World.

Would you say no to Papa Doc? Remember she knows how fascism starts and how to survive it - we don't.

 

[Zzarchov]

I'm not seeing the word "Coalition" anywere in this above document. It's a call for
an election (letting the voters actually decide on their future? Novel idea?) after
the 38th sitting of Parliment is disolved. Hmmm...

He's in loose consultation with the Bloc, which is his big problem with the current Liberal-NDP coalition, apparently that they are in loose consultation with the Bloc.

He specifically in that letter asked NOT to have another election (as he at that point had no shot at being the government)

He instead asked that the Conservatives be allowed to form a Government with the NDP and Bloc supporting him on non-confidence measures.

Its exactly the same frickin thing.

This isn't some new Idea of a Coalition floating around, everytime a minority government is a possibility it is discussed how coalitions may form from unlikely sources after the results come in.

Harper is just mad his previous allies the Bloc have turned against him.

 

[Scott Free]

You can't form a government with those people - elected or not - really? What were those people thinking when they voted. What did you think kid? This was a democracy?

 

[Risus]

Anyone who thought it would last a long time was crazy.. The object was more to remove Harper and place a stimulous budget in place.. After that it was going to be a free for all as I could not see it go past those two events..

Now we must wait 7 weeks for anyone to make a choice, either Harper or the 3 Amigo parties as a coalition or not.. Regardless of the coalition the Government wuill probably still fall in Jan at the Throne Speech or Budget if harper cannot bring more civility to the house..

The coalition is starting to fall apart already. I doubt the Government will fall in January.