Could a Liberal-NDP-Bloc Alliance be a good thing for languages?
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So if independents get nothing, why should parties. I'm not in favout of independents getting anything beyond maybe a website paid for them for the duration of the campaign. Same with party members.
But as for the 1.95, though I would rather nobody gets it, if push comes to shove and somebody must get it, then I'd say independent candidates and not parties should get fist dibs considering that independents are generally at a disadvantage over parties already.
But to make it simpler, my prefered option would be just scrap the 1.95 altogether. A website is all the candidate needs. Heck, if he has no computer, he can just use one at the local library!
Any educated voter could just as easily go to his website and e-mail him any question they want to ask. How much more money does anyone really need more than that. Same with parties, and like I said parties get even more of an advantage owing to sponsorship, etc.
Any gov't that includes in any way the BQ is completely beyond the Pale, IMHO.
Any party that enters into a coalition with the BQ should be sent to the political wilderness for a long, long time.
People babble on about only 37% voting for a Harper government........
How many voted for a gov't that includes Separatists???????
AND, it seems nobody whines about the Liberals' two MAJORITIES with less than 40% of the vote......
I shake my head......
How about a simpler solution? Everyone gets a number of votes equal to their networth!
The system was put in place because without it there is increasing inbalance in representation.
What is your problem with parties getting money based on the number of people who support them. Who are you to tell me that I can't give my $1.97 to the part of my choice?
Writing a cheque for $1.97 isn't really cost effective. If you don't like it, don't vote for a party if you don't want to give them $1.97.
People decided we were ok with giving $1.97 to the party we support, what gives the minority the right to overrule the majority?
I certainly don't want another election nor do I want to see a change in Gov't without "THE PEOPLE" having a say in it.
My mistake and you are correct..
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But as I was referring too the many parties that do exceed those numbers.
An Independent as such would only be having local expenses any how..
But then again how would you have a country with one main political party and the rest all being Independent running candidates?
My problem with this is the following:
What if I choose to vote for a particular candidate because i like his ideas, but don't necessarily agree with his party? In this case I'm essentially being forced to support his party by voting for him. Last election I almost voted for the Green candidate. In the end I put in a blank ballot partially because of the $1.95. Of course there were other reasons, but that was one of them. After all, if I don't want to support any party financially then I have no choice but to not vote for any party member. But if all the candidates on the ballot are party members, then I have no choice but to spoil the ballot. What kind of blackmail 'democracy' is that? Rule of the majority is democratic, but not necessarily just. At that stage, democracy becomes nothing more than a weapon, a means to suppress the minority.
Colby, what is it about the Bloc you hate the most?
The fact that most of them were high ranking Conservatives that left your party or that their leader and platform was more popular then all other in the last Federal Election amongst the rest of Canadian outside Quebec?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloc_Quebecois
The people of Canada would love a leader like Gille Duceppe..
http://www.theglobeandmail.com: Duceppe a hit with Canadian voters outside Quebec
Now me personally as long as the leader holds his word and follows thru on delivering the basics, that is what I am looking for..
Also its not like they are stealing the votes.. They legally get them like all other parties.. Whether it is to represent one region of the country alone is irrelevant, they are no different then an independent member in the house for their views.. Now whether I agree with their view is totally different and why I am no longer in Quebec, but why would I refuse them the right to exist in a democracy..
I am just curious ?
Colpy isn't here to respond, but my impression is this: Colpy is a Canadian First &
a Canadian Second! I believe he might see the Bloc as Separatists First, and Canadians second
when it's convenient. I could be wrong, and I'm making assumptions, but that would
answer your question if that was the case. I'm sure he'll be all over your question for
you when he's on-line next.
Hopefully, I'm not too far off target in my assumptions as,
if I am, he'll set me straight very quickly also...and rightfully so.
1. The BQ is a party dedicated to the destruction of Canada as a nation.
That in itself should be enough for the other Federal parties to stay a country mile away from them. Of course, Quebecois have every right to vote for whichever party they wish,......but that does not mean that the other parties have to treat the BQ as equals. I would think that responsible people in the Commons would keep the BQ as politely ostrasized as possible.....thus making it clear to the people of Quebec that voting for a separatist party keeps them far from the levers of power.....it is counter-productive.
The bloody idiot Libs and NDP are about to put the BQ in the position of lookout on the ship of state.....a ship they would like to see wrecked on the rocks.
Unbelieveably irresponsible, and I'm being very nice.
2. The BQ is far to the left of any of the other parties. Duceppe (whom I actually like as an honest and intelligent man) is a former proclaimed Marxist (so was I, but I grew out of it before I was 20) and is still a statist to the core.
Oh the Horror!
3. NOBODY outside of Quebec, voted for a gov't that included the Separatist Party. Not one single person.
4. The Bloc was formed from people that deserted the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada under Brian Mulroney.
That was not and IS NOT, I repeat NOT, my party. I voted PC a total of ONCE in my life......I joined Reform early, and as the Canadian Alliance, destroyed and absorbed the old PC Party. I was never a PC, neither were the vast majority of members of the Conservative Party Of Canada
5. Thanks Ron, you were dead on.
Ron I was born in Quebec but I have been a CANADIAN FIRST PERIOD ( no second or third ).. Removing anyone else's right is above anything else NOT Canadian and why our Canadian Armed Forces are in Afghanistan fighting and giving their lives.
I don't agree with the Bloc but I respect their right to exist just as I respected the right to the Alberta / Western Separatist Party to exist. Its called democracy and the only way to stomp it out is by education, compromise and pride within our country by not by telling people what to do but working with them..
Colby did you ever hear the expression "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" ?
The Bloc may not have Canada's best interest at heart but it has a Big Chunk of it at this time.. It must listen to that Chunk of Canada called Quebec, which I remind you is still part of Canada, and regardless of its original intent of Separation, let it not fool you that it must listen to its people.. If not it will suffer the faith of many other Parties..
As for your opinion of the Liberals and NDP, being that you are Conservative / Reform, I certainly will not change that will I.. Personally I voted Independent in the last election, so don't blame me..
SirFrancis2004, Good on you! I didn't say Quebec or Quebecors, but the Bloc. I
made an assumption (an educated guess). Please see the post directly above
yours (point#5).
With all due respect Lone Wolf, that is an incredibly ridiculous comment.
French is never indigenous to anyone who speaks and understands the language properly. You'll find different kind of accents throughout Quebec, but French is French... There are no different ''versions'' of French beyond the local and cultural differences found in ANY relatively wide-spread language.
We are talking about how we don't want a vote at this time. Of course we don't. We should be talking about how we don't want any change at this time. An election is too expensive right now - especially one right after the other. Secondly, why would you want a coalition? Dream on anyone who thinks they will get along at any given time. Tell me - who is going to lead this "group"? The Liberals don't have a leader. Layton couldn't lead a horse to water and to speak of the block we might as well be talking about the Premiers of each province in reality. There are no Bloc reps. in any other province. I've never quite understood the reason they are included at all. In fact - the Green Party deserves more reconition then the Bloc does when it comes to representing all of Canada. Someone said that Quebec is a large part of Canada. Well it goes back to the same old same old. You are right that Quebec is a part of Canada and separatists - in Quebec or any other province should go their separate ways. That doesn't mean they get to take the land. The whole world is in a mess. Why would we make a change in government now? If nothing else, the Conservatives have at least been in control for a couple of years now and whether you like him or not, Stephen Harper is in control of the party. The other leaders - Layton in particular, is what I see as a trouble maker. So focused on himself. He cannot seem to see that he is never going to lead this country. I think he sees it that if they form a coalition, the Bloc leader is out for the position, Libs. don't have a leader and he's thinking he's a shoe in. It's all too bizarre! Now in the midst of all this turmoil the NDP is thinking of suing the Conservatives for eavesdropping. They seem to be claiming that their back room meetings to attempt to overthrow the government are all okay and natural but it's not fair ball if the government listens to the game. I say the government gets to listen in on the game.