Do you believe in EVIL?

[Dexter Sinister]

Does science ever resist change?

Not science as such, science doesn't *do* anything in that sense, it's just a body of ideas and data and theories and procedures, but individual scientists certainly do. Generally it's the older ones, but that's part of the process: new ideas have to prove themselves, and it's actually a pretty scrappy process.

On the 1 book issue your coherence is breaking up, are you saying reading more than one version is required?

Probably a good idea. There are some interesting differences between the KJV and the Jerusalem Bible, for instance, and the latter has side notes and footnotes pointing out some of them.

Normally a book of fiction carries a disclaimer saying it is not meant to refer to actual events.

That's just standard legalese for protection against lawsuits.

The Bible makes no such claim to being fictious.

Doesn't mean it's true, or meant to be taken literally. The legal disclaimer in modern fiction is a 20th century invention, probably thanks to the litigious nature of a certain country...

 

[Cliffy]

In my book I say that every word is true and that you can take that to the bank, but nobody believes me. I just wrote it a couple of years ago but people prefer to believe a book that is 1700 years old written by a bunch of people and then mistranslated so many times it doesn't even come close to the original. My book was inspired by god. I can't prove it either but he dictated it to me while I was heavily sedated on the psych ward.

 

[VanIsle]

So you watch a magic show. A white man climbs into a massive micro-wave oven and a black man steps out when they open the door. That same black man appears to have his head cut off and be nothing but a "living" head. You see it with your eyes. Is it true?

IslandSpecific,

Wow! You saw that too. I never would have believed it either if I had not seen it with my own two eyes!

Well - he told me to "argue that" and I think I had a pretty good argument. Since you saw it too and he does say when he sees it with his own eyes it's true so - it must be true! Don't ya think!! :lol:

 

[Cliffy]

Yup! I have seen plenty of things, experienced plenty of things that most people roll their eyes at, but you know what? I know what I saw and experienced and my knowing or believing is not dependent on whether anybody else believes me or thinks I'm nuts. Call me crazy and I will thank you for being observant.

 

[scratch]

Oh...it exists all around us.

 

[MHz]

There are some interesting differences between the KJV and the Jerusalem Bible, for instance, and the latter has side notes and footnotes pointing out some of them.

The 1611 Edition intentionally left those 'aids' out (it says so in their pre-face) so as to not influence the reader. The same message would be arrived at without those study aids.
Why would I want to study the RCC version? That doesn't mean I don't compare how the various translations word certain verses, when it is required, which it hardly ever is unless talking to somebody who doesn't use the KJV.
If you want to get screwed up read a bit of Scripture then confirm it in 'many' history books before moving on. Aren't you living proof that it stalls any development? LOL

 

[MHz]

In my book I say that every word is true and that you can take that to the bank, but nobody believes me. I just wrote it a couple of years ago but people prefer to believe a book that is 1700 years old written by a bunch of people and then mistranslated so many times it doesn't even come close to the original. My book was inspired by god. I can't prove it either but he dictated it to me while I was heavily sedated on the psych ward.

I can see where some individual verses have translation errors but how would you go about messing up a whole passage, even with your obvious mental defects?
Case in point, in one verse the KJV uses 'all flesh' (meaning more than just mankind) and another translation use 'all mankind' will see salvation. Obviously two different groups but which is the accurate one? Fortunately the answer is given in more than one location, so to contaminate the meaning every instance would have to be tampered with and that wasn't done.

Quit blaming your lack of ability to understand something that requires a bit of thinking on a poor translation. It is a poor workman who blames his tools for a shoddy job.

 

[scratch]

I can see where some individual verses have translation errors but how would you go about messing up a whole passage, even with your obvious mental defects?
Case in point, in one verse the KJV uses 'all flesh' (meaning more than just mankind) and another translation use 'all mankind' will see salvation. Obviously two different groups but which is the accurate one? Fortunately the answer is given in more than one location, so to contaminate the meaning every instance would have to be tampered with and that wasn't done.

Quit blaming your lack of ability to understand something that requires a bit of thinking on a poor translation. It is a poor workman who blames his tools for a shoddy job.

Regardless, still a `fairy tale1.

 

[MissAnnika]

evil is live backwards.......

 

[Cliffy]

MHz,

There is one word that was changed by Constantine that negates the whole christian religion. Jesus said (from the original Greek) that he was "a" son of god (and that we are all children of god). Constantine changed that to read I am "the" son of god.
This from a man with a Doctorate of Divinity and a Masters degree in Theology and former bishop of the Anglican church.

You can never learn about the vast complexity of life, in particular, modern life by burying your head in an antique book that was a fairy tale when it was written. have you ever read the Dead Sea Scrolls or the Gnostic Gospels? All you ever do is quote the OT which was written by the Jews while in captivity in Babylon. All of it was borrowed from the Sumerians, Assyrians and Babylonians. Up until that point the Jews were just a bunch of goat herders.

 

[Cliffy]

evil is live backwards.......

MissAnnika,

and god is dog spelled backwards. Is god just a dog chasing its tail?

 

[scratch]

evil is live backwards.......

MissAnnika,

and god is dog spelled backwards. Is god just a dog chasing its tail?

Cute....

 

[MHz]

There is one word that was changed by Constantine that negates the whole christian religion. Jesus said (from the original Greek) that he was "a" son of god (and that we are all children of god). Constantine changed that to read I am "the" son of god.
This from a man with a Doctorate of Divinity and a Masters degree in Theology and former bishop of the Anglican church.

There are several variations that you should consider, there is Son of God and sons of God. One is singular one is plural, one has two caps, if those two phrases appeared in the same sentence one would have more authority than the other
Pretty easy to spot the difference in this verse.
Psalms:110:1: The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

The KJV was translated from the original Greek so what are you babbling about.

You can never learn about the vast complexity of life, in particular, modern life by burying your head in an antique book that was a fairy tale when it was written. have you ever read the Dead Sea Scrolls or the Gnostic Gospels? All you ever do is quote the OT which was written by the Jews while in captivity in Babylon. All of it was borrowed from the Sumerians, Assyrians and Babylonians. Up until that point the Jews were just a bunch of goat herders.

You are starting to repeat yourself, just like SJP.

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

There are several variations that you should consider, there is Son of God and sons of God. One is singular one is plural, one has two caps, if those two phrases appeared in the same sentence one would have more authority than the other
Pretty easy to spot the difference in this verse.
Psalms:110:1: The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

The KJV was translated from the original Greek so what are you babbling about.


You are starting to repeat yourself, just like SJP.

many Christians claim or even "God" Himself? Muslims say, "No, God does not have 'sons' or 'daughters

911bible

 

[Cliffy]

You are starting to repeat yourself, just like SJP.

You make a silly statement instead of refuting my remark with more silly verse?What has Psalm: 110:1 got to do with a son of god? The King James Bible was penned to allow Henry to divorce his wife (wives). The RCC was the authority of the day and the reformation was run by a bunch of rebels who wanted the same power as the pope. It was about politics, always has been, always will be. You are wasting your life.

 

[MHz]

many Christians claim or even "God" Himself? Muslims say, "No, God does not have 'sons' or 'daughters

911bible

These two 'titles' belong to Christ alone, Son of Man and Son of God.

Man today is son of Man (sons of Men). Men (once they can stand before God) and Angels can be called sons of God.

God will call men His sons, that is a very long way from being equal to Christ (no cap S in son).
Re:21:7: He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

 

[MHz]

You make a silly statement instead of refuting my remark with more silly verse?What has Psalm: 110:1 got to do with a son of god? The King James Bible was penned to allow Henry to divorce his wife (wives). The RCC was the authority of the day and the reformation was run by a bunch of rebels who wanted the same power as the pope. It was about politics, always has been, always will be. You are wasting your life.

It was showing you that all versions of the word 'lord' does not always apply to the same individual. It is the same with the terms under scrutiny.

The purpose of the 1611 was to get an English translation that was not influenced by the RCC, which the writers accomplished. Not their problem they all appear as a foreign language to you.

I found God a long time ago and it was through of help of one book, the one that taught me how to pray. You seem to have journeyed much furtherer than that with zip for a result. And here you are donating even more time and effort in the chase that is nothing more than illusion to you. If my life is wasted then what is yours in that God isn't acknowledging you and all verses are a blur because you cannot yet see.

 

[scratch]

I believe in evil.

 

[Vereya]

As to Bible, it does have some useful things to say, as long as you don’t take it literally and assume it to be the word of God. It is just a book written by a bunch of men 2000 years ago. Like any other boo, it has some good things, some words of wisdom, some nonsense, some rubbish in it.

The recipe for a good lie is to mix truth, half-truth and falsehood in accurately measured proportions. :-?

 

[daTerminehtor]

If one accepts there is good in this world, one must then accept there is also evil in this world.

Nothing to do with religion (IMO), although acts in the name of religion have been both good/bad over the years.