Ottawa's '09 deficit may hit $14B

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OTTAWA–An independent parliamentary review of the Harper government's finances concludes the federal Conservatives are likely to run budget deficits "in the near term," possibly beginning this year.
The report by Kevin Page, the new Parliamentary Budget Officer, says the weaker economic outlook poses a risk to the government's attempts to achieve its "short-term and medium-term fiscal targets."
Assuming no changes in Finance Minister Jim Flaherty's policies, "the downgraded economic outlook suggests the government would record modest and temporary deficits in the near term,"according to the analysis released this morning.
While a budget surplus is still possible this year, the report warns the negative impact on government revenues because of the turmoil on financial markets is not yet known.
"As a result, a deficit for this (2008-09) fiscal year is a distinct possibility."
Page says the deterioration of the federal government's financial picture in the first nine months of 2008 is not so much the result of the weakened economy as Flaherty's policies, particularly the latest reduction in the GST tax and reduced corporate income taxes. This has caused federal revenues to decline by $353 million in the first nine months of this year.
The budget office projects a budget deficit of $3.9 billion in 2009-10, although it adds that, if the economic downturn proves worse than expected, next year's federal deficit could hit $14 billion.
The budget office was created in 2006 to provide independent fiscal forecasts for parliamentarians. This is Page's first budgetary study.

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Gee....sounds a little worse than the 11 billion the cons said the Libs would run even though that number was completely made up out of thin air.....sort of like the air between a cons ears.:lol:

Why is it cons like putting government into deficit again and again and again?
 
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Thank you Harpo & Co., for lieing straight to our faces.

And he still gets elected. What a crock!
 

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I don't think it's going to be THAT bad. I expect a 3-4 billion dollar deficit and even less if oil prices spike before the end of the fiscal year.
 

Ron in Regina

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With the Global economic credit crunch spiraling many countries finances into the toilet,
I think this would have happened regardless of who'd won that election one month ago, &
the Conservatives happened to have promised away multiple billions less than the Liberals
or the NDP in the vote purchasing process. It could be worse...

Like it or not though, with the respective financial positions of the various Federal parties,
Harper's your guy whether you like it or not until the Fall of 2012. With a bit of luck, the
USA will not have come apart at the seams by then (class warfare, hungery rioting people
in the streets, ect...) and Canada won't be utterly scr*wed by the fact that the country that
we've been shipping 80%+ of our exportable products to has become so protectionist that
the only things flowing south will be oil and water.

Other than that, it's all Gumdrops and Rainbows. We'll learn very quickly to diversify our
export partners to survive, and in four years the Liberals will take power and quickly impose
Harpers Law&Order Legislation upon the citizenry to keep a sick&tired population from
burning them at the stake if they don't bring in harsh consequences to keep things in check.
The next eight years (1/2 under the Conservatives & 1/2 under the Liberals) will be an
interesting ride indeed.
 

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Thank you Harpo & Co., for lieing straight to our faces.

And he still gets elected. What a crock!

So, tell me, If Harper manages to work with the Liberals a co-operative Parliament with real negotiation and in common cause, will the deficit still be his fault? Along with the world economic crisis, the foreign policy of George W. Bush, global warming, the lack of peace in the middle east, the rise of totaltarianism in Russia, the weaknes of the UN, adolescent acne and the agony of psoriasis?

My guess would be "yes".
 

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So, tell me, If Harper manages to work with the Liberals a co-operative Parliament with real negotiation and in common cause, will the deficit still be his fault? Along with the world economic crisis, the foreign policy of George W. Bush, global warming, the lack of peace in the middle east, the rise of totaltarianism in Russia, the weaknes of the UN, adolescent acne and the agony of psoriasis?

My guess would be "yes".

A co-operative Parliament.... For that to happen, there has to be compromise. That's something control freaks don't do well. Now is the time for ALL of them to prove their mettle.
 

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I don't think it's going to be THAT bad. I expect a 3-4 billion dollar deficit and even less if oil prices spike before the end of the fiscal year.

No, I think it will be much worse than 3 to 4 billion, with huge spending programs and tax cuts the Tories will break the promise of not running a deficit once again proving they couldn't manage a lemonade stand let alone the country.

Cons=deficits.....every time.:roll:

I hope no one is surprised except maybe the dopey Canadians who bought Harpers LIES!
 

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Avro....I haven't been called a Con or a Neo-Con in weeks now, and after all the B.S. in the
last couple of weeks with all of the Threads on religion; ya' know....I almost miss that.
 

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Projected sales and revenue in the Christmas period this year is anticipated to be the worse since the great depression. This would impact the Federal income from the revenue resource of the GST as well as the drop in the revenue anticipated from the drop in recent weeks forecasted in the budget in continued high Oil prices that have not been sustained. Both results with the many foreseen layoffs that have been happening and the low consumer confidence doesn’t bode well for the economy and Federal revenue.

If all we are down is 14 billion I will be happy. This government totally missed the mark on the economy when it was obvious what trajectory it was going to take..
 

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Like it or not though, with the respective financial positions of the various Federal parties,
Harper's your guy whether you like it or not until the Fall of 2012

Oh goody, another con steering us into deficit becasue they can't control spending and cut taxes to reduce revenue. What we need is a Lib like Paul Martin to get us out of this mess like he did before. It only took the cons 2 years to erase the decade of Liberal surpluses...nice work cons.
 
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More con magic.....:roll:
Gee, I bet Harper hates Kevin Page right about now, the soon to be ex budgetary non partisan officer to be replaced by a con lacky I'm betting.

Harper gets upset when he can't control the message.
 

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Can we get the NDP in to restore the corporate taxes to 22.12% and then we can have 50 billion dollars freed up and also, lets restore the GST back to 7% too.
 

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Po & Co. would have to call another election or be defeated in a confidence vote for that to happen any time soon.

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Can we get the NDP in to restore the corporate taxes to 22.12% and then we can have 50 billion dollars freed up and also, lets restore the GST back to 7% too.

No, we can not "get the NDP in"......unless you've found a way to give about 30% of sensible Canadians a frontal lobotomy......then they, with the 18.2 percent that actually voted for the NDP last time, could elect Jack Layton as Prime Minister........

BTW, re-instating 50 billion dollars of corporate tax when the economy is tanking is sooooo idiotic it could have been proposed by......the NDP!

If companies go out of business, they don't pay taxes, nor do the people that loose their jobs in the process.......
 

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And the deficit that we are getting after years of surpluses could only be caused by... The Conservatives. Wow, what a surprise.
 

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Oh goody, another con steering us into deficit becasue they can't control spending and cut taxes to reduce revenue. What we need is a Lib like Paul Martin to get us out of this mess like he did before. It only took the cons 2 years to erase the decade of Liberal surpluses...nice work cons.

Ummmm....I don't remember Paul Martin being on the ballet the last time Canada rolled the
Federal voting dice a month ago. We could only choose from those that actually ran, & which
one of those would do the country the most good (or the least harm) in the next four years...
 

Ron in Regina

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And the deficit that we are getting after years of surpluses could only be caused by... The Conservatives. Wow, what a surprise.

Yep...the evil Conservatives, who single handedly put the worlds economy in the toilet.
Somehow though, with Canada's Conservatives being the Party that happened to be the
only one even close to the political center (not one of the four far left parties not even try'n
to pretend they're near the center) managed to get more Canadians (that even bothered to
peel their backsides of their sofas) to vote for them than any other party managed. Weird.

Go figure....perhaps it's a conspiracy by a huge chunk of the voting Canadian public to put
the country in a deficit position for the Liberals (or one of the other way left of center parties
busy stealing votes from each other) to ride in and save the day, but don't think so...

If the Conservatives where out to the right, and some other Party was closer to the middle
and not promising to p*ss away multi-BILLION'$$$ on vote purchasing promises and ham
-string'n economic schemes, I (& much of the 40% of the voting population that even bothered)
would have voted for that Party and not the Conservatives. Such is common sense though...

Can you really imagine bankrolling the policies of Stephane Dion or Jack Layton in the current
Global economic situation happening around us? If you can't, you can be thankful that at least
40% of the population that even bothered to go and vote could picture that.