There will be a Canadian Republic Party one day

Adriatik

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Adriatik, you were not quite clear with the topic. By Republican system, do you mean get rid of the monarchy? If so, you can forget it.

I am not opposed to the idea of a Republic, and if we did have a Republic today, I would be opposed to introducing monarchy in Canada.

However, now that we already have the monarchy, I would need a very good reason to get rid of it, and I haven’t come across one yet.

It is not as if the Queen is abusing her power. She doesn’t get involved in the internal affairs of Canada, GG pretty much rubber stamps everything. Where is the problem? My attitude is, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.


The problem with our current system is that its origins represent anti-democracy and autocracy.

Also, the head of state should be a person who is born here, and it should be someone who actually has a function in the government. The Queen and the GG have zero impact on legislation passed in the house of commons. Having the GG represent the Queen cost taxpayers money for nothing. The GG has a salary and has a government spending account paid by the Canadian people. Do you realize how many millions we spend annually for the GG's salary, travelling and meetings?

If we as Canadians pay to have a head of state, it might as well be someone we elect who is born here and actually has an impact.
 

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Why didn't Quebec go the way that you are advocating?

This is a complex question with complex answers... I don't think I can answer it but here are some thoughts.

The Quebec/Canada issue was extremely polarized in the last 25 years. You either want to seperate or remain in Canada. Or at least, that is how most of the debates go. There isn't much space in the debate for a middle-position in which one advocates a fundamental change in the structure of Canada in order to give Quebec and all other provinces more autonomy.

In Quebec in particular, the debate has been poisoned by the extreme hardcore seperatists who have got into their minds that Quebec should be on its own no matter what. These hard-core seperatists are like rocks. There's nothing you can ever to say to convince them that there is some good in Canada. They perceive Canada as the enemy, the invader, the evil oppressor. These people are stuck in an archaic view in which they see Quebec as their tribe and Canada as the tribal enemy. They still live in the time of the Conquest. They're born 250 years too late.

On the other hand, you've got the extreme hardcore federalists who want to stay in Canada no matter what. They blast Quebec and use fear tactics to scare it away from any attempt to claim more autonomy. They diminish Quebec by claiming it could never survive on its own (which simply isn't true). They demonize Quebec nationalism by accusing it of being racist and intolerant when in reality, they are blindly reacting to the extreme seperatists. They accuse Quebec of tyrannically imposing French on everyone like a dictatorship. That type of federalist usually sees Quebec culture as some lowly sub-culture that ought to disappear.

These people exist. And they sadly tend to polarize the debate to a point where all the middle and moderate positions are eclipsed. And all the moderate people tend to move on either side because of how they are perceived by the other...

Most people in the ROC have grown and learned to see Quebec nationalism as a menace to Canada. This has caused a subtle but widely spread disdain for any attempt by Quebec to get more autonomy. ROCers will accuse Quebec of being selfish and thinking they're more special than anybody else, which isn't true.

In Quebec, the Canadian disdain for Quebec nationalism is met with the opposite reaction. A disdain for the concept of Canadian unity. Federalism is seen as a prison in which Quebec's freedom is hindered, which also isn't true.

All this polarization has lead to resentment and bitterness on both sides. And today we are mostly left with cynicism and exhaustion. The seperatist movement is truly numb at this moment. It's stagnating and not moving forward. But on the other hand, a good majority of Quebecers don't feel any love for Canada at all. They've come to accept the fact that they are part of Canada but simply don't relate to it (ever been in Quebec on Canada day?)

So the push for decentralization has largely been drowned by the loud bickering between seperatists and federalists. There's been arguing for years and years and not a lot of people can see that the solution to this dilemma can only be found in the synthesis of the two opposites. We must find a way to balance the drive for autonomy with the drive for unity and I believe this can be done by giving more autonomy to the provinces. By doing this, we avoid having provinces fighting for their share in Ottawa. Instead we end up with provinces meeting together to cooperate and share.

The problem I see with Canada is that a lot of time and energy is wasted in sending money to Ottawa for it to then be sent back to the provinces. Can you see the error? The money should be staying in the provinces in the first place. Money sent to Ottawa should not come back to provinces. Money sent to Ottawa should be spent on issues that are strictly universal to all Canadians (such as defense).

Of course, the devil is in the details and while it's not so simple, we need to clearly establish once and for all what concerns provinces and what concerns Ottawa. For example, health is supposed to be a provincial issue. But perhaps all Canadians would agree that we want a quality and public health care for everyone. In that case, perhaps it would be wiser for the federal government to manage health. That would be a big load off the provinces which could more efficiently focus on education for example.

If we manage to clearly redefine the role of provinces vs. the role of Ottawa, we'll stop wasting so much energy, time and money in doing things at both the provincial and federal level. Canada will then be more efficient and united because as every province builds and sustains its own autonomy, Ottawa will be a place where Canadian resources are really put together for the benefit of all.
 
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""For those who said that I have NDP under my name.. I currently affiliate with the NDP because it also advocates a decentralization of the government""

Don't think so. Harpo is the one trying to Balkanize Canada. Then the Super Highway, et al can go ahead with no concerted opposition.

But, I could be wrong.
 

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This is a complex question with complex answers... I don't think I can answer it but here are some thoughts.

The Quebec/Canada issue was extremely polarized in the last 25 years. You either want to seperate or remain in Canada. Or at least, that is how most of the debates go. There isn't much space in the debate for a middle-position in which one advocates a fundamental change in the structure of Canada in order to give Quebec and all other provinces more autonomy.

In Quebec in particular, the debate has been poisoned by the extreme hardcore seperatists who have got into their minds that Quebec should be on its own no matter what. These hard-core seperatists are like rocks. There's nothing you can ever to say to convince them that there is some good in Canada. They perceive Canada as the enemy, the invader, the evil oppressor. These people are stuck in an archaic view in which they see Quebec as their tribe and Canada as the tribal enemy. They still live in the time of the Conquest. They're born 250 years too late.

On the other hand, you've got the extreme hardcore federalists who want to stay in Canada no matter what. They blast Quebec and use fear tactics to scare it away from any attempt to claim more autonomy. They diminish Quebec by claiming it could never survive on its own (which simply isn't true). They demonize Quebec nationalism by accusing it of being racist and intolerant when in reality, they are blindly reacting to the extreme seperatists. They accuse Quebec of tyrannically imposing French on everyone like a dictatorship. That type of federalist usually sees Quebec culture as some lowly sub-culture that ought to disappear.

These people exist. And they sadly tend to polarize the debate to a point where all the middle and moderate positions are eclipsed. And all the moderate people tend to move on either side because of how they are perceived by the other...

Most people in the ROC have grown and learned to see Quebec nationalism as a menace to Canada. This has caused a subtle but widely spread disdain for any attempt by Quebec to get more autonomy. ROCers will accuse Quebec of being selfish and thinking they're more special than anybody else, which isn't true.

In Quebec, the Canadian disdain for Quebec nationalism is met with the opposite reaction. A disdain for the concept of Canadian unity. Federalism is seen as a prison in which Quebec's freedom is hindered, which also isn't true.

All this polarization has lead to resentment and bitterness on both sides. And today we are mostly left with cynicism and exhaustion. The seperatist movement is truly numb at this moment. It's stagnating and not moving forward. But on the other hand, a good majority of Quebecers don't feel any love for Canada at all. They've come to accept the fact that they are part of Canada but simply don't relate to it (ever been in Quebec on Canada day?)

So the push for decentralization has largely been drowned by the loud bickering between seperatists and federalists. There's been arguing for years and years and not a lot of people can see that the solution to this dilemma can only be found in the synthesis of the two opposites. We must find a way to balance the drive for autonomy with the drive for unity and I believe this can be done by giving more autonomy to the provinces. By doing this, we avoid having provinces fighting for their share in Ottawa. Instead we end up with provinces meeting together to cooperate and share.

The problem I see with Canada is that a lot of time and energy is wasted in sending money to Ottawa for it to then be sent back to the provinces. Can you see the error? The money should be staying in the provinces in the first place. Money sent to Ottawa should not come back to provinces. Money sent to Ottawa should be spent on issues that are strictly universal to all Canadians (such as defense).

Of course, the devil is in the details and while it's not so simple, we need to clearly establish once and for all what concerns provinces and what concerns Ottawa. For example, health is supposed to be a provincial issue. But perhaps all Canadians would agree that we want a quality and public health care for everyone. In that case, perhaps it would be wiser for the federal government to manage health. That would be a big load off the provinces which could more efficiently focus on education for example.

If we manage to clearly redefine the role of provinces vs. the role of Ottawa, we'll stop wasting so much energy, time and money in doing things at both the provincial and federal level. Canada will then be more efficient and united because as every province builds and sustains its own autonomy, Ottawa will be a place where Canadian resources are really put together for the benefit of all.

Absolutely an excellent thread and feel for the province and its relationship with Ottawa and the rest of the country.
I salute you.
s_lone, Well done.
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Adriatik

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This is a complex question with complex answers... I don't think I can answer it but here are some thoughts.

The Quebec/Canada issue was extremely polarized in the last 25 years. You either want to seperate or remain in Canada. Or at least, that is how most of the debates go. There isn't much space in the debate for a middle-position in which one advocates a fundamental change in the structure of Canada in order to give Quebec and all other provinces more autonomy.

In Quebec in particular, the debate has been poisoned by the extreme hardcore seperatists who have got into their minds that Quebec should be on its own no matter what. These hard-core seperatists are like rocks. There's nothing you can ever to say to convince them that there is some good in Canada. They perceive Canada as the enemy, the invader, the evil oppressor. These people are stuck in an archaic view in which they see Quebec as their tribe and Canada as the tribal enemy. They still live in the time of the Conquest. They're born 250 years too late.

On the other hand, you've got the extreme hardcore federalists who want to stay in Canada no matter what. They blast Quebec and use fear tactics to scare it away from any attempt to claim more autonomy. They diminish Quebec by claiming it could never survive on its own (which simply isn't true). They demonize Quebec nationalism by accusing it of being racist and intolerant when in reality, they are blindly reacting to the extreme seperatists. They accuse Quebec of tyrannically imposing French on everyone like a dictatorship. That type of federalist usually sees Quebec culture as some lowly sub-culture that ought to disappear.

These people exist. And they sadly tend to polarize the debate to a point where all the middle and moderate positions are eclipsed. And all the moderate people tend to move on either side because of how they are perceived by the other...

Most people in the ROC have grown and learned to see Quebec nationalism as a menace to Canada. This has caused a subtle but widely spread disdain for any attempt by Quebec to get more autonomy. ROCers will accuse Quebec of being selfish and thinking they're more special than anybody else, which isn't true.

In Quebec, the Canadian disdain for Quebec nationalism is met with the opposite reaction. A disdain for the concept of Canadian unity. Federalism is seen as a prison in which Quebec's freedom is hindered, which also isn't true.

All this polarization has lead to resentment and bitterness on both sides. And today we are mostly left with cynicism and exhaustion. The seperatist movement is truly numb at this moment. It's stagnating and not moving forward. But on the other hand, a good majority of Quebecers don't feel any love for Canada at all. They've come to accept the fact that they are part of Canada but simply don't relate to it (ever been in Quebec on Canada day?)

So the push for decentralization has largely been drowned by the loud bickering between seperatists and federalists. There's been arguing for years and years and not a lot of people can see that the solution to this dilemma can only be found in the synthesis of the two opposites. We must find a way to balance the drive for autonomy with the drive for unity and I believe this can be done by giving more autonomy to the provinces. By doing this, we avoid having provinces fighting for their share in Ottawa. Instead we end up with provinces meeting together to cooperate and share.

The problem I see with Canada is that a lot of time and energy is wasted in sending money to Ottawa for it to then be sent back to the provinces. Can you see the error? The money should be staying in the provinces in the first place. Money sent to Ottawa should not come back to provinces. Money sent to Ottawa should be spent on issues that are strictly universal to all Canadians (such as defense).

Of course, the devil is in the details and while it's not so simple, we need to clearly establish once and for all what concerns provinces and what concerns Ottawa. For example, health is supposed to be a provincial issue. But perhaps all Canadians would agree that we want a quality and public health care for everyone. In that case, perhaps it would be wiser for the federal government to manage health. That would be a big load off the provinces which could more efficiently focus on education for example.

If we manage to clearly redefine the role of provinces vs. the role of Ottawa, we'll stop wasting so much energy, time and money in doing things at both the provincial and federal level. Canada will then be more efficient and united because as every province builds and sustains its own autonomy, Ottawa will be a place where Canadian resources are really put together for the benefit of all.


It is true that in the past this whole debate has been torn by extremists on both sides but the reality is that these extremists are a small majority of people. What made them get exposure is the mere fact that extremists are usually the loudest whether they are Sovereignists or Federalists. The fact that they were so loud took away from the possibility of moderate solutions being heard.

However, another reality is that these extremists are getting older and older and have less influence with time.

My ideas advocate for more autonomy for provinces.. Why not give it a try?
 

s_lone

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It is true that in the past this whole debate has been torn by extremists on both sides but the reality is that these extremists are a small majority of people. What made them get exposure is the mere fact that extremists are usually the loudest whether they are Sovereignists or Federalists. The fact that they were so loud took away from the possibility of moderate solutions being heard.

However, another reality is that these extremists are getting older and older and have less influence with time.

My ideas advocate for more autonomy for provinces.. Why not give it a try?

It is true that the extremists are getting older and have lost their credibility. We must however now fight against cynicism and apathy.
 

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If we as Canadians pay to have a head of state, it might as well be someone we elect who is born here and actually has an impact.

Adriatik, I really don’t feel strongly one way or the other, and I suspect most Canadians feel the same way. Change is always scary, and unless there is very good reason for a change, people will be against it.

The only way I can see a movement against monarchy in Canada would be if the monarch tried to interfere, meddle in the internal affairs of Canada. Short of that, the monarchy stays. The sexual peccadilloes of the royal family members are not a big deal these days (they would have been 50 years ago). Prince Charles divorcing Diane, marrying an older woman etc. people don’t care about these things any more.



So yes, there probably will be a Canadian Republic one day, but that day is far into future.
 

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The problem with our current system is that its origins represent anti-democracy and autocracy.

Also, the head of state should be a person who is born here, and it should be someone who actually has a function in the government. The Queen and the GG have zero impact on legislation passed in the house of commons. Having the GG represent the Queen cost taxpayers money for nothing. The GG has a salary and has a government spending account paid by the Canadian people. Do you realize how many millions we spend annually for the GG's salary, travelling and meetings?

If we as Canadians pay to have a head of state, it might as well be someone we elect who is born here and actually has an impact.

I cannot believe the vicious, treasonous, language being spoken about her majesty in this thread!!! :angryfire::angryfire::angryfire:

Canadian born monarch? Elected? 8O:-? First of all, Canadians don't have the fortitude to uproot the establishment and step into a brave new world. Second, say we did decide to start a new monarch. Just imagine the shady, backdoor shenanigans that people of questionable character would be doing.

Judging by the way politicians act under our current system, try to conceptualize holding an election for King of Canada.

Don't worry Liz, I'll stick up for ya.:angry5:
 

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I cannot believe the vicious, treasonous, language being spoken about her majesty in this thread!!! :angryfire::angryfire::angryfire:

Canadian born monarch? Elected? 8O:-? First of all, Canadians don't have the fortitude to uproot the establishment and step into a brave new world. Second, say we did decide to start a new monarch. Just imagine the shady, backdoor shenanigans that people of questionable character would be doing.

Judging by the way politicians act under our current system, try to conceptualize holding an election for King of Canada.

Don't worry Liz, I'll stick up for ya.:angry5:

I am not a traitor to the Queen. I've never had ANY form of allegiance to her. No treason there.

If she wants my allegiance she can kiss my little smily ass...:bootyshake:
 

In Between Man

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I am not a traitor to the Queen. I've never had ANY form of allegiance to her. No treason there.

If she wants my allegiance she can kiss my little smily ass...:bootyshake:

Well if you never swore allegiance, that must really tick you off that she's our head of state. Why be loyal to Canada at all?
 

s_lone

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Well if you never swore allegiance, that must really tick you off that she's our head of state. Why be loyal to Canada at all?

I do find it annoying, but above all, I simply don't understand why we're still stuck with it.

Canada and the Monarch are 2 totally different things. One can be loyal to Canada while being against Monarchy.
 

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I am not a traitor to the Queen. I've never had ANY form of allegiance to her. No treason there.

If she wants my allegiance she can kiss my little smily ass...:bootyshake:

Well I have pledged allegiance to Elizabeth II...but that doesn't mean that I care one way or the other if she was head of state or not...because I don't.

As to the question in the OP, we already have the Conservative Party of Canada sending their people down to Virginia to be trained by College Republican National Committe on how to run an effective Republican-style campaign

College Republican National Committee
 

In Between Man

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Canada and the Monarch are 2 totally different things. One can be loyal to Canada while being against Monarchy.

Agreed. But the relationship b/w the monarch and Canada is not going to go away. Canadians would be too lost if to lose the identity with the queen.

And that's the thing in respects to this thread. Look at the American republic, there's an underlying ideal there that works for them under a republic. What is it? It's the concept of true, god given freedom. "We're the champions of it. We spread it to the oppressed. We're the good guys, they're the bad guys."

Our culture falls back on it's own underlying ideal. Common English law and loyalty to the Monarch or the old world champions. Now, we've kinda taken over this idea of true freedom, and to a lesser extent, freedom is god-given, but we are by no means champions of freedom. I think we may stand up for it diplomatically, however, two questions come into play 1) Are we taken serioulsly? and 2) Are we doing enough to triumph freedom and human rights?

So if we take away the monarch, what do we have left as our identity?

-a "new" monarch that we elect (oooooh, exciting!)
-hockey
-tim hortons
- beer drinkers
...
Now, I know Quebec never signed the constitution, which pledged allegiance to the queen, and for that reason Quebec should be a nation if it chooses. I say just get it over with, either your in or your out.....

Anywayz, I'm getting sidetracked again.......I'm going to go and get a drink. I eagerly await your reply....

God Save the Queen!:queen:
 
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Agreed. But the relationship b/w the monarch and Canada is not going to go away. Canadians would be too lost if to lose the identity with the queen.

Too lost? I would see it as Canada finally growing up and truly becoming it own country.

And that's the thing in respects to this thread. Look at the American republic, there's an underlying ideal there that works for them under a republic. What is it? It's the concept of true, god given freedom. "We're the champions of it. We spread it to the oppressed. We're the good guys, they're the bad guys."

The USA are one country among many others. They are not the only example of countries without monarchy. And while the last years haven't been so glorious for the US they still brought a lot of good things to the world (and bad things too). Their rupture with Monarchy was bloody but also a powerful gesture of autonomy and I admire it.. Their country was a true novelty, while Canada was just an extension of the British Empire that gradually became more independent. This isn't a bad thing in itself, but I think the next logical step for Canada would be to close ties once and for all with the remnants of British imperialism. It's a part of history but doesn't define the modern Canada at all. At least not the Canada I believe in.

Our culture falls back on it's own underlying ideal. Common English law and loyalty to the Monarch or the old world champions. Now, we've kinda taken over this idea of true freedom, and to a lesser extent, freedom is god-given, but we are by no means champions of freedom. I think we may stand up for it diplomatically, however, two questions come into play 1) Are we taken serioulsly? and 2) Are we doing enough to triumph freedom and human rights?

Personally, I see a great contradiction with the notion of freedom and human rights and what hereditary monarchy represents.

So if we take away the monarch, what do we have left as our identity?

-a "new" monarch that we elect (oooooh, exciting!)
-hockey
-tim hortons
- beer drinkers
...

I find it sad that all you can think of to define Canadian identity is monarchy, hockey, tim hortons and beer...

We have universal health care. Which is a very big difference with the US. We don't mix religion and politics.

Of course, we are North American and in that regard, we are not much different from the US, not even Quebec (language is a big deal but in the end we are just francophone North Americans).


Now, I know Quebec never signed the constitution, which pledged allegiance to the queen, and for that reason Quebec should be a nation if it chooses. I say just get it over with, either your in or your out.....

Anywayz, I'm getting sidetracked again.......I'm going to go and get a drink. I eagerly await your reply....

God Save the Queen!:queen:

God save the Queen! Why not? Sure... She's a charming old lady.:)
 

In Between Man

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Well I have pledged allegiance to Elizabeth II..

In the military right? Now that's true allegiance! Since you can't receive PM's, please tell me about what you learned from it?

What were the positives?

What were the negatives?

.but that doesn't mean that I care one way or the other if she was head of state or not...because I don't.

That's probably most people's thoughts on her...

As to the question in the OP, we already have the Conservative Party of Canada sending their people down to Virginia to be trained by College Republican National Committe on how to run an effective Republican-style campaign

Can you please show me your source? Where does it say that the dudes sent the dudes to meet the dudes?


 

In Between Man

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Too lost? I would see it as Canada finally growing up and truly becoming it own country.

True, but I'm saying that Canadians don't have resolution in them to cast off the shackles of the old world monarch. We just don't have the vision in front of us. First of all, there has to be some type of crisis. Either an identity crisis or a political crisis. Then some Obama-like fellow has to come along and triumph the change word. And not just any change, but a whole new system essentially. Most definitely a new constitution. What a fun debate that will be!!!

Personally, I see a great contradiction with the notion of freedom and human rights and what hereditary monarchy represents.

Right, that's what I meant, we kinda adopted the idea of true freedom from Sam. It had nothing to do with the monarchy.

I find it sad that all you can think of to define Canadian identity is monarchy, hockey, tim hortons and beer...

Hmmmmm.....you know what? Me too.

We don't mix religion and politics.

I don't think it is possible/good to eliminate religion from politics all together.

God save the Queen! Why not? Sure... She's a charming old lady.:)

I got this friend who wants to watch her poop, just so he knows that she's really human like the rest of us.
 

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In the military right? Now that's true allegiance! Since you can't receive PM's, please tell me about what you learned from it?

I can receive PMs now...

Can you please show me your source? Where does it say that the dudes sent the dudes to meet the dudes?

I've looked an not found any corroboration to my claim.

I learned that tidbit of info from a guy I used to work with that went on to become a staff member for a Conservative MP, and it was in response to my making the statement that Conservatives are not much different ideologically than the Republicans...and he said Well, there may be some truth to that..."
 

In Between Man

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I can receive PMs now...

:thumbright:

I've looked an not found any corroboration to my claim.

I learned that tidbit of info from a guy I used to work with that went on to become a staff member for a Conservative MP, and it was in response to my making the statement that Conservatives are not much different ideologically than the Republicans...and he said Well, there may be some truth to that..."

I'm sure it happened....I just don't think they're intentions would be sinister(hopefully not). They probably wanted to learn techniques for campaigning. Yanks are good at this, all the social meddling and back door deals....
 

SirJosephPorter

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As to the question in the OP, we already have the Conservative Party of Canada sending their people down to Virginia to be trained by College Republican National Committe on how to run an effective Republican-style campaign

Vanni Fucci, considering the shellacking Republicans took in the 2006 and 2008 elections, I am not sure it would be a good idea to learn from Republicans how to run an election campaign.

Their last hope was Senator Ted Stevens (the one who has been convicted of corruption and influence peddling) in Alaska. He was ahead by several thousand votes, but now all the votes have been counted and he is behind by three votes. That thing will go on for several weeks yet.

Democrats already have 57 seats in the senate; they may easily end up with 58 or 59 seats (with an outside chance of 60 seats). So I am not sure it is a wise move to learn form Republicans how to run a campaign.