Flawed AVG antivirus update cripples Windows XP PCs

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Just a bit of info:


I've used AVG for over ten years without a problem. Still haven't had a problem.....;-)

So what was Ron doing in one of those sites? (Ron, I am sure), I mean respectfully to Ron, is that wise?
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Zzarchov

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I beg to differ, I have a Linux based Ubuntu system and it has been running constantly (over 1400 applications) for almost two years now and has never been affected by anything.

May viruses continue to flourish with MicroCrap.

And my windows servers are equally as secure :) That said I also use Linux, but im not blind. There are threats to Linux, and they will become more prevalent as more people use Linux (especially businesses for Hosting). There is no such thing as a virus free system.
 

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And my windows servers are equally as secure :) That said I also use Linux, but im not blind. There are threats to Linux, and they will become more prevalent as more people use Linux (especially businesses for Hosting). There is no such thing as a virus free system.

Well Zz I hope that you are wrong.
 

SirJosephPorter

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There is no such thing as a virus free system.

I quite agree, zzarchov, those who claim that Linux is virus proof are living in fool’s paradise. No system is virus proof, as somebody pointed out; Linux use is so rare that it is not worthwhile to write a virus to attack the system.

On another note, I found Explorer difficult to use, easily susceptible to attack. Netscape (which is no longer supported, but can still be used) or Firefox are much better browsers.

Scratch mentioned the importance of backing up the data. It really cannot be overemphasized; backup of anything important is absolutely essential. Any important data, information etc. must be backed up as soon as any changes are made. These days back up is also easy, the entire directory can be backed up on a CD or a DVD. Before the days of CDs, backup was a messy and cumbersome process, requiring several floppy disks (or a tape backup).

But these days, there is no excuse for not backing up.
 

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There is no such thing as a virus free system.

I quite agree, zzarchov, those who claim that Linux is virus proof are living in fool’s paradise. No system is virus proof, as somebody pointed out; Linux use is so rare that it is not worthwhile to write a virus to attack the system.

On another note, I found Explorer difficult to use, easily susceptible to attack. Netscape (which is no longer supported, but can still be used) or Firefox are much better browsers.

Scratch mentioned the importance of backing up the data. It really cannot be overemphasized; backup of anything important is absolutely essential. Any important data, information etc. must be backed up as soon as any changes are made. These days back up is also easy, the entire directory can be backed up on a CD or a DVD. Before the days of CDs, backup was a messy and cumbersome process, requiring several floppy disks (or a tape backup).

But these days, there is no excuse for not backing up.

Sir,
I hope you are wrong and the amount of use my system has had would have made it a perfect target for a cracker. Still hasn't happened.
One more question as was mentioned as Linux becomes more popular , what makes you think that Linux people will not compensate, even if you believe no system is `virus-proof`?

I have been told in no uncertain terms by my Ubuntu guy that the only way my system could be compromised was if someone had actual access to the host system.

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SirJosephPorter

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One more question as was mentioned as Linux becomes more popular , what makes you think that Linux people will not compensate, even if you believe no system is `virus-proof`?

Scratch, if by compensate you mean fight back, sure they will, just as Windows people are fighting back. But the point is, use of Linux is infrequent and users are separated from each other, so spread of Linux virus would be extremely difficult. A Linux virus will cause minimal damage, if any. So why would anybody write a Linux virus?

I am not familiar with Linux. I am familiar with UNIX (though I don’t use it these days) and I understand Linux is a variant of UNIX. I can well imagine how a virus could be written to attack UNIX. So if an enterprising nerd wants to write a virus to attack Linux, I assume he can, though there will be very little payoff.
 

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May viruses continue to flourish with MicroCrap.

That's great news but does not constitute immunity. I've been running win 95/98/2000pro and now XP for over a decade and never had a virus. That doesn't mean windows is immune, it just means we're smart users, like Z said :smile:
 

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One more question as was mentioned as Linux becomes more popular , what makes you think that Linux people will not compensate, even if you believe no system is `virus-proof`?

Scratch, if by compensate you mean fight back, sure they will, just as Windows people are fighting back. But the point is, use of Linux is infrequent and users are separated from each other, so spread of Linux virus would be extremely difficult. A Linux virus will cause minimal damage, if any. So why would anybody write a Linux virus?

I am not familiar with Linux. I am familiar with UNIX (though I don’t use it these days) and I understand Linux is a variant of UNIX. I can well imagine how a virus could be written to attack UNIX. So if an enterprising nerd wants to write a virus to attack Linux, I assume he can, though there will be very little payoff.

Well Michael Shuttleworth had a good idea and it's growing to MicroSoft's dismay.
Based on Unix, I believe so. They were ahead of their time.

Some ubergeek for the kick might try it but as you said to what end and HE would be tracked down.
 

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Sir,
I hope you are wrong and the amount of use my system has had would have made it a perfect target for a cracker. Still hasn't happened.
One more question as was mentioned as Linux becomes more popular , what makes you think that Linux people will not compensate, even if you believe no system is `virus-proof`?

I have been told in no uncertain terms by my Ubuntu guy that the only way my system could be compromised was if someone had actual access to the host system.

regards,
scratch

What's your IP. Give us your written permission and your IP address and we'll do a security audit for you. :lol:
 

scratch

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"This year" being 2001. ;-)
Hey Just the Facts,

What damage did it do? Where did it come from?
That was seven years ago.

Anyways I've been on my Ubuntu guy's blog and he gave me his opinion of Canonical/Linux/Ubuntu and any danger that they might be in today.
He is a very highly respected member of the Ubuntu Community and an advisor in their online Forum.
The combination of Firefox and SpamAssassin were created for business oriented machines. The combo is extremely sensitive to anything that may include MicroSoft viruses, spyware, pop-ups and spam.

According to him this combo will investigate any thing down to the contents of a pixel and if anything untoward is found a warning will be given and`you advance therein at your own risk`.

According to him Shuttleworth decided in 2003 to expand his search for the best people in the business to offset MicroSoft's dominance of the market.

More effort is being put into the desktop & laptop part of the enterprise, especially in the area of security. The intense sensitivity of their BOMs (now being supplied) will be toned down slightly for current private users in January 2009.

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MHz

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What's your IP. Give us your written permission and your IP address and we'll do a security audit for you. :lol:
Here's my result
-[ Lynis 1.2.1 Results ]-

Tests performed: 65
Warnings:
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- [21:36:40] Warning: No password set on GRUB bootloader [test:BOOT-5121] [impact:M]
- [21:37:43] Warning: Couldn't find 2 responsive nameservers [test:NETW-2705] [impact:L]
- [21:37:49] Warning: Found mail_name in SMTP banner, and/or mail_name contains 'Postfix' [test:MAIL-8818] [impact:L]
- [21:37:54] Warning: Found possible unused iptables rules (4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 3 4 5 6 1 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 1 1 1 2 3 4 1 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5) [test:FIRE-4513] [impact:L]
- [21:38:55] Warning: No NTP daemon or client found [test:TIME-3104] [impact:M]
 

scratch

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Here's my result
-[ Lynis 1.2.1 Results ]-

Tests performed: 65
Warnings:
----------------------------
- [21:36:40] Warning: No password set on GRUB bootloader [test:BOOT-5121] [impact:M]
- [21:37:43] Warning: Couldn't find 2 responsive nameservers [test:NETW-2705] [impact:L]
- [21:37:49] Warning: Found mail_name in SMTP banner, and/or mail_name contains 'Postfix' [test:MAIL-8818] [impact:L]
- [21:37:54] Warning: Found possible unused iptables rules (4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 3 4 5 6 1 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 1 1 1 2 3 4 1 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5) [test:FIRE-4513] [impact:L]
- [21:38:55] Warning: No NTP daemon or client found [test:TIME-3104] [impact:M]

This means what?
IP number : No permission
What are you looking for without consent?
 

shadowshiv

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I beg to differ, I have a Linux based Ubuntu system and it has been running constantly (over 1400 applications) for almost two years now and has never been affected by anything.

May viruses continue to flourish with MicroCrap.

Nothing is completely immune to viruses. If a guy can hack into the Pentagon, then they can sucessfully create a virus for Linux/Firefox. It may not have happened to you yet, but it could happen. Just don't become overconfident.
 

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Nothing is completely immune to viruses. If a guy can hack into the Pentagon, then they can sucessfully create a virus for Linux/Firefox. It may not have happened to you yet, but it could happen. Just don't become overconfident.

Why is MHz trying to get into my system without my authorization?
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If it did happen, there would be nothing to find.
 

shadowshiv

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I have no idea if he even is. Perhaps that was an audit on his own computer. If he is trying to access yours, then he should cease immediately as that is not permitted.
 

Ron in Regina

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So what was Ron doing in one of those sites? (Ron, I am sure), I mean respectfully to Ron, is that wise?
regards,
scratch

The site I was on was for the S'toon Star Phoenix, and I clicked onto an ad on the side of the
page for Credit Card application, and as that page was loading, this Antivirus 2009 thing
popped up over the Credit Card site. I wasn't sure if it was something from Microsoft that
was already part of my operating system or not, so I bailed out (clicked "NO") but it was too
late at that point. In my reading, I found that this malware is mainly found on adult sites, &
that may have been true at one point, but it's more than that now...

It's kind'a funny now, but as I was reading about that, I was thinking to myself, "If I can't
figure this one out myself, some IT guy will not believe me." I'm no angel, but this time I'm
innocent of this implication. I've already been contacted for the solution I found, and I'm
assuming that she might have found this maleware in a similiar manner. A pop-up on a
Credit Card application site in a time of economic instability is pretty devious, and might
even find more suckers (like myself) than an adult site. Just a heads up for the self-rightious.
(Not yourself Scratch, but for those that might snicker)
 

scratch

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The site I was on was for the S'toon Star Phoenix, and I clicked onto an ad on the side of the
page for Credit Card application, and as that page was loading, this Antivirus 2009 thing
popped up over the Credit Card site. I wasn't sure if it was something from Microsoft that
was already part of my operating system or not, so I bailed out (clicked "NO") but it was too
late at that point. In my reading, I found that this malware is mainly found on adult sites, &
that may have been true at one point, but it's more than that now...

It's kind'a funny now, but as I was reading about that, I was thinking to myself, "If I can't
figure this one out myself, some IT guy will not believe me." I'm no angel, but this time I'm
innocent of this implication. I've already been contacted for the solution I found, and I'm
assuming that she might have found this maleware in a similiar manner. A pop-up on a
Credit Card application site in a time of economic instability is pretty devious, and might
even find more suckers (like myself) than an adult site. Just a heads up for the self-rightious.
(Not yourself Scratch, but for those that might snicker)
Ron,

I understand and I do not find it funny at all.

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