Life after death

Vanni Fucci

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In other words, Allah's faithful are not to listen to those that try to talk some sense into them...

The believers are not allowed the luxury of critical thinking to determine whether that which they believe in has merit...

Typical faith trap...it forms a perfect circle and protective barrier to the constant onslaught of reality and reason...

...and to break free from the trap, one must willfully exercise a departure from their own faith...

Truly a piteous state to be in...
 
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eanassir

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Yes, I've heard all that before, but your scriptures and Christian scriptures clearly state that *ALL* prayers will be answered. "Ask and it shall be given" says Matthew. Presumably you meet the conditions you said are necessary in order for prayers to be answered, you claimed you've had prayers answered, so pray for the remission of all childhood cancers, ask him to do it for its own sake and to help you prove to all the idolaters and mockers in here that you're right.

Then you can ask him to explain why nothing happened, why it was not given when you asked. I've no doubt the only explanation you'll be able to come up with will be the same retreat into incoherent mysticism ahmadabdalrhman offered: the answer was no and we can't understand that but it must be a good thing. And if that's really the answer, then we shouldn't be doing anything to relieve the suffering of the innocents either, it was ordained by god for some higher purpose that's beyond our comprehension and we shouldn't be so presumptuous as to interfere with it, let them suffer and die as god willed.


Call on God and pray Him whatever you want.
God – be exalted – said in the Quran 7: 56

وَادْعُوهُ خَوْفًا وَطَمَعًا إِنَّ رَحْمَتَ اللّهِ قَرِيبٌ مِّنَ الْمُحْسِنِينَ

The explanation:
(And call on Him
while in fear [of an enemy or a danger]
and while hoping [to have any good thing];
for the mercy of God is near to [touch] those who do charity.)

All people may pray God for a certain affair; on the other hand, one individual may pray forgiveness, grace and blessings for all believers.

God answers the praying of one who prays and supplicates Him, unless such a man is a disbeliever, atheist or associater.

This is in the Quran 13: 14

لَهُ دَعْوَةُ الْحَقِّ وَالَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِهِ لاَ يَسْتَجِيبُونَ لَهُم بِشَيْءٍ إِلاَّ كَبَاسِطِ كَفَّيْهِ إِلَى الْمَاء لِيَبْلُغَ فَاهُ وَمَا هُوَ بِبَالِغِهِ وَمَا دُعَاء الْكَافِرِينَ إِلاَّ فِي ضَلاَلٍ

The explanation:
(His [preaching] is the preaching of truth;
but those who call to other than Him, they answer them not at all save as one [soul] who stretches out his hands to the water that it may reach his [spiritual] mouth, but it reaches it not; for the praying of unbelievers is only in missing [of the truth, and their prayer will not be answered.] )

So (His [preaching] is the preaching of truth): means:
Whoever invites people to serve God alone, then his invitation is a message of truth: he is truthful, and he is more worthy to be followed; and even when he prays God, God will answer his prayer.

Certainly I may pray God to cure all the children with cancer, and He may answer my prayer; but this will be a tremendous thing: it will be a miracle like the miracles given to Jesus Christ to prove his apostle-hood: like curing the leper, the congenitally blind and the paralyzed.
Such a miracle is given to prophets; but I am not a prophet.

Not all my prayers are granted to me, but God Most Gracious answered many of my requests, and praise and gratitude is due to Him.

Of course I ask God's mercy and grace to all the innocent children; all of us pray for God's forgiveness and blessings to all believers: the ancient and the contemporary; as in the Quran 59: 10

رَبَّنَا اغْفِرْ لَنَا وَلِإِخْوَانِنَا الَّذِينَ سَبَقُونَا بِالْإِيمَانِ وَلَا تَجْعَلْ فِي قُلُوبِنَا غِلًّا لِّلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا رَبَّنَا إِنَّكَ رَؤُوفٌ رَّحِيمٌ

The explanation:
(Our Lord, forgive us and our brethren who were before us in the faith, and place not in our hearts any rancor toward the believers. Our Lord, surely You are Most Kind [and] Most Merciful.)
 
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Scott Free

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If you're not allowed to examine god, to question Muhammad, to think critically, then how do you know it isn't the devil you're praying to?

Seriously, how do you know?

The devil would answer your prayers and he wouldn't want you questioning him either.

The Christians think their prayers get answered and you think yours do (no evidence for either in reality) so surely the devil is answering one of you; that is unless god doesn't know what religion he is.
 

eanassir

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Truly, there are many points in the reply of Dexter that are worthy of discussion.
  • "Ask and it shall be given" says Matthew.
This aya of the Gospel is similar in meaning and implication to the aya in the Quran 40: 60
وَقَالَ رَبُّكُمُ ادْعُونِي أَسْتَجِبْ لَكُمْ
The explanation:
(And your Lord has said: "Pray to Me and I will hear your prayer.")
  • But the answering of the prayer of believers will almost be granted, while the prayer of the disbeliever will almost be neglected. This has some exception according to God's will. He may respond to the request of the atheist according to His generosity not according to their deserving such kindness.
  • Refer to my post here at the Canadian Content Forum:
The challenge in prayers.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/spirituality-philosophy/75195-challenge-prayers.html
And see how the prayer of the false prophets of the idol Baal was useless and refused, while the prayer of Prophet Elia or Elijah was answered, and a fire came down from heaven that burnt the sacrifice and even the altar.
 

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How come there is no evidence that god answers prayers then, if what you claim is true?

Why then if I get sick and you get sick with the same disease we are both equally as likely to get better or worse? The odds of recovery do not get any better with prayer. How can that be except you are being lied to?
 

eanassir

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God is Most Gracious: in this World, He shows mercy to both the believer and disbeliever.
As He said in the Quran
17: 20
كُلاًّ نُّمِدُّ هَؤُلاء وَهَؤُلاء مِنْ عَطَاء رَبِّكَ وَمَا كَانَ عَطَاء رَبِّكَ مَحْظُورًا
The explanation:
(To each of these [believers] and those [disbelievers] We give freely of the bounty of your Lord [O Mohammed]; and your Lord's bounty can never be strictly confined.)
 

Scott Free

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God is Most Gracious: in this World, He shows mercy to both the believer and disbeliever.
As He said in the Quran
17: 20
كُلاًّ نُّمِدُّ هَؤُلاء وَهَؤُلاء مِنْ عَطَاء رَبِّكَ وَمَا كَانَ عَطَاء رَبِّكَ مَحْظُورًا
The explanation:
(To each of these [believers] and those [disbelievers] We give freely of the bounty of your Lord [O Mohammed]; and your Lord's bounty can never be strictly confined.)

The devil has a smooth tongue for sure.

But what proof, what evidence do you have that Muhammad wasn't talking to a devil disguised as an angel? It seems odd that you would be commanded not to examine him too closely. Isn't that exactly what the devil would command?

So on the one hand he says he will be kind to the unbeliever and on the other he says he won't be!?!?!?! Isn't that what you would expect if he didn't answer prayers as evidence clearly demonstrates! Or is this deception on your god/devils part?
 

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How come there is no evidence that god answers prayers then, if what you claim is true?

Why then if I get sick and you get sick with the same disease we are both equally as likely to get better or worse? The odds of recovery do not get any better with prayer. How can that be except you are being lied to?

That which is spiritual is spiritual.
That which is flesh is flesh.

What has one to do with the other?

If the flesh is alive, but spiritually dead, then what use is prayer?
But if the flesh is alive and spiritually alive, then prayer is the vehicle of communication between the two and health, comforts, joy and peace are a product of that relationship.

The hope is not necessarily for physical healing, but is accepted, but for the strength of the inner man to endure the hardships, the sufferings and the trials of this life.

What are the chances of our being acquitted in a court of law if we depend on a lawyer to defend us verses ourselves?

Seems to me, that having an advocate in my behalf between heaven and this earth,(hell) stands a better chance of getting an acquittal then if I represented my self.

If I am sick, I pray and let God supply whatever needs I need to the comfort, peace and strength of my soul.

Otherwise, you are on your own.

Peace>>>AJ
 

Scott Free

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If I am sick, I pray and let God supply whatever needs I need to the comfort, peace and strength of my soul.

Otherwise, you are on your own.

Peace>>>AJ

All evidence shows that you're clearly on your own anyway - prayer does not change the odds of your recovering or not. Prayer plays absolutely no role. That is clearly demonstrated.

In fact, you're better off playing video games. According to one study video games do improve your odds of recovery.

Your gods name isn't Mario is it? It should be; he is the better god.

Perhaps you got the letters switched around and meant dog not god? Another study has demonstrated clearly that pets help people recover. Maybe you should worship dog?
 

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Good sig Scott- How true, how true. I've been praying and playing the same numbers to win the 649, it is all for nought i'm afraid- But i've heard of programs where kids with cancer were asked to imagine destrying the disease in their mind, I seem to remember that there were some successes, but I don't know if these kids would have recovered on their own or not. So praying may have a psych effect like Placebos.
 

eanassir

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The devil has a smooth tongue for sure.

But what proof, what evidence do you have that Muhammad wasn't talking to a devil disguised as an angel? It seems odd that you would be commanded not to examine him too closely. Isn't that exactly what the devil would command?

So on the one hand he says he will be kind to the unbeliever and on the other he says he won't be!?!?!?! Isn't that what you would expect if he didn't answer prayers as evidence clearly demonstrates! Or is this deception on your god/devils part?


When Jesus - peace be on him - wrought the miracles given to him by God Almighty (like the miracles of many other prophets); what did they say to him? They said to him: "You only have wrought these miracles (specially the expelling of demons from some possessed persons); you have done this by the aid of Beelzebub the chief of devils or demons!"

What did he answer them: "It can't be that the Devil will fight his own kingdom; because he wants to fortify it not to weaken it by expelling demons out of the possessed."

This is in the Quran
26: 210-213
وَمَا تَنَزَّلَتْ بِهِ الشَّيَاطِينُ . وَمَا يَنبَغِي لَهُمْ وَمَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ . إِنَّهُمْ عَنِ السَّمْعِ لَمَعْزُولُونَ .فَلَا تَدْعُ مَعَ اللَّهِ إِلَهًا آخَرَ فَتَكُونَ مِنَ الْمُعَذَّبِينَ
The explanation:
(The devils have not brought it down.

It is not meet for them, nor is it in their power.

Truly, they are banished from the hearing.

Therefore invoke not, [together] with God, another god, lest you [Mohammed] be one of the doomed.)
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The reason for this is that Satan and devils want to establish the idolatry not the monotheism; so how comes it that they bring a Quran against the idolatry, and invite people to worship God alone, when their plan is against God?
 

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Sahih International: Say, "Not equal are the evil and the good, although the abundance of evil might impress you." So fear Allah , O you of understanding, that you may be successful.

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Sahih International: Not equal are the companions of the Fire and the companions of Paradise. The companions of Paradise - they are the attainers [of success].

Again, nothing from your own mind, just repetition of words from the book.
 

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Again, nothing from your own mind, just repetition of words from the book.
Lady of the Island,
Just this morning I tried to have this person translate these same passages to me in his own words and he did not reply.
scratch
 

talloola

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Lady of the Island,
Just this morning I tried to have this person translate these same passages to me in his own words and he did not reply.
scratch

He doesn't know how. He has never learned about 'himself' as an individual, just a
servant of his god, and very obedient.
 

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Two yutes your honor....(My Cousin Vinny)

Like the late George Carlin, I pray to Joe Pesci. He gets things done at about the same rate as God or Allah...50/50. Or you could pray to your bowling ball...same results.
 

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Two yutes your honor....(My Cousin Vinny)

Like the late George Carlin, I pray to Joe Pesci. He gets things done at about the same rate as God or Allah...50/50. Or you could pray to your bowling ball...same results.
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