Should Canada endorse Communism?

[CDN87]

Do you think Canada would work well under Communism? Think about it, if we could have a communist government no one would be poor anymore because Canada's wealth would be equally shared and the government will have to be accountable. Corporate greed is destroying the economic systems of both the USA and Canada.

Whether it be under the Liberals or Conservatives we are still a capitalist society ruled by corporations that take advantage of everyday Canadians and put families at risk.

Is it time for Canada to endorse Communism?

 

[L Gilbert]

No and no.

 

[CDN87]

No and no.

Well, look at how well Communism is working in China. They are not affected by the credit crisis, and many of their citizens are becoming more and more wealthy due to the government sharing the wealth.

 

[L Gilbert]

roflmao
It isn't that communism is working there, it is that capitalism is sneaking into the country. The rich are still very rich there, and don't want to let go of it. Capitalism has popped into their picture and that is what is creating the wealth for people.

 

[Unforgiven]

Communism is a joke. No one with more than ten cents considers Communism a serious alternative to what we have now. As always, it only looks good in theory but once it comes right down to it, Communism is a dinosaur that had it's shot and went extinct.

 

[Machjo]

First off, what's with the NDP avatar? The NDP is a democratic socialist party, not a communist party.

Secondly, the PRC is more capitalistic than Canada in some ways. Don't let the name fool you. In China, the gap between rich and poor simply doesn't campare with Canada. It's much worse in China.

Thirdly, while I'm all for eliminating the extremese of wealth and poverty, to eliminate wealth and poverty altogether would go too far. After all, it's precisely the rise or fall of profit that signals to a company to shift course or to stay on course. With absolute, total equality, that guage is gone. How are they supposed to know what product or service is needed in the economy then?

So yes, I agree with eliminating the extremes of wealth and poverty, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with moderate wealth and poverty.

 

[Chaos_Seer]

Communism is a joke. No one with more than ten cents considers Communism a serious alternative to what we have now. As always, it only looks good in theory but once it comes right down to it, Communism is a dinosaur that had it's shot and went extinct.

I have heard this argument many times, but I cannot see the fault in the system. As far as I understand it, communism failed in Russia due to the fact that A) a dictator took power and became corrupt and B) America directly opposed it and war destroyed communism. I will admit my large uneducated understanding of the situation, so forgive me if I'm wrong and please don't hesitate to tell me why.

What makes communism any more corruptible than capitalism? How can one say that capitalism is so much more efficient in both the short and long run? How can one deny the easy manipulation of capitalism by corporate entities?

 

[L Gilbert]

You just said it yourself, the fault in the system is human.

"Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite." - J K Galbraith

Explain to me where one man being lazy and doing half the work another does yet getting paid the same as the other is not exploiting the system. The system is fallible.

 

[Chaos_Seer]

You just said it yourself, the fault in the system is human.

"Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite." - J K Galbraith

Explain to me where one man being lazy and doing half the work another does yet getting paid the same as the other is not exploiting the system. The system is fallible.

Good point. Can't there be some kind of middle ground? An eclectic system, a form of hybrid capitalist/communist economy?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Good point. Can't there be some kind of middle ground? An eclectic system, a form of hybrid capitalist/communist economy?

There is, it's called social democracy...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Party.svg/200px-New_Democratic_Party.svg.png

 

[L Gilbert]

Good point. Can't there be some kind of middle ground? An eclectic system, a form of hybrid capitalist/communist economy?

There are lots. Unfotunately none of them are all encompassing, therefore all are fallible (besides the inherent fallibility derived from being developed by a fallible species).

 

[china]

Chaos_Seer

What makes communism any more corruptible than capitalism? How can one say that capitalism is so much more efficient in both the short and long run? How can one deny the easy manipulation of capitalism by corporate entities?

I have posted this few times--------

Capitalism is people taking advantage of other people ,
Communism is the other way around .

PS China is "communist" in the name only .I was born in communist Poland so trust me when I say ...China is not communist .

 

[Nuggler]

Well, look at how well Communism is working in China. They are not affected by the credit crisis, and many of their citizens are becoming more and more wealthy due to the government sharing the wealth.

Surely you jest!! China is a dogsh i t nation with a deplorable human rights track record. THEY are in the process of giving capitalism a go, since their commie stuff fell flat. Many thousands still live in abject poverty there. Don't swallow what you hear about the "glorious China" in this particular forum.

And, what's with the NDP logo as your avatar? They are a small S socialist party, but far from communist.

 

[Praxius]

I've already explained a few times in the past on how I see it should work, which is to abolish capitalism and the current forms of currency/monies. Is that Communism? No, since Communism still works with money.

The comment above about Communism being dead is about as accurate as Representational Democracy.... both are dead as I see it.

What am I refering to then? Not Socialism, not Communism, not Representational Democracy, not Capitalism, and not Fachism..... so what is it?

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/c...3-new-direct-democracy-government-revamp.html

And yet I voted for the NDP, so what does that tell you?

 

[Northboy]

Do you think Canada would work well under Communism? Think about it, if we could have a communist government no one would be poor anymore because Canada's wealth would be equally shared and the government will have to be accountable. Corporate greed is destroying the economic systems of both the USA and Canada.

Whether it be under the Liberals or Conservatives we are still a capitalist society ruled by corporations that take advantage of everyday Canadians and put families at risk.

Is it time for Canada to endorse Communism?

Why would we throw out the baby with the bathwater?

Structurally, we are a commonwealth which in itself is the middle ground between capitalism and communism. We just have to start acting like it. The correct system is already in place.

Now, when you try to overlay capitalistic principles over a commonwealth structure you get excess, and that's what we're experiencing today.

We just have to get back to what we are.

 

[Avro]

Do you think Canada would work well under Communism?

No.

Go to Cuba and see communism up close outside the pretty resorts.

 

[L Gilbert]

I've already explained a few times in the past on how I see it should work, which is to abolish capitalism and the current forms of currency/monies. Is that Communism? No, since Communism still works with money.

The comment above about Communism being dead is about as accurate as Representational Democracy.... both are dead as I see it.

What am I refering to then? Not Socialism, not Communism, not Representational Democracy, not Capitalism, and not Fachism..... so what is it?

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/c...3-new-direct-democracy-government-revamp.html

And yet I voted for the NDP, so what does that tell you?

That you want a huge, slow, expensive nanny government. lol

 

[L Gilbert]

Whatever system we have will not work totally because there is the human factor involved. We are fallible, so whatever system we concoct is fallible.
Personally, I prefer a system such as the democratic republic that Switzerland has; or something like Denmark's constitutional monarchy made from a COALITION of parties. People in those countries are actually happy with their governments, unlike our antiquated FPTP, 2-party joke of a system which obviously fails in many ways.

 

[Praxius]

That you want a huge, slow, expensive nanny government. lol

If you read anything about the NDD, you wouldn't have used the term expensive or Nanny Government, since there is no money in the plan to make it expensive and the government is directly run by the people of the nation, not the government.... the government in this plan is nothing more then a job.... the people tell them what needs to be done and they make it happen, not the other way around.

I voted for the NDP because they're the only party that seems to want to cut the BS and do what Canadians want/need. They are nowhere close to my NDD proposal, but until that comes to reality, the NDP is the farthest away from that two-party system you just spoke of.

 

[L Gilbert]

Well, as to what the NDP would be like if they got into power, it's a guessing game. My experience is that parties say what they will do and then afterwards they do something different.
My experience with the NDP is provincially: here, every time they got into power, the size of gov't grew, they doubled the provincial debt every time, they bend over backwards for unions which resulted in multiples of bankruptcies of companies and an awful lot of the surviving ones moving to other provinces and southward, they intrude farther into people's lives, etc.