What are Canada's biggest problems?

petros

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Golfing is fun but it's not getting cheaper with competition and abundance of course that equal golfing to the moon in just one province.

If we totaled all in Canada could we golf to Venus or maybe Mars?
 

Bar Sinister

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We haven't had a warm winter since the last solar max that aligned with the nutation/el nino cycle 10 years ago and 7 years ago solar activity was extend as a large comet fired up solar activity from december 02- fb 03. Add all that in with a extreme low in the magnetosphere and it's rapid movement over the past 100 years and it's easy to BS people.

Who is "we?" Where I live (near Edmonton) there was no snow last year until the end of November and it was too warm to put any ice in outdoor rinks until December. Prior to that there have been several winters where it has not snowed significantly until nearly Christmas.
 

petros

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Up to a point. Spending the day in pubs, bingo halls, casinos while the kids are home alone eating maccaroni is.
Lucky kids. In these parts some kids get one meal a day and that is at school from volunteers and donated foods.

Then you are golfing in the wrong places.
Where do you golf? Wal Mart parking lot at night with travelling American seniors who live in motorhomes?
 

Machjo

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Then who would grow the food? This may come as a surprise to you but the majority of food production in this country is done in the middle of nowhere and city folk are not willing to pay the real cost of food production. You need to sell that concept to the urbanites before you cut off the flow of money to the people that feed them.

No surprise here. Clearly a farme living on the outskirt of town would have a clear advantge over one living in the middle of nowhere. Also, if the lands surrounding a town are fertile, that would give farmers an incentive to move there. If not, then food costs would jump in that town (and people would still pay because they have to eat),and so some people (eg.retirees, those who work from home online, etc.) would likely be tempted to move out closer to where the farms are.

If city folk don't want to pay for the real costs of food production, then it sucks to be us (I'm a city-slicker too). Why should farmers' taxes subsidize our food costs? If we choose to live far away from where the fertile lands are, then that's our fault, not the farmers'. If we're smart enough to move to a town with fertile lands nearby, then we ought to be compensated for our efforts. Why should we subsidize people who are not willing to relocate (either way, be it from town to country or vice versa) so as to be closer to the resources they consume?

If we did that, I can guarantee suburbs would become less popular over night, thus resulting in more efficient long-term development over time.

Spending money on having fun is not a waste.

Sure, as long as it's not being subsidized, directly or otherwise. Afterall, you need to build lot's of roadway around a golf course, and because of the space it takes, it also preads the population out more, making it take longer for everyone to get everywehre. So if they're paying the real costs of the real estate the golf course is on, I see no problem with it. Now for all I know, maybe that is the case, I just hope that it is.
 

Machjo

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You don't have to explain it to me. You have to convince people that they are better off paying more for food and to forget the lessons learned in WWII

Sure food costs would rise. But then again, government debt would shrink and eventually taxes could be reduced or at the very least spent more wisely. If taxes are reduced, then that compensates us for the cost of the food, while still allowing us to compare food cots in different cities, and thus giving us an incentive to move where food costs less (obviously where the fertile lands are).

And if taxes are not reduced, well then that would depend on how the money is spent. As for the poor, instead of subsidizing their food, while not just give them higher-valued school vouchers that would cover room and board. My guess is schools too would be tempted to move to where food costs less. With the unemployed having no choice but to follow the voucher to whre the school is located, would thus essentially become relocated themselves in the new environment, so that when they leave school, they can look for work and settle where the food costs less.

As for the lessons of WWII, run that by me again?

Certainly I can see some kind of national programme to protect against environmental calamities that could destroy our food supply. But that's not the same thing as just subsidizing the suburban lifestyle.
 

Cannuck

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There's two problems to your thinking. First, it would mean a massive shift in population to the west and no federal government would allow that. Secondly, the lessons learned from WWII was that the governments need better management/control of food production so that it can feed its population during times of crises. Too few people want to treat food as they do other commodities.
 

Tonington

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Followed closely by defense lawyers.

Defense lawyers are higher up the pile than those slime lawyers who make their money splitting up families. They are lower than whale $hit at the bottom of the Marianas Trench in my book
 

JLM

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Defense lawyers are higher up the pile than those slime lawyers who make their money splitting up families. They are lower than whale $hit at the bottom of the Marianas Trench in my book

Well, I've been married damn near 40 years and I haven't had one show up at my door yet.
 

Machjo

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There's two problems to your thinking. First, it would mean a massive shift in population to the west and no federal government would allow that. Secondly, the lessons learned from WWII was that the governments need better management/control of food production so that it can feed its population during times of crises. Too few people want to treat food as they do other commodities.

1. Why would federal governments not allow people to move West?

2. I fully agree that agriculture needs to be protected to a certain degree owing to its obvious necessity as a food supply. I could see some scheme requiring famers to dry or otherwise preserve a cerain percentage of their food every year so as to ensure an emergency backup in times of crisis. In the short term, and likely long-term too, this could push prices up, a fair bit in the short term and a little in the long term. But I guess that would be the price to pay for food security. As for the most vulnerable Canadians, again, I'm not suggesting abandoning them to starvation, but certainly they can meet us half way in our attempts to help them.

So while I can certainly agree that we should not treat agriculture just like any other industry, it doesn't mean we should abandon market economics altogether. And no, I'm not some frothing at the mouth capitalist, but merely acknowleding that just as in some cases government regulation is preferable, in others the free market is. It's a matter of finding the right blend. But when government is essentially subsidizing suburbanites on the backs of urbanites and 'ruralites', then there's a problem.
 

Tonington

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Well, I've been married damn near 40 years and I haven't had one show up at my door yet.

So? Have you retained a criminal lawyer then? I guess you and I are lucky in different ways if that is the case.

If you've never met one professionally, then consider yourself lucky. I watched my parents get played by them while I was in high school. A divorce is an emotional thing to go through, and family lawyers excel at using emotion to drown logic.