Terrible spin.Yes, m'lord.
Nevertheless, it is interesting how some people are more threatened by architecture than by weapons.
I find it interesting that the same people who agree that the Swiss have the right to ban architecture (on religious grounds), also agree that Canada cannot ban carrying concealed weapons into public places (for certain special groups, on religious grounds).
Yes, m'lord.
Nevertheless, it is interesting how some people are more threatened by architecture than by weapons.
WRONG. Virtually every able-male adult Swiss citizen owns a gun.
Andem, TP's just trying to sidetrack the thread into the thing about Sikhs carrying kirpans. No worries.
The similarities aren't that strong. I saw your point a long time ago. But, it's also funny that people can't see the difference between the importance of a building and that of a kirpan.Actually, I find the contrast interesting, because here we have some people trying to ban architecture as a way of clamping down on religion, supported by the same people who bend over backwards to support religious freedom in other ways.
It's a funny contrast, but I understand that many people here don't grasp the similarities, only the differences. The justifications for the differences are silly, but if people keep repeating them, they can easily believe them.
It's a funny contrast, but I understand that many people here don't grasp the similarities, only the differences. The justifications for the differences are silly, but if people keep repeating them, they can easily believe them.
The difference is a fundamental one, TenPenny, not superficial. It probably says in the Sikh Holy Book, Granth Sahib, that Sikhs must wear kirpan at all times (at least I assume it does).
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Minaret is simply architectural feature, nothing more. Same as the MacDonald arch. Telling Sikhs not to wear the kirpan would be tantamount to telling Christians not to have the cross in their Church, or telling Hindus that they must not have any statues, images of God in their temple.
TP is simply trying to sidetrack the thread. Everyone's a hypocrite sometime.
But you don't know.
But, as you've said, you don't actually know what you are talking about, it's all your opinion. Anecdotal by your own admission, and therefore, according to you, worthless.
That said, why is an architectural feature so threatening?
That doesn’t make sense, TenPenny. What is anecdotal? That kirpan is an essential part of Sikh religion is anecdotal? That minaret is not an integral part of Islam is anecdotal? Where does exactly ‘anecdotal’ come in here? What statistics would you look to, if you think this is anecdotal?
You seem to have the same attitude as the caterpillar in Through the Looking Glass (at least I think it was the caterpillar). If I may paraphrase him (I don’t recall the exact words)
:”The question my dear is, who is the master. When I use a word, it means precisely what I want it to mean, and not what it wants to mean.”
Hey, you are the one who claims you don't know if either of those items are actually mentioned in their holy books.
If you say you don't know what you're talking about, I'm certainly not going to argue.
I don’t know of it firsthand in the sense that I haven’t read the Granth Sahib. But that is what I read in the news items when they were discussing the policy of letting Sikhs carry kirpan into Olympic Stadium. I remember reading in the news that kirpan, turban (and three other ‘k’s) are an integral part of the Sikh religion.
I have no reason to doubt them.
As to the minarets, are you serious? Do you really expect me to prove to you that Minarets are not mentioned in the Koran (in relation to mosques)? If that is what you expect, then you are right, there is no point in arguing.
Oh, well, in that case, the Swiss had a referendum and decided what they wanted. That's the idea of democracy.I was trying to find out why it is so important to support extremist right wing Swiss nutcases who are afraid of steeples.
Nonsense, Muslims are just ordinary people struggling to get by just like the rest of us mortals.
I was trying to find out why it is so important to support extremist right wing Swiss nutcases who are afraid of steeples.
The real reason why the Swiss have voted against allowing foreigners from building minarets is because they simply don't want that type of foreigner in their country. It's simply and it's non-PC. Wonderful.