six AM is the middle of the morning for christ sake all adults should be on their second large coffee and at least one joint by that hour, where the hell is your work ethic people?
Swiss to Ban Minarets
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There is no need for a chart, TenPenny. Some areas of the west, some areas in BC, Saskatchewan etc. are notorious for its high level of crime. Toronto, whom many regard as the main culprit when it comes to crime, has a pretty low crime rate by comparison.
Minarets and call to prayer are two totally different things, juan. They don’t need minarets to issue call to prayers. Anyway, Swiss won’t be able to ban any call to prayers by banning minarets, Muslims can simply use a microphone and blare it all over the city.
If Swiss do not want to be disturbed first thing in the morning, they will have to ban the call to prayer. Anyway, isn’t call to prayer banned in most Canadian cities? One does not hear any call to prayer at 5 or 6 a.m. in any Canadian city. If Muslims could, I am sure they would give an early morning call to prayers.
Ontario has the lowest crime rate in Canada, Quebec is second lowest. SK has the highest (leaving out NWT and YT, the population there is so small that it is not really significant).
Among the cities, Saskatoon has the highest crime rate, followed by Regina. However, the crime rate is dropping all over Canada.
Crime in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If we look at murder rate alone, Port Coquitlam, B.C is the worst, followed by Edmonton, Winnipeg and Saskatoon (all in the West). Toronto comes no. 9. Indeed, there is no Ontario city in the first eight.
The Most Dangerous Cities in Canada: Murder rate - Canada - Macleans.ca
And Swiss chocolates, watches, yodeling, and Riiiiiicola.
I thought Riiiiicola was a call to to prayer from a Swiss minaret, but that can't be right since there are only four (4) in all off Switzerland.
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Sorry about using Arabic numerals a second (2nd) time, but it was only for emphasis. I wonder what the Swiss will use when the spreading paranoia reaches the mathematics classroom?
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It is bad enough that we have to put up with the Jehovah's Witnesses but they at least are not unpleasantly noisy.
Btw, in an earlier post I talked about staying in the Embassador Hotel in Istanbul which is very close to the famous Blue Mosque. The loud "singers" I complained about were somewhere high in the mosque.....I thought they were in the minarets.
Banning Minarets? Big deal.
I think Canada should ban the Olys and take the Swiss's style of government.
I think Canada should ban the Olys and take the Swiss's style of government.
Spade, the point here is not whether the Swiss decision makes sense, maybe it doesn’t. But the important thing here is that they are not infringing upon any religious freedoms by this decision. Short of that, if they want to take a nonsense, absurd decision, that is an internal affair and not really anybody’s business.
Indeed, there are many absurd, unjust practices in many countries. Perhaps we may not approve of them, but that is their internal affair, and they do not rise to the level of violation of human right, basic freedoms etc. Spain’s bullfighting comes to mind. I think it is a barbaric practice, and I would like to see them ban it. However, seeing that it doesn’t violate nay of the basic freedoms (freedom of speech, freedom for press, freedom of religion, the right to vote etc.) it is Spain’s internal affair.
This decision by the Swiss is no different.
Some mosques do indeed use the minarets to issue call to prayers. But others simply use a microphone and a loudspeaker. Not all the mosques that have minarets use it to issue call to prayer.
Incidentally, just yesterday I was driving and I saw a mosque without a minaret on top. So a minaret is not a must with the Muslims.
The decision by the Swiss is symbolic of a growth of intolerance towards minorities in Europe. It is the Swiss decision to ban minarets; it is mine to criticize them. I do agree with Andem that Switzerland is more democratic than most European nations (including Britain); that's why I find it somewhat unsettling.
As lousy as it is, intolerance is the natural side effect of losing ones identity. European lordships, kingdoms, militant acreages date back millennia. Two world wars and a European union have blurred boundaries and all but erased cultures. Moslems are the new kids on the block - and old adversaries to a Faith imposed on Europeans. Rightly, they should be the ones doing the adapting.