Quebec to curtail religion in public daycares

[Kreskin]

I'm not religious at all. I don't want to brainwash her to think that my outlook on life is the only one. The religious aspect is a small part of what she is exposed to. They've provided her with opportunities that no other daycare comes close to in our area.

 

[s_lone]

My daughter has gone to a Christian daycare for 5 years. It has been an absolutely incredible program. It would be a shame to see it fold because it couldn't get enough funding.

Can you imagine the exact same daycare without the kids being talked about Jesus?

 

[Cliffy]

Not even worth replying with the anti "religion" brigade spouting the bullshyte they are......How unfortunate that the Church is being blamed for mentally unstable behaviours.

Should we get into the mental, emotional, physical and sexual abuse brought upon the indigenous people in religion run residential schools? How about the thousands of indigenous children that died and were never heard of again? Is that bullshyte? How about the dozens of ex-Catholics I have met who have gone through hell because of their indoctrination if the the cult of fear and guilt?

Oh, and grow up with the negative reps.

 

[JLM]

Can you imagine the exact same daycare without the kids being talked about Jesus?

I don't see any problem with the kids being talked to about Jesus- I think however it should be presented as a "story"- not rammed down their throats that "he did so walk across a lake".

 

[captain morgan]

Damned socialists depriving innocent children of their religious brainwashing.

Don't you see the irony here?

It is the same "damned socialists" that weep for multiculturalism, but draw their line in the sand when it includes anything related to religion.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Don't you see the irony here?

It is the same "damned socialists" that weep for multiculturalism, but draw their line in the sand when it includes anything related to religion.

No, I don't see any irony in a secular government deciding not to fund an institution that includes religious indoctrination as part of its program. However, I knew it would only be a matter of time before someone decided to blame the left for cutting the funding.

 

[s_lone]

s-lone, I am not afraid of kids using their minds. In fact I encourage them to do so. But give them time to be kids. They will have enough atheist experience in their lives so that you can claim them to be your atheist captives. If that happens I will be more gracious to accept that than the atheists are ready to accept that there may be some people - even kids - who believe in God.

I'm not an atheist and don't have an atheist agenda. There's no need to be an atheist to believe in the value of secularism. And I wouldn't accept any atheist ideology in schools or daycares any more than I would accept religious ones. I think children should be lead to reflect upon moral, ethical and spiritual issues. But there's a difference between triggering reflection and imposing a given world view on them.

One of my jobs is to animate music and science activities for children in day care. In the science workshops, I ask them basic questions such as where the rain and the wind come from? I remember a kid who would systematically involve God in all these questions. It was cute but kind of sad too.

 

[Kreskin]

Can you imagine the exact same daycare without the kids being talked about Jesus?

I've reviewed many and haven't found one that exists. I don't mind them talking about Jesus, to be honest (and I'm not religious).

 

[s_lone]

I've reviewed many and haven't found one that exists. I don't mind them talking about Jesus, to be honest (and I'm not religious).

What do they tell the kids? There's a difference in telling kids a man named Jesus was a really good guy who liked helping the sick and the poor and telling them about a man who died and came back from the dead because he was the son of God

I'm sure this great daycare could offer the same outstanding care to children without the religious aspect of things. Is it really necessary?

I'm not judging the daycare. I wouldn't do it without seeing for myself what kind of education they give to the kids.

 

[Kreskin]

What do they tell the kids? There's a difference in telling kids a man named Jesus was a really good guy who liked helping the sick and the poor and telling them about a man who died and came back from the dead because he was the son of God

I'm sure this great daycare could offer the same outstanding care to children without the religious aspect of things. Is it really necessary?

I'm not judging the daycare. I wouldn't do it without seeing for myself what kind of education they give to the kids.

For the same price of other daycares they provide skating lessons, swimming lessons, field trips, music and drama activities and other day to day in-house activities. They fund raise through the church to bring these to kids at no costs. Having said that, the core function of the daycare operates like any other. If they can't pay people to work then none of that will happen.

By the way, I'm not in Quebec. Just saying how beneficial a religious-based daycare can be. They are often run by people with big hearts who put kids first.

 

[captain morgan]

No, I don't see any irony in a secular government deciding not to fund an institution that includes religious indoctrination as part of its program. However, I knew it would only be a matter of time before someone decided to blame the left for cutting the funding.

"Multiculturalism" comes with a lot of baggage and severing one component (religion) is regressive in terms of boasting about being multicultural. It sends the message that we (Canada) promote multiculturalism, but only if it doesn't involve religion... Pretty hollow words when it's put that way, isn't it?

However, if you want a more tangible argument, the non-secular population contributes equally into the tax base... Is it not "fair" that this group should have equal representation from the gvt services sector?

PS - Don't look it as "blaming" the leftards... Look it as accurately identifying the political ideology that initiated this failed policy.

 

[Cliffy]

Leftard/rightard are classifications of simple minds. The human race is almost 7 billion degrees of the full spectrum of human beliefs, both political and religious. Left and right only exist to those who think they are the centre of the universe.

 

[petros]

Left hand and right hand are both pimped by the hidden hand.

 

[Cliffy]

Some of these guys look like they are fondling their man boobs and others look like they are picking their navel lint. Only one guy is using his left hand. Left handed used to mean you were retarded or a minion of the devil when I went to school.

 

[TenPenny]

What I find interesting is that, up until the 1960s, the Catholic Church ran every aspect of life in Quebec, and now they are the province pushing hard to remove religion from daycare. Quite a change in a fairly short time period.

 

[Sparrow]

I am also a Quebecer, and experienced the stringent RC upbringing. I was lucky because I was what they used to call "un maudis anglais" (English Quebecer). In our schools and homes religion was not so overwhelming.

Between 1916 and 1925 women got the right to vote, except Quebec. Here the church ran the government and were not favorable to women voting, however they finally got it 20 yrs later.
Women we commanded by the church to be barefoot and pregnant, once a year the priests would visit the homes and if the woman was not pregnant she had to do pennants. My mother-in-law had her first child at 16, in all she had 18 with two miscarriages. These are just 2 examples of what went on in Quebec there are many many more.

Having participated in several forum discussions on this subject I am of the impression that those who lived outside of Quebec did not live under the thumb of the RC church like we did. My Mother's generation and mine have fought to free us from the shackles of the RC religion.

I believe in separation of state and religion, that also includes school and religion. Many other religion have Sunday School and why not! This way parents can choose to send their children of not.
I do believe children need some kind of religion and moral instruction but not in daycare or schools were today there are people of many beliefs together. However that includes no religious dress nor symbols (kirpan etc) and no special conditions granted for beliefs.

 

[Risus]

Some of these guys look like they are fondling their man boobs and others look like they are picking their navel lint. Only one guy is using his left hand. Left handed used to mean you were retarded or a minion of the devil when I went to school.

I was going to agree with you, but decided against it when I realized you needed to go back to school, grade one actually, since there are at least two, not one, using their left hand...

 

[Kreskin]

Too bad God is helping NFL players block today rather than helping block this ban.

 

[Cliffy]

I was going to agree with you, but decided against it when I realized you needed to go back to school, grade one actually, since there are at least two, not one, using their left hand...

One of them was a cartoon. I don't think that counts because it is really easy to reverse a cartoon (yes, I know, it is also easy to reverse any picture, but Raygun was a republican after all so I think the picture was reversed.)

 

[Risus]

One of them was a cartoon. I don't think that counts because it is really easy to reverse a cartoon (yes, I know, it is also easy to reverse any picture, but Raygun was a republican after all so I think the picture was reversed.)

Raygun was the third. I didn't even consider him. Back to grade one.....