The number of birds in this kill off is nothing, but this lake is 22 square kilometers of toxic sludge and is not the only one. There are many more. The wildlife and environment cannot sustain that sort of degradation for long. Even the apologists will not be able to deny the effects these are having of the environment and weather patterns forever.
More Ducks Tarred and Feathered?
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This thread is about ducks dying in the talings ponds and since Ducks Unlimited estimates 125,000 ducks shot annually, the thread lacks perspective. Now, if you want to discuss the pros and cons of tailings ponds then by all means start up a thread.
I have no doubt. After suggesting that the rescuers from the Gulf help the Alberta birds, I realized that they'd have to stay in camps, drink bottled water, work in dark, cold, harsh conditions - in comparison to the Gulf - and they'd see the fresh water turned to brackish water, dirty water, all for the sake of extracting oil. Fresh water is in decline, places like Cailfornia have wanted it pumped from Canada for years. Ecologists would be horrified, but they also won't like working in that environment ... they would prefer the comforts of air conditioned rooms on warm, sunny days along the beach. If only Canada would catch up to Northern Europe, and even parts of cemtral South America, and the US would catch up to Canada, we'd all be better off.
so now somethings being done and your mad because you will lose your ability to keep spouting hatred and ignorance?
Looks like were doing allright then,you will only look more foolish in the coming years.Big oil does give a flying fuc*,they have millions to spend and arent shy on spending it to make you look ignorant and a fool,just watch.They dont blink an eye on putting out millions and I mean millions of dollars on cleaning up the tailings ponds,just watch next year.
No comparison at all here,move along,move along,nothing to see here.
Got some dates or timelines on this?
Any wildlife the past 2 years?
I'll wait for your post on the timelines before commenting further on this part.
Ya right,its affecting the weather patterns,give your head a shake man.If it's so toxic then why am I and others allowed to work in these tailings?
Are you more worried about a few birds then humans?
The water used in extraction is the same water on the top of the tailings ponds,it's recycled.
I know how dirty they are,I work right in them and I mean right in them,up to 3 meters of tailings at any given time along with many other folks.Please read my posts about tailings ponds in some of the earlier topics if you truly want to be informed.
Yawn,more propaganda.
All of Alberta would be covered by this in a few years if this was true.
Sorry but I cant do pdf's and tend to rely on info as I see it in the flesh anyways,too many liars and bull****ters out there with an agenda that have no clue.
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So, the Fort Mac journalists hate and or are jealous of Alberta? I guess the whole world was jealous of Louisiana too? I mean they have life great down there don't they? No natural disasters or man made disasters at all.
Yeah right.
Toxic tailings,some should research where they come from in the first place,where the small percentage of them go after extraction and refining and how many oil related products they use in their own life therefore contributing to the tailings before they beak off on their ivory tower.
I get a real laugh though from the comments from the ignorant so keep them coming folks!
Anyone with mutual funds has a stake in the oilsands and thats probably a lot on here commenting,anyone who doesnt live in a cave is contributing to the oilsands and our reliance on oil.
You guys keep them up though,it's very easy to poke holes in your assumptions.
The journalists all agreed,its you haters that fuel these story's getting publicity.
Where not in Louisiana either,were in Alberta,you need a geograpy lesson as well as one about the oilsands?
Totally different scenario and has nothing to do with tailings ponds except for the fact that our new technology in cleaning them up would benefit them in cleaning up their mess.
Try and be pro active bud and you wont look so much the fool.
I get a real laugh though from the comments from the ignorant so keep them coming folks!
Anyone with mutual funds has a stake in the oilsands and thats probably a lot on here commenting,anyone who doesnt live in a cave is contributing to the oilsands and our reliance on oil.
You guys keep them up though,it's very easy to poke holes in your assumptions.
We actually called the radio station yesterday and said enough on the dead ducks,a guy died in a plane crash a day before and it isnt news?
The journalists all agreed,its you haters that fuel these story's getting publicity.
Where not in Louisiana either,were in Alberta,you need a geograpy lesson as well as one about the oilsands?
Totally different scenario and has nothing to do with tailings ponds except for the fact that our new technology in cleaning them up would benefit them in cleaning up their mess.
Try and be pro active bud and you wont look so much the fool.
Bull$hit. Journalists create narratives to sell advertising. There's no publicity without the media. Calgary Herald, do they hate you Kakato?
You need a lesson in critical thinking if you can't follow the dots. Geography has nothing to do with it, but nice try Mr. Apologist.
In the big picture, Alberta is faring a whole lot better than the US, but a whole lot worse than, say, Norway.
Yes, some birds landed in the tailing pond and got tarred ... they already were feathered. They were, actually, de-feathered ... grounded. Why doesn't the industry put nets over their dirty water to prevent this thing from happening. Sure it's a large area, but they've been able to work with that area of this large drainage pond until now ... what's preventing them from continuning to work with it while ensuring that wild birds don't perceive it as water?
Yes, some birds landed in the tailing pond and got tarred ... they already were feathered. They were, actually, de-feathered ... grounded. Why doesn't the industry put nets over their dirty water to prevent this thing from happening. Sure it's a large area, but they've been able to work with that area of this large drainage pond until now ... what's preventing them from continuning to work with it while ensuring that wild birds don't perceive it as water?
I am worried about all living things. As far as how safe they are to work in, come back in ten years and tell us how healthy you are. You remind me of the guys who went to work in the uranium mines thinking they were all safe because the government told it was. Toxic waste is dangerous. I hope you wear lots of protection. And from all your yelling and name calling, it may be about time to go to ceremony, get a little respect and perspective.
More panties in a knot. I hope you don't plan on having any kids.
isn't it strange that those who are the most staunch believers of Darwinism (you know, the survival of the fittest) are the loudest cry-babies over the the deaths of some birds who landed in a pond created by another species (you know, humans)?
It has always been so. Some live some die.
And before we all succumb to the leftist alarmist, let us remember that we are still here, in spite the heart-breaking loss of dinosaurs, passenger pidgeons and dodo birds. Moreover:
1200 New Amazon Species Found | OTL
new species discovered - Google Search
It has always been so. Some live some die.
And before we all succumb to the leftist alarmist, let us remember that we are still here, in spite the heart-breaking loss of dinosaurs, passenger pidgeons and dodo birds. Moreover:
1200 New Amazon Species Found | OTL
new species discovered - Google Search
You also don't observe the big hue and cry about the deaths of those animals that aren't "cute". No one mourns the loss of mosquitoes, insects, gophers or rats, rather, society promotes the extermination of such.
What's strange to me is that nobody seems to understand that neither big oil, nor the environmental movement, are perfectly good or perfectly evil.
If one listens to both, they have a point, and in reality the position of one tempers the position of the other. Without the environmental movement, all industry would completely destroy our environment. Without industry, society wouldn't exist to give the enviromentalists anything to live on.
In the real world, having both extremes helps to define a reasonable middle ground.
And face it, without the environmentalists pushing for the last 20 years, Kakato wouldn't have a job reclaiming the tailings ponds.
If one listens to both, they have a point, and in reality the position of one tempers the position of the other. Without the environmental movement, all industry would completely destroy our environment. Without industry, society wouldn't exist to give the enviromentalists anything to live on.
In the real world, having both extremes helps to define a reasonable middle ground.
And face it, without the environmentalists pushing for the last 20 years, Kakato wouldn't have a job reclaiming the tailings ponds.
Stop the companies that are using the lake/lakes for a dumping ground then get them to clean up the lakes. Better yet, have your goverment clean up the lakes and bill the companies responsible. This shouldn't even be a debate, a decision has to be made before the lake pollutes the water table. Just preventing the birds from landing does not solve the problem, and as was mentioned it is just not the birds that are effected. Time to bring your goverment into the 21st century and be more environmentally sensitive.
Perhaps, if the companies that create these tailing ponds were taxed less, they could devote some funds to research and development to convert the presently useless tailings to something useful.
Perhaps, if individual enterpreneurship was not squashed by socialistic nonsensense encouraged by the current administration, it would be brave enough to come up with solutions that no government ever could.
Perhaps the President, instead of declaring that electricity prices would necesserily sky-rocket should encourage research and development to burn the most abundant natural resource - you know, COAL - his approval ratings would not be in the toilet.
Perhaps if the President stopped being a community organizer and a campaigner and BE a President???
Perhaps, if individual enterpreneurship was not squashed by socialistic nonsensense encouraged by the current administration, it would be brave enough to come up with solutions that no government ever could.
Perhaps the President, instead of declaring that electricity prices would necesserily sky-rocket should encourage research and development to burn the most abundant natural resource - you know, COAL - his approval ratings would not be in the toilet.
Perhaps if the President stopped being a community organizer and a campaigner and BE a President???
When I was young, I worked on the Kaiser Resources coal mine site in Sparwood, BC. I saw the rigorous and diligent effort by the company to replace the moved over-burden and to replant trees which would have never been replanted if the damage had been caused by a natural forest fire.
I also worked on the Great Canadian Oil Sands site (are they even in existence today?) and saw the same thing.
The people who are bashing these companies are probably using electricity produced by natural resources as a result of the efforts of the companies they are bashing. If they only grew up and get out of their mamma's basement and try to do something for themselves, they would have a touch more credibility.
I also worked on the Great Canadian Oil Sands site (are they even in existence today?) and saw the same thing.
The people who are bashing these companies are probably using electricity produced by natural resources as a result of the efforts of the companies they are bashing. If they only grew up and get out of their mamma's basement and try to do something for themselves, they would have a touch more credibility.
That's ludicrous Jack. Is it too much to expect the law to be followed, specifically s.155 of Alberta’s Environmental Protection and Enhancement Act:
Hopefully the technology that Kakato and others are working on will become standard, and the need for large ponds of toxic water will be eliminated. Thing is, these companies wouldn't be doing this on their own, in fact they weren't. It was only after Directive 74 was released by the Alberta Energy Resources Conservation Board that the scale of R&D and deployment into tailing reduction improved. That's because the regulators mandated improvements. The oil sands operators weren't meeting the targets set out in their own applications, hence the immense size of the tailing "ponds" which was growing steadily.
If the companies are going to build lakes to store hazardous materials, it's expected that they will take all precautions necessary to live up to the law of the land.
Hopefully the technology that Kakato and others are working on will become standard, and the need for large ponds of toxic water will be eliminated. Thing is, these companies wouldn't be doing this on their own, in fact they weren't. It was only after Directive 74 was released by the Alberta Energy Resources Conservation Board that the scale of R&D and deployment into tailing reduction improved. That's because the regulators mandated improvements. The oil sands operators weren't meeting the targets set out in their own applications, hence the immense size of the tailing "ponds" which was growing steadily.
I worked on the GCOS project in the late sixties. It was a smelly mess then and it is still
a smelly mess. The tar sands should be shut down until they find a solution to the environmental
problems they are causing.