More Ducks Tarred and Feathered?

Durry

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More birds die flying into high-rise buildings or flying into wind turbine blades than they do in tailings ponds.
Tailing ponds are the flavor of this past few years, but people are not able to put the whole situation into perspective.
Maybe it's because they have too big a hard on for the oil industry.
 

Kakato

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Funny but I knew there would be a topic on this,also funny is this is headline news here in fort mac even though a plane crashed short of a runway the same day and one person died and 11 were injured yet it plays second fiddle to some ducks,shows how much some people hate Alberta or are jelous to the point that they have to focus on animals before humans,your a sick lot folks if you cant get your priorities straight.

I wont even comment on the air cannons,they dont work very well,also all the oilsand operators have been asking for solutions to keeping birds out of the tailings ponds for years untill we can get rid of all but one per mine and that will take about ten years yet.Theres some million dollar contracts that some one could get if they focused on being proactive instead of playing the blame game here like a few are.I'm used to seeing folks whine and cry though with out ever offering any suggestions or solutions,because thats their agenda,bad bad Alberta where thousand of east coasters are living the dream(having a job) and making over $100,000 a year and contributing to the east coast with their taxes so the rest of Canada doesnt have to give more to them to survive,pay off their house and keep their kids in a standard of living that the east coast government cant give them without taxpayer handouts from the ROC.

Funny no one focuses on a solution but plays the blame game instead,makes you wonder if they even care about the waterfowl or are just pushing an anti Alberta agenda.

I saw all the ducks and geese flying over our ponds when this happened,they were going west in a freezing rain,I thought they were going to land on one of ours but only 40 did as i'm right next to the ponds.
We eat ducks,and Geese,yet we care more about them then a human being killed in an air crash the same day due to the same weather condition?

Give your head a shake folks.

For 3 million dollars I could hire out 50 guys per mine and have someone on the ponds in boats during migrations with bear scares,flare guns and a few other things that would deter them from landing on the ponds,maybe a clear water pond close by that would be safe but im a very proactive guy,I dont whine about these things,they happen,I try find a solution as most of the operators in the oilsands do.This will keep happening untill someone does come up with a better way and that person will be rich in a few years,the oilsands have lots of money to spend on anyone who has a solution,you folks have no idea how much money they will spend,no idea at all unless you have worked there.
Syncrude has radar to detect these flocks,i dont think they expected this and someone with a little moxy would have a company and peeps out there to deter these flocks,the birds would probably die anyway but at least the pr wouldnt be so bad,money well spent.

Ziggy,taking out tailings ponds one at a time.

You can't clean up active tailings ponds; the love canal was a dump for chemical wastes, not an active part of an ongoing operation.


Thats right,but you can clean up all but one tailings pond per mine,something i'm doing right now along with the company im working for.

The love canal cant even be compared to a tailings pond,the only thing that kills waterfowl is the bitumen as it floats to the top of water.Their not as toxic as you think they are,if they were the government and unions wouldnt let us work all day in them.

When you fly over the Syncrude mess, the tailing pond looks just like a lake.
Unfortunately that lake is toxic to wildfowl. I can't see anything changing unless
they cover the ponds or come up with a new method for this part of the operation.
I think i have posted enough info for you to glean over Juan as I am involved in just that in tailings reduction operations.
Didnt you see me on the many newscasts?
probably not as it's typical for peeps to change the channell when anything positive about tailing reduction ops come on the news if they dont want to see the truth and have it ruin their little hate fest.

Honestly,we have been filmed and on the news many times this summer on the TRO project.
Keep focusing on a few hundred dead ducks though.
It's been on CTV,CBC,CFCN and many other networks all summer.

That's twice now .. ...What happens at 3? ...Who Strikes out ...?

The field is only growing larger ..?...

It's not only birds drinkin'/ sinkin in, the toxic ponds...
So tell me,what else is sinking in the ponds?
I work in them and havent seen anything sinking but me,maybe you have some info I should know about?

Of course you probaly have some documentation and pics or some proof or are you just making things up?
For your info,theres no wildlife around the ponds,I wont tell you why yet as i want to hear what you say is sinking before i show your ignorance and make you look like a fool.
 

Unforgiven

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How about building alternatives to the tailings pond just before them on migration routes?
 

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Funny but I knew there would be a topic on this,also funny is this is headline news here in fort mac even though a plane crashed short of a runway the same day and one person died and 11 were injured yet it plays second fiddle to some ducks,shows how much some people hate Alberta or are jelous to the point that they have to focus on animals before humans,your a sick lot folks if you cant get your priorities straight.
Yadda, Yadda, rant and rave.
Dude! Getting your panties all inna knot is just gonna squeeze yer nuts. You've cleaned up 1% of the mess, Whoopy Ding! and you expect everybody to to stop raggin' about the mess. People have been yelling for decades and all of a sudden, something is being done. Big deal! If people stopped raggin' the cleanup would stop too. Don't kid yourself, big oil don't give a flying F about the environment. What little they do is because they are forced to.
 

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Exactly; the only reason that things are being cleaned up is that public pressure is being applied.

Some people don't seem to grasp that the only reason they have a job doing environmental reclamation work is that there are loud voices demanding that it be done.
 

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I don't think the rest of Canada knows what an ugly monster the tar sands are.
500,000 tons of non recyclable waste is pumped out by Syncrude every day.
How can the ducks miss a 22 square kilometer toxic lake?

http://www.tarsandswatch.org/files/Water%20Contamination.pdf

Exactly Juan ...Is just a bad industry to be stuck in ...

Metro - Alberta premier gets air ticket for oilsands - It's not just the ducks who are negatively affected....

Metro - Canadian Oil Sands reports Q3 profit down - The dirty oil machine might not grind to a halt anytime soon .. ...But we can slow it down .

The Abuse/Degradation must stop...For Canada's Black Eye to heal...

There is always another way / Always solutions...
 
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Cannuck

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More birds are killed every year flying into high rises than tailings ponds....then there are wind turbines (which are going to become more and more prevalent). How many ducks are shot by hunters every year?

This is one of those stories that the media loves. Everybody hates the big oil companies, you get to throw perspective out the window and for people like Juan and Cliffy, beating up on Alberta is better than Viagra
 

Cliffy

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More birds are killed every year flying into high rises than tailings ponds....then there are wind turbines (which are going to become more and more prevalent). How many ducks are shot by hunters every year?

This is one of those stories that the media loves. Everybody hates the big oil companies, you get to throw perspective out the window and for people like Juan and Cliffy, beating up on Alberta is better than Viagra
I wouldn't know. Never tried Viagra.
 

#juan

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More birds are killed every year flying into high rises than tailings ponds....then there are wind turbines (which are going to become more and more prevalent). How many ducks are shot by hunters every year?

This is one of those stories that the media loves. Everybody hates the big oil companies, you get to throw perspective out the window and for people like Juan and Cliffy, beating up on Alberta is better than Viagra

I don't think we know how many birds are killed in the tailing ponds and I doubt many ducks fly into high rises.

Perspective? How else should we think about 14 square mile toxic lakes. 14 square miles is no longer a bloody "pond". If
Syncrude has it's way over the next ten years they will have fifty square miles of this poisonous sludge. The dam that keeps
this crap out of the Athabaska river is already one of the longest dams in the world. Perspective?????
 

#juan

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It's not only ducks.

The Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy (FOIP) request was filed by independent scientist Kevin Timoney and sought material from Alberta Sustainable Resource Development (SRD). The disclosed SRD information covers only three oil companies and shows reported deaths of 27 black bears, 67 deer, 31 red fox, 21 coyote, as well as moose, muskrats, beavers, voles, martens, wolves, and bats.
 

Cliffy

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