Israel- Hamas Ceasefire

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Could be. That would be highly impressive, being able to apply rocket science to a fully operational munitions factory, smelting their own parts, in an open air prison no better than the Warsaw Ghetto. Imagine what they could do if they would apply that ingenuity and resourcefullness to something more positive than killing Jews and perpetuating war.
Build a better airline?

If Canada is better than Palestine, how come our prisons don't have their own airlines?
 

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In the Tunnels: Gaza's Underground Economy
Oct. 13, 2009
Richard Mosse


A pulley mechanism is used to raise goods out of a tunnel near Rafah. The plastic chairs were smuggled in from Egypt to refit a school destroyed by Israeli bombs, according to Palestinians.

"There is only one economy — there's a tunnel economy," says John Ging, head of the U.N. Relief and Works Agency in the Gaza Strip. "You have zero exports and zero commercial imports through the [Israeli-controlled] crossing points. All that is allowed in is humanitarian aid and supplies ... In terms of economic activity, there is no economic activity other than the tunnel economy."

The rest: Gaza Tunnels: Palestinian Smugglers Trade Despite Danger - TIME

Images from inside Gaza's tunnels
The Tunnel Economy of Gaza - Photo Essays - TIME

Hamas and other militant groups who run the tunnel systems charge fees for their use and benefit from Israel's blockade. Only the average Gazan suffers from additional costs and a stagnant economy resulting from their inability to compete fairly in the free market. Gaza's high unemployment, Israel's cruel blockade and attacks against civilians serves to aid militant recruitment.

So how does this cruel blockade strengthen Israel and weaken their enemies again?



...In September 2008, the Rafah municipality introduced a one-off license fee of 10,000 shekels per tunnel plus a 1,000-3,000 shekel supplement for connection to the electricity grid. Levies on select goods gradually rose. By the autumn of 2011, Hamas was collecting a 100 percent surcharge on fuel from the tunnels, selling fuel that cost less than a shekel per liter in Egypt for 2.7 shekels in Gaza (still not quite a third of the prevailing price in the West Bank). Hamas similarly profited from the nightly blackouts, when the din of diesel-guzzling generators reverberates in Gaza City. Imports of Libyan cars earned Hamas $3,000-10,000 apiece in custom duties and registration. The tunnels further help the Islamists circumvent US Treasury restrictions on financial transfers from abroad. Hamas middlemen purchase laptops (including the one used to write this article) in Egypt and sell them at near cost on arrival in Gaza. As Gaza’s economy recovers, Hamas has succeeded in raising over half of its $300 million annual budget locally...
Speedy's Media: Gaza's Tunnel Complex
 

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Because it happens every time.

But according to the genocidal apologists, Israel started it.
You do realize that Palestinian casualties vastly outnumber those of Israeli's? So when you speak about pro-Palestinian genocidal supporters you just look like an incredible moron right?
 

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You do realize that Palestinian casualties vastly outnumber those of Israeli's? So when you speak about pro-Palestinian genocidal supporters you just look like an incredible moron right?
In the opinion of the majority in this forum.....you have the almost complete monopoly on that.....
 

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Netanyahu himself ordered the killing last week of the Hamas military chief, Ahmed al-Jaabari, to provoke a confrontation. He wanted a boost in the polls before heading into the election in January. So he launched a military operation in order to make himself look strong. I suspect Israel's leaders were surprised and deterred by the scale of militant resistance.

Many Palestinians believe the more expensive they make the occupation, the sooner it will end.

UN Watch Briefing

The UN might as well be run by the NSDAP.
UN Watch sounds neutral. but:

UN Watch is affiliated with the American Jewish Committee (AJC). In the 1970s, AJC spearheaded the fight to pass anti-boycott legislation to counter the Arab League boycott of Israel. In particular, Japan's defection[8] from the boycott was attributed to AJC persuasion. In 1975, AJC became the first Jewish organization to campaign against the UN's "Zionism is Racism" resolution, a campaign that finally succeeded in 1991. AJC played a leading role in breaking Israel's diplomatic isolation at the UN by helping it gain acceptance in WEOG (West Europe and Others), one of the UN's five regional groups.

I'm not saying they are 100% liars... just that people should know who they are. And if they are deceptive about who they are, how reliable is their information?
 

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UN Watch Briefing

The UN might as well be run by the NSDAP.
Israel keeps ignoring the UN so why wouldn't the UN ignore Israel?

Netanyahu himself ordered the killing last week of the Hamas military chief, Ahmed al-Jaabari, to provoke a confrontation. He wanted a boost in the polls before heading into the election in January. So he launched a military operation in order to make himself look strong. I suspect Israel's leaders were surprised and deterred by the scale of militant resistance.
Nutlessyahud didn't get his Iran attack for poll boosting so option 2 was taken.
 

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Netanyahu himself ordered the killing last week of the Hamas military chief, Ahmed al-Jaabari, to provoke a confrontation. He wanted a boost in the polls before heading into the election in January. So he launched a military operation in order to make himself look strong. I suspect Israel's leaders were surprised and deterred by the scale of militant resistance.

Many Palestinians believe the more expensive they make the occupation, the sooner it will end.


UN Watch sounds neutral. but:

UN Watch is affiliated with the American Jewish Committee (AJC). In the 1970s, AJC spearheaded the fight to pass anti-boycott legislation to counter the Arab League boycott of Israel. In particular, Japan's defection[8] from the boycott was attributed to AJC persuasion. In 1975, AJC became the first Jewish organization to campaign against the UN's "Zionism is Racism" resolution, a campaign that finally succeeded in 1991. AJC played a leading role in breaking Israel's diplomatic isolation at the UN by helping it gain acceptance in WEOG (West Europe and Others), one of the UN's five regional groups.

I'm not saying they are 100% liars... just that people should know who they are. And if they are deceptive about who they are, how reliable is their information?

Mission & History - UN Watch

Headed by Ambassador Alfred H. Moses (Chair), former US Ambassador to Romania and Presidential Emissary for the Cyprus Conflict, UN Watch is governed by an international board whose members include: Per Ahlmark (European Co-Chair), former Deputy Prime Minister of Sweden; Professor Irwin Cotler, international human rights advocate and former Minister of Justice and Attorney-General of Canada; David A. Harris (Co-Chair), AJC Executive Director; Ambassador Max Jakobson, former Permanent Representative of Finland to the UN in New York; and Ruth Wedgwood, professor of international law and diplomacy at Johns Hopkins University.


Founder: Morris B. Abram - UN Watch
Morris B. Abram
Founding Chairman, UN Watch
1918-2000

Morris B. Abram became the founding Chairman of UN Watch immediately following his term, 1989-1993, as US Permanent Representative to the UN in Geneva.

Ambassador Abram served five American Presidents -- John F. Kennedy, as General Counsel of the Peace Corps and as U.S. Representative to the UN Subcommission for the Prevention of Discrimination and the Protection of Minorities; Lyndon B. Johnson, as US Representative to the UN Commission on Human Rights and as Co-Chairman of the Planning Session of the 1965 White House Conference on Civil Rights; Jimmy Carter, as Chairman of the President's Commission for the Study of the Ethical Problems of Medicine; Ronald Reagan, as Vice-Chairman of the US Commission on Civil Rights; and George Bush, as US Permanent Representative to the UN in Geneva.

A native of Georgia, Ambassador Abram was educated at the University of Georgia, the Law School of the University of Chicago, and as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford University.

As a young lawyer, he served on the staff of Justice Jackson at the Nuremberg Trials. Returning to Atlanta he practiced law and after a 14 year legal battle prevailed in establishing the "one man; one vote" principle of American Constitutional Law.

Throughout his life he was active in Education, Civil Rights and International Human Rights, and served as the Chairman of the United Negro College Fund, President of Brandeis University, and on the Boards of Sarah Lawrence and Morehouse Colleges and the Institute of International Education.

He was involved in community affairs as President of the American Jewish Committee (1963-1968); Chairman of the National Conference of Soviet Jewry (1983-1988); and Chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations (1986-1989).

Honorary degrees were bestowed upon him by Davidson College, Emory University, Yeshiva University and Hebrew Union College.
 

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I'm not saying these people aren't well educated. If you scratch the surface its pretty clear they have a pro-Jewish, pro-Zionist bent. Even G's reference hints at it. Read the last few lines.

President of the American Jewish Committee (1963-196:cool:; Chairman of the National Conference of Soviet Jewry (1983-198:cool:; and Chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations (1986-1989).

Honorary degrees were bestowed upon him by Davidson College, Emory University, Yeshiva University and Hebrew Union College.


Definitely a step up from Middle East Forum or Jihad Watch.

The UN Watch is more like a Jewish version of this group:

The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation
(OIC; Arabic: منظمة التعاون الإسلامي‎; French: Organisation de la Coopération Islamique, OCI)[a 1] is an international organisation consisting of 57 member states. The organisation attempts to be the collective voice of the Muslim world and to safeguard the interests and ensure the progress and well-being of its member countries in an atmosphere of international peace.[1]

The OIC has a permanent delegation to the United Nations.


Except its pretty clear who Organisation of Islamic Cooperation represents by their name unlike the American Jewish Committee (AJC) when they pretend to be an objective under the name "UN Watch". They are a UN lobby group who represents the interests of Jews. Nothing wrong with that, only don't claim a Jewish Lobby group is objective..
 
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I'm not saying these people aren't well educated. If you scratch the surface its pretty clear they have a pro-Jewish, pro-Zionist bent. Even G's reference hints at it. Read the last few lines.

President of the American Jewish Committee (1963-196:cool:; Chairman of the National Conference of Soviet Jewry (1983-198:cool:; and Chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations (1986-1989).

Honorary degrees were bestowed upon him by Davidson College, Emory University, Yeshiva University and Hebrew Union College.


Definitely a step up from Middle East Watch. More like this group:

The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation
(OIC; Arabic: منظمة التعاون الإسلامي‎; French: Organisation de la Coopération Islamique, OCI)[a 1] is an international organisation consisting of 57 member states. The organisation attempts to be the collective voice of the Muslim world and to safeguard the interests and ensure the progress and well-being of its member countries in an atmosphere of international peace.[1]

The OIC has a permanent delegation to the United Nations.


Except its pretty clear who this group represents from their name.

Reason I posted the complete profile- Shows your bias- You went to the one thing that stands out for you. Not what the man did over a lifetime

So anyone that is Jewish is incapable of being impartial- Ask the Negro College that same question-
You have again proven that any contact, any person that is Jewish cannot meet your so called standards of impartiality. Study the man before posting such drivel please. 1 exception would be the South Africa judge who ruled on a case and it was against Israeli he was a hero - After he was able to review all materials he changed his ruling. Then he was nothing but a Zionist. And I am being polite as i recall the names he was labelled with.

A native of Georgia, Ambassador Abram was educated at the University of Georgia, the Law School of the University of Chicago, and as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford University.

As a young lawyer, he served on the staff of Justice Jackson at the Nuremberg Trials. Returning to Atlanta he practiced law and after a 14 year legal battle prevailed in establishing the "one man; one vote" principle of American Constitutional Law.

Throughout his life he was active in Education, Civil Rights and International Human Rights, and served as the Chairman of the United Negro College Fund, President of Brandeis University, and on the Boards of Sarah Lawrence and Morehouse Colleges and the Institute of International Education.

FindLaw | Cases and Codes

http://www.history.ucsb.edu/projects/labor/documents/SmithOUPUncorrectedProof.pdf
 

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Could be. That would be highly impressive, being able to apply rocket science to a fully operational munitions factory, smelting their own parts, in an open air prison no better than the Warsaw Ghetto. Imagine what they could do if they would apply that ingenuity and resourcefullness to something more positive than killing Jews and perpetuating war.

If Gaza is Warsaw Ghetto who is Nazis?
 

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Goobs

It must suck to have to suffer from white guilt and have it cloud your moral judgement.

My culture suffered from two attempted genocides in the last century. 16 Milion more than those pesky Joos but I don't blame any of you.

Tomorrow is Holodomor Memorial Day, you're in Edmonchuck, I guarantee there will be a gathering and no doubt collections for your local foodbank.

Make sure you attend.
 

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Genocide?
Yes.

No.

You do realize that Palestinian casualties vastly outnumber those of Israeli's?
Irrelevant.

So when you speak about pro-Palestinian genocidal supporters you just look like an incredible moron right?
We were talking about you?

Four or five sports fans make a majority?
You're a sports fan, you aren't in the majority though.

Netanyahu himself ordered the killing last week of the Hamas military chief, Ahmed al-Jaabari, to provoke a confrontation.



UN Watch is affiliated with the American Jewish Committee (AJC). In the 1970s, AJC spearheaded the fight to pass anti-boycott legislation to counter the Arab League boycott of Israel. In particular, Japan's defection[8] from the boycott was attributed to AJC persuasion. In 1975, AJC became the first Jewish organization to campaign against the UN's "Zionism is Racism" resolution, a campaign that finally succeeded in 1991. AJC played a leading role in breaking Israel's diplomatic isolation at the UN by helping it gain acceptance in WEOG (West Europe and Others), one of the UN's five regional groups.

I'm not saying they are 100% liars... just that people should know who they are.
Ignoring the fact that when the ISM is caught associating with a known terrorist group, you bend over backwards to defend them. UN Watch has more credibility than any ten sites you cut and paste from.

And if they are deceptive about who they are, how reliable is their information?
They're deceptive about who they are?

I bet they aren't anywhere near as deceptive as that deceptive and manipulated smear job you just conjured up, lol.

Here's UN Watch's wikipage...

Better yet, here's there "About Us" page...

Here's a quote from their mission and history...

UN Watch is a non-governmental organization based in Geneva whose mandate is to monitor the performance of the United Nations by the yardstick of its own Charter. UN Watch was established in 1993 under the Chairmanship of Ambassador Morris B. Abram, the former U.S. Permanent Representative to the United Nations in Geneva. UN Watch participates actively at the UN as an accredited NGO in Special Consultative Status to the UN Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) and as an Associate NGO to the UN Department of Public Information (DPI). UN Watch is affiliated with the American Jewish Committee (AJC).

It's pretty hard to be deceptive about your affiliations, when you broadcast your affiliations on your own web page.

Your dishonesty, lies and propaganda know no bounds.
 
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