Feds green light naked scanners

Dexter Sinister

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But that is all we can do, Dexter.
I don't think that's true. We rely too much on technological solutions and don't pay enough attention to subtleties of human behavior and the information we already have about real and suspected terrorists. The Israelis, as prime targets for this sort of attack, have focused much more on those aspects, and seem to be doing a pretty good job.
 

Spade

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Okay, let's be reactive.

Let's react to the idea that his father reported him as suspicious to US authorities, but nothing happened.
Let's react to the idea that apparently, his name was supposed to be on a no-fly list, but if it was, nothing happened.
Let's react to the idea that he obviously wasn't screened or searched very well.

And let's react to that by implementing another layer of expensive, intrusive security.

It's like the Liberal's solution to everything: just add another layer of bureaucracy.

I agree with everything you say, except I believe we have a Conservative government.
 

Tonington

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I don't think that's true. We rely too much on technological solutions and don't pay enough attention to subtleties of human behavior and the information we already have about real and suspected terrorists. The Israelis, as prime targets for this sort of attack, have focused much more on those aspects, and seem to be doing a pretty good job.

Did you see that El Al representative on CBC? He said essentially the same thing. We don't need expensive technology, we need well trained security personnel. Maybe they need to post the equivalent of wanted posters inside the airports when they get information about folks like this panty bomber. His dad seems like a pretty credible source, FFS!
 

damngrumpy

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An over reaction? The reason we have no one captured is because terrorists have
for the most part not been able to find a way to get on board. Its a good thing to
prevent these idiots from boarding a plane with bombs. I don't care if the put me
through the system, as long as they get me to the other end safely. My problem is
the governments are trying to be so inclusive. We know the groups primarily who
are attempting to kill civilians, they are called Muslims a religion, we know is
violent and without conscience, and dedicated to dominate the world. Profile them
to the ends of the earth, in the meantime scan everyone.
 

JLM

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Huge waste of money. They will just do something different like blow up cruise ships or movie theatres.
 

Tonington

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We know the groups primarily who
are attempting to kill civilians, they are called Muslims a religion, we know is
violent and without conscience, and dedicated to dominate the world. Profile them
to the ends of the earth, in the meantime scan everyone.

As Dex said, they aren't stupid. What does a Muslim look like anyways?



Will this sign work?
 

Dexter Sinister

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Did you see that El Al representative on CBC? He said essentially the same thing.
No I didn't, wish I had, but I watch so little tv I miss most things like that. I read the Globe&Mail every day though, and it's reported several times recently on this in some detail, and cited several Israeli security people as sources.
 

SirJosephPorter

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I don't think that's true. We rely too much on technological solutions and don't pay enough attention to subtleties of human behavior and the information we already have about real and suspected terrorists. The Israelis, as prime targets for this sort of attack, have focused much more on those aspects, and seem to be doing a pretty good job.

That is all true, and perhaps more attention should be paid to the human factor. However, as far as technology is concerned, all we can do is be reactive.
 

mt_pockets1000

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Great. Now I can only wait until some creepy security person starts flashing around scans of my 12" Johnson. :lol:

The Taliban and Al Kyda must be laughing their faces off at us. They certainly have terrorized us completely. At least the airline industry anyway. By the way, has anyone noticed the number of Muslims manning the security gates at the airport? No wonder these freaks are getting onto planes with explosives strapped to their bodies.

They're already here people. Get used to it.

Sleeper....:sleepy1:....KABOOM!:blob6: Coming to a neighborhood near you.
 

Niflmir

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Anyone remember this little piece of history? I am going to change a few words to make it more colloquial.

In summary, we have here a political force committed fanatically to the belief that with US there can be no permanent modus vivendi that it is desirable and necessary that the internal harmony of our society be disrupted, our traditional way of life be destroyed, the international authority of our state be broken, if terrorist power is to be secure. This political force has complete power of disposition over energies of one of world's greatest peoples and resources of world's richest national territory, and is borne along by deep and powerful currents of terrorism. In addition, it has an elaborate and far flung apparatus for exertion of its influence in other countries, an apparatus of amazing flexibility and versatility, managed by people whose experience and skill in underground methods are presumably without parallel in history. Finally, it is seemingly inaccessible to considerations of reality in its basic reactions. For it, the vast fund of objective fact about human society is not, as with us, the measure against which outlook is constantly being tested and re-formed, but a grab bag from which individual items are selected arbitrarily and tendentiously to bolster an outlook already preconceived. This is admittedly not a pleasant picture. Problem of how to cope with this force in [is] undoubtedly greatest task our diplomacy has ever faced and probably greatest it will ever have to face. It should be point of departure from which our political general staff work at present juncture should proceed. It should be approached with same thoroughness and care as solution of major strategic problem in war, and if necessary, with no smaller outlay in planning effort. I cannot attempt to suggest all answers here. But I would like to record my conviction that problem is within our power to solve--and that without recourse to any general military conflict.. And in support of this conviction there are certain observations of a more encouraging nature I should like to make:

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(3) Much depends on health and vigor of our own society. World terrorism is like malignant parasite which feeds only on diseased tissue. This is point at which domestic and foreign policies meets Every courageous and incisive measure to solve internal problems of our own society, to improve self-confidence, discipline, morale and community spirit of our own people, is a diplomatic victory over the terrorists worth a thousand diplomatic notes and joint communiqués. If we cannot abandon fatalism and indifference in face of deficiencies of our own society, they will profit--terrorists cannot help profiting by them in its foreign policies.


(4) We must formulate and put forward for other nations a much more positive and constructive picture of sort of world we would like to see than we have put forward in past. It is not enough to urge people to develop political processes similar to our own. Many foreign peoples, in Europe at least, are tired and frightened by experiences of past, and are less interested in abstract freedom than in security. They are seeking guidance rather than responsibilities. We should be better able than terrorists to give them this. And unless we do, terrorists certainly will.


(5) Finally we must have courage and self-confidence to cling to our own methods and conceptions of human society. After Al, the greatest danger that can befall us in coping with this problem of terrorism, is that we shall allow ourselves to become like those with whom we are coping.


KENNAN

Well, attitudes sure have changed.
 

darkbeaver

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I don't think that's true. We rely too much on technological solutions and don't pay enough attention to subtleties of human behavior and the information we already have about real and suspected terrorists. The Israelis, as prime targets for this sort of attack, have focused much more on those aspects, and seem to be doing a pretty good job.

Prime targets or prime suspects? You even complete the circle in your comment,problem + solution=profit. Terrorism is their business.
 
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justinmb

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personally I have no issues if they want to scan me, the issue I have is that we are becoming numb the intrusiveness of the Government and as many have said this will stop nothing and the last could have been avoided if the US did their job in the first place the chances of being blown up in a plane are smaller than almost any other way to die so I find it highly unfounded there are other easier ways to blow something up or create terror.

If we alow this to continue then they have already won.

Just a thought we should get china involved in this fight I am quite sure it would end it much quicker they do not worry about such political correctness the problem I guess would be stopping them there so its probably a bad idea.
 

Avro

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I dont have a problem with them if it makes the skys safe from cowards that want to kill innocent people in the name of their god because were considered infidels in their religion.

Cowards?

They are many things but getting on a plane and blowing yourself up dosen't sound like the work of a coward.
 

countryboy

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Cowards?

They are many things but getting on a plane and blowing yourself up dosen't sound like the work of a coward.

No, getting on a plane and blowing yourself up (and everyone else) sounds like the work of an insane SOB.