Chancellor Angela Merkel declares "Multiculturalism has failed"

damngrumpy

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I am all for protectionist policies, it maintains our standard of living and ensures we
maintain good paying jobs. I also believe we have to have laws that ensure the
citizens who live here and have paid the bills are not subject to massive change to
accommodate newcomers. I for example should not be forced to give up my old
traditions because they may offend someone. I do not have a problem with people
coming here as long as they want to fit into our society. When company comes to
visit I am a good host but I won't let people take over my house and make a bunch
of new rules.
Multiculturalism in its purest sense does not work, its unfortunate but it is true.
 

captain morgan

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People seeking low-paid jobs in other nations are not guilty of exploitation of anyone; they are simply fulfilling a useful role in the nation that required their labour. Any nation that imports people and uses them as a source of cheap labour and then expels them whenever they become inconvenient is guilty of exploitation of those people; especially when many of them have been in the country for several decades without being offered citizenship.


The antithesis of your statement applies equally as well. The workers exploited a niche in the labour market on an opportunistic basis that exclusively fulfilled their individual needs. The communities wherein they lived and worked provided them with a higher standard of living, access to the social services and the other benefits that are offered.

They left their communities for a reason, further, those communities are in their present state/condition as a result of the cultural practices within that community. In this example, Germany does not have a singular competitive advantage over most of their neighbours in terms of location or natural resources... Their advantage that has kept them at the top of the global heap in many sectors is directly linked to the cultural norms associated with its citizens.



Forcing people desperate for work into some sort of legal limbo for decades is hardly conducive to helping them become a full part of the society to which they emmigrated. In fact there are hundreds of thousands of second and third generation migrants to Germany who have fully integrated in spite of legal restrictions imposed upon them. They speak German, read German, listen to Western music, and participate fully in many other aspects of German culture. To call multiculturalism in Germany a failure so far as these migrants are concerned is nonsense. They are German in every respect except their religion and physical appearance. If they build mosques so what? That hardly undermines mainstream German culture.


I believe, albeit from the outside looking in, that part of the beef is with the practice that these groups are importing the foundations of the previous existence (ie. Turkey) at the expense of the overall German culture... It's one thing to preserve, maintain, honour and respect your individual traditions (ie importing your own culture) but I'm guessing that it is in a manner that in itself, segregates them from the (German) community at large.

This is not assimilation on the part of the immigrant community its a quite specific and deliberate straddeling of the fence.
 

petros

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When white people start applying for Tim Horton's jobs then Tim's will start hiring whites.

Funny how that works.
 

Spade

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2 of the most non inclusive countries in Europe - having worked with quite a few of both I found from personal experience a high degree of Racism in both peoples.

Many Brits, at least in the past, had wish-we-were-an-empire-again syndrome. Exhibited surprising xenophobia considering they are a mix of Roman legionnaires, Celts, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Scandinavians, French, Spanish, Polish exiles, various Slavs, and a sprinkling of Indians and Africans. to name but a few!
 

gopher

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2 of the most non inclusive countries in Europe - having worked with quite a few of both I found from personal experience a high degree of Racism in both peoples.

Ironically, neither had a problem with imposing their brand of multiculturalism when they invaded African or Asian countries.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Interesting how quickly Hitler and the Nazis were referenced in this discussion, and I've always figured that when that happens, meaningful conversation is over, it's the ultimate conversation stopper to characterize those you disagree with as Nazis. The real reason multiculturalism failed in Germany is because Germany never tried it and Ms. Merkel is now pretending it did, in order to score other points with the disgruntled and ignorant. She really knows better, I'm sure, she's not stupid. But a lot of voters are.
 

YukonJack

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Hopefully, there will be a Canadian politician with enough guts to agree with Angela Merkel. What is true in Germany is equally true in Canada: Multi-culturalism is an abject failure.
 

Cliffy

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Hopefully, there will be a Canadian politician with enough guts to agree with Angela Merkel. What is true in Germany is equally true in Canada: Multi-culturalism is an abject failure.
Jack, are you not from another culture? Are you saying that you have not assimilated into Canadian culture, that you are one of the reasons multiculturalism doesn't work?
 

petros

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Jack, are you not from another culture? Are you saying that you have not assimilated into Canadian culture, that you are one of the reasons multiculturalism doesn't work?
He assimilated into American "culture" whatever the hell that is. But are we really different?

Culture evolves and changes and is never static.

It is a either a fiction created through marketing or it is someone eles's fiction force upon you by war.
 

geiseric

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"Merkel said allowing people of different cultural backgrounds to live side by side without integrating had not worked"

Why the hell should it? That's not mutliculturalism, it's laziness. Around these parts immigrants are expected and encouraged to learn English as part of their integration (as opposed to "melting pot" assimilation) and government is expected to facilitate it. That learning German is somehow controversial tells me loud and clear Germany's idea of multiculturalism and Canada's are totally different animals.
 

petros

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Is it easier and cheaper to to teach Canadian kids to read and write english than it is to teach an immigrant?