Is a fetus a Human being?
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My grandson was born around 22-23 weeks. 3 months premature. He has cerebral palsy. He is a tad behind other kids his age. He will never walk and at the moment he only has partial use of his hands. He talks but he has a high palate so sometimes he is difficult to understand - especially for strangers. He goes to school even though he is on a modified program. He fully understands what is going on around him and he doesn't like to be left out. He starts grade 7 in September. He brings major joy to our family along with his brother and sister and his cousins. I'm taking him and his brother and sister camping in the morning. Wheelchair and all. I expect we'll have a great time. He loves the pool so we'll go swimming. Not all children are as lucky as him and not all parents/grandparents are as lucky as we are. He weighed only 2 pounds, 1 ounce on his birthdate. His little fingers were so tiny he didn't even cover in his Dad's thumb when he held it in those first few weeks. He's been through some terrible times and he has more to go through but - we hope that the final result will be all up hill from here.
VanIsle- S.J. made that statement in post #221. I get the impression he feels the "mother's rights" supercede all other considerations. My opinion differs slightly in that I question that right where the mother and fetus are healthy.
Why is this an issue? It really shouldn't be. If you are against it, don't get an abortion. But don't walk around trying to tell people what they can and can not do with their own bodies. My sperm is filled with DNA, and all it requires me to do is not pull out...but i do...does that make me some sort of abortion doctor? This issue is a personal one and that is the bottom line. We live in a free society, where people have rights, the right to try to have a baby, and the right to not have a baby. And sorry, but just because you have a beliefe, you can't impose it one everyone else.
Besides, aren't you people more concerned about the thousands who are dead from a fake an unjust war, men who are proven "human", who can talk who have worked hard and given up everything to their country. Instread you are pissed off about someone being allowed to cancel last nights drunken mistake? Sanctity of life is complete and utter bull ****. Look at what your government (mostly american) does on a daily basis. So far almost 1million civilions have been killed in Iraq. Goood ol' sanctity of life.
Besides, aren't you people more concerned about the thousands who are dead from a fake an unjust war, men who are proven "human", who can talk who have worked hard and given up everything to their country. Instread you are pissed off about someone being allowed to cancel last nights drunken mistake? Sanctity of life is complete and utter bull ****. Look at what your government (mostly american) does on a daily basis. So far almost 1million civilions have been killed in Iraq. Goood ol' sanctity of life.
There are some of us that are concerned about the unjust deaths of all persons. Why are you just concerned about the deaths from an "unjust" war?
Because people need to realize that on this issue there can be no debate. Its is not your place to tell a woman what she can and can not do with their body. And there also seems to be this notion that it is a normal procedure that people just do. It is a huge decision that is never taken lightly by any woman. I'm just tired of religious groups (in this case its not 100% religious groups but it is the majority) telling people what they can and can not do. Reproduction is personal. If I ejaculate into a rag I am killing potential life. The sperm is alive, it has an agenda, it has dna, it is destined to be human. It merely has to reach the egg. But it still isnt a human yet, there are still more processes to go through. So if abortion is wrong (in the early stages), im also wrong for having sex with a condom or masturbating because i am denying POTENTIAL life.
Wrong,on so many levels. I am not telling a woman what she can do with her body. She is free to do what she wants with that, but, if she choses to have sex and then get's pregnant, I am saying she does not have the right to kill that baby. Once she is pregnant we are not talking about just HER body, but are talking about a baby's life also.
Why is her "comfort" more important than anothers life?
Because a zygote i don't believe qualifies as a human yet. it is a biological process. I would agree that past a certain stage yes, it is then about a baby and the mother has to respect that and maybe think about putting the child up for adoption if she really can't fulfill her role as a mother. But we can't pull each other over to the other side, this is a very polarized issue that is more about personal belief. So lets try something else, before we just have a yelling/typing match all day, I will pose a question. At what point is a human a human? Are you against something like the morning after pill, where we stamp out the zygote before it worms into anything resembling a fetus?
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If there is risk to the Mother (and I don't know in most cases how anyone would know that right up to birth time) I suppose termination may have to happen. If it is known right away that the fetus is gravely ill then I believe the pregnancy should be terminated. Again - if the mother has been raped and feels she cannot handle raising the child or caring the child she should not have to. If a woman has simply been careless, it is up to her to carry her child to term.
Sorry, but some women do take it lightly.
National Abortion Federation: Women Who Have Abortions
Contraception failure? I don't want the responsibility? I can't afford it? Seems pretty frivolous to me. Having an hour of fun before getting preggers is sure worth the life of a baby, the grief the mother goes through while deciding to abort, the physical and emotional trauma of the abortion, etc.
I say to these women, "Girl, shut up. And if you want sex without getting pregnant, use more than one type of contraception".
I agree pretty much.
Except for the rape part. There's always adoption. I can imagine there are those that would adopt in spite of the child being the offspring of a rapist. People adopt kids that are severely disabled.
Never thought this would happen.........:lol::lol::lol:, even you make sense once in a blue moon but yeah it's amazing how many people are so thick as to not be able to understand (or maybe don't want to) a simple concept. It doesn't matter what you call it, it will eventually be a live human being and arguing about terminology is just plain stupid.
1. I'm opposed to unjust wars too.
2. The rights argument goes both ways. Should a baby lose its right to life just because society believes that the mother reserves the right to terminate it? So what about the baby who could be born any day? Do we reserve the right to reach in and snap its neck because the mother doesn't want it? What's the difference between that and after he's born?
Well exactly, I've generally been a person to try to mind his own business when it comes to other people's affairs, but I feel we are on a slippery slope with this one. There valid reasons for abortions- my wife had one 26 years ago, to save her life as a result of a tubal pregnancy. She was treated like a pariah where she had it done- Catholic run hospital on Vancouver Island. Anyway I have to consider my own conscience and whether I want to be part of a society that sanctions the termination of a human because of someone's convenience or lack of planning. We'll think nothing of spending $100000 to keep an 80 year old person with all organs and the brain failing, alive..........where's the justice?