Zimmerman NOT guilty

EagleSmack

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Sometimes my soccer team of 40-somethings will play kids 17 or 18, and there is no way they are as strong as us. Or think about why defencemen in the NHL take so long to to develop--they just don't have the strength at 18 to compete.

I get that. But at 6'2 185 he would be able to compete.

Strap on the pads at 40 something with the local HS football team and see how you do. See how you feel the next morning.

Plus if you're playing soccer at 40 something you're a real good athlete. You aren't the norm.
 

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Actually physical condition today has more to do with the individual than the age. Today I would say if you take the age group from 15-60 about 2/3 of them are all in pathetic shape, no muscle tone, grossly over weight, can't process much oxygen for two main reasons, too much couch time and too many labour saving tools. The 1/3 that are in good shape are that way for two reasons, there are still a very few labour demanding job and there are some athletes or athletic people who make a point of getting regular strenuous exercise. But there are exceptions to every rule so it's not smart to second guess someone and pick a fight.
 

karrie

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My son is 11.... couch potatoe... video gamer. He outgrew me height-wise more than 3 months ago (not a huge feat, I'm 5'2"), but, a small amount of wood chopping, a minor amount of chores, and honestly JLM, I'd put money on him in a fight against most of you guys any day.
 

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My son is 11.... couch potatoe... video gamer. He outgrew me height-wise more than 3 months ago (not a huge feat, I'm 5'2"), but, a small amount of wood chopping, a minor amount of chores, and honestly JLM, I'd put money on him in a fight against most of you guys any day.

That's what I just said, you don't second guess any individual when it comes to a fight..........a person with good fighting skills can finish you off in 15 seconds before it even becomes a matter of stamina or endurance.
 

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"Probably" is a stistical term, implying the judgement could be wrong.

Personally, to me it looks like something closer to judgement-by-technicality... you now, like the time Canada let go a guy for having bombed Air India, by virtue of a technicality, even though $120 million was spent researching the "probability" of his guilt.

It makes me do a trillion miles of internal phylosophizing about whether or not we can work as a Democracy when those dumbed down by advertizing into Gamma and Beta levels of thinking get a vote, but it does bring back one little memory from the time my social-studies teacher had me talk to a Judge as part of a course assignment (got to do it in his-honour's chambers, when I was only in high school)...

... The Judge said...

"It's better to let go nine guilty people than to convict one who's innocent".
 

JLM

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"Probably" is a stistical term, implying the judgement could be wrong.

Personally, to me it looks like something closer to judgement-by-technicality... you now, like the time Canada let go a guy for having bombed Air India, by virtue of a technicality, even though $120 million was spent researching the "probability" of his guilt.

It makes me do a trillion miles of internal phylosophizing about whether or not we can work as a Democracy when those dumbed down by advertizing into Gamma and Beta levels of thinking get a vote, but it does bring back one little memory from the time my social-studies teacher had me talk to a Judge (got to do it in his chambers, and I was only in High School)...

... The Judge said...

"It's better to let go nine guilty people than to convict one who's innocent".

Exactly, in this world there is very seldom a 100% chance of anything, that is the main reason we don't hang people. In this case I don't know what happened and from what I've read no one else does either, so if we are going from what we've read, then the verdict was the right one (given the circumstances) but of course it could also be the wrong one were all the facts known. Probably not a very satisfactory conclusion.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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So Rachel said it... a defense witness... who was on the phone with Martin before the altercation... and did not witness the altercation.

Case closed I guess.
Yep. I say that the issue was key to the outcome, and should have been examined much more closely, and you decide that it's "case closed."

I love your reinterpretations of my points.

My son is 11.... couch potatoe... video gamer. He outgrew me height-wise more than 3 months ago (not a huge feat, I'm 5'2"), but, a small amount of wood chopping, a minor amount of chores, and honestly JLM, I'd put money on him in a fight against most of you guys any day.
Preferably not in a shoot-to-kill. . . er, I mean stand-your-ground state.
 

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Yep. I say that the issue was key to the outcome, and should have been examined much more closely, and you decide that it's "case closed."

I love your reinterpretations of my points.

Maybe I should have highlighted "Case closed I guess" in purple. It denotes sarcasm in here.


Preferably not in a shoot-to-kill. . . er, I mean stand-your-ground state.

What did the Stand your Ground Law have to do with the case?
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Maybe I should have highlighted "Case closed I guess" in purple. It denotes sarcasm in here.




What did the Stand your Ground Law have to do with the case?
It doesn't. It has to do with karrie's post about her son being able to take most men in a fight.

Here's a hint. When I quote a post, then respond to it, that's a pretty good indication that I'm responding to the post I quoted.

Hope that helps.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Hmmm... it must have been a simple coincidence.

Maybe so. But to answer your question, I hereby officially inform you that I am aware that the Florida Stand Your Ground Act was not at issue in The People v. George Zimmerman. I am aware that Zimmerman did not assert the defense, and that there was no hearing on the applicability of the law to the case.

Hope that helps.
 

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No one said he didn't understand right from wrong. And no, it's not just about a private citizen carrying a gun. It's about a private citizen carrying a gun AND looking to enforce the law. See, if you carry a gun, and go about your day, that's one thing. But if you grab your gun, and go out at night looking for criminals, that's a completely different issue. You are tuned into trouble, you are looking for it, which means you are bound to see it where it isn't necessarily. If you believe in your gut that Trayvon was a criminal at heart, like some have stated, then I guess you can applaud Zimmerman. But he didn't have the kid's id. He didn't have his twitter feed. He didn't know him from a hole in the ground. And still he decided that he was a criminal because he was 'looking at houses'.

While it might be the point of view of some that we should all close our curtains, call the cops then mind our bees wax, I do not subscribe to that school of thought. George Zimmerman was not playing cop, he was following a suspiscious character that was walking through a gated community while communicating the situation to police. He was informed that he should break off the pursuit, which he did and was ambushed by this young man.

I can absolutely, unequivocally state that never should neighbourhood watch be walking alone through the neighbourhood at night, unmarked, armed, and tracking people down for 'looking at houses'. Never. Not in their community, not in mine, not in yours, and I know for a fact that you're smart enough to have never put yourself and Martin in the precarious position Zimmerman put them both in that night. And if you did, here in Canada, you'd be in jail right now. There's no excuse for that kind of targeting. No reason to expect that a teenage boy should know he's being targeted as a criminal at 1:30 in the morning for walking home. No reason to expect that Zimmerman held any kind of credibility, or was anything but a threat, in the way he was following him.
If George Zimmeman had been raped would that he be his fault as well. Everyone has been sucking down this kool aid that George Zimmerman went out hunting with intent to kill because he had a gun. Quite frankly, that's a load of hooey. George Zimmerman was the victim of an assault and was forced to take the life of a young man who broke his nose and smashed his head off the concrete. There has been a hell of a lot of dishonesty surrounding this case. First of all we have the dishonesty of the media, editing 911 calls to frame Zimmerman up and some kind of racist. And of course they portrayed him as white man with a gun who shot a poor defenseless young fellow who was just out getting some skittles. Heck, half these ignoramuses wearing their P_ssy A$$ Cracker Shirts are still buying that load of crap. The photos of Zimmermans injuries were withheld by the prosecution, because let's face it, unless you're frigging blind. it kind of deflates the whole Trayvon was just some sweet varsity football player on his way back from buying skittles no doubt en-route to read to the blind or give blood or serve food to the homeless down at the Sally Ann.

The fact that people seem to miss that is terrifying to me. The fact that they will continue to think it's okay to grab a gun, and go out into the night alone, unidentified, untrained, and looking for bad guys, is a scary prospect unless you are dead certain that no one you love or care about could be mistaken for 'bad'.
Again with the gun. We don't have the same carry permits they have in the States. But that aside, had Zimmerman not had a gun, maybe one more knock off the curb would have killed him. It's not that you know. I was told an inch to the right when my son was beaten unconscious and I'd be visiting his grave.

Should people on neighborhood watch work in groups? Sure. Have I ever gone out after someone I deemed suspect. Yep. By myself. Sometimes we do things and later reflect as to whether it was correct or not. I'm sure George Zimmerman will think about tyhis the rest of his life, long after the rabid frothing at the mouth idiots take off their Tshirts and find a new victim to paint with a scarlet letter.

Oh best I end this with a smiley. :)
 

Tecumsehsbones

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While it might be the point of view of some that we should all close our curtains, call the cops then mind our bees wax, I do not subscribe to that school of thought. George Zimmerman was not playing cop, he was following a suspiscious character that was walking through a gated community while communicating the situation to police. He was informed that he should break off the pursuit, which he did and was ambushed by this young man.
Just out of curiosity, why do you think Martin was a "suspicious character?"
 

karrie

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Yeah we are not going to see eye to eye on this. Everyone is suspicious in someone's eyes. Looking wrong to someone else should not warrant being followed around. Neighbourhood watch when done properly has a potential to really protect a neighbourhood. When done wrong, it has the potential to strip the people who live there of their rights, and their safety.