Zimbabwe...no end to the power struggle!

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Look how good Cindy is doing these days. She was stomped by Pelosi and completely shunned by Democrats after they used her to sweep the GOP congress from office. She was used up and put away by the Liberals.
And from Republicans?
No wonder, Morgan Tswangirai seems also to have no time for civil righs groups in Zimbabwe.
I've got the impression, that like blood thirsty dictators for Latin and South America, strongest savers of Mugabe in power are trained and sent and instructed by USA, whether you name the chameleon Prof Moyo or the Prof Mutambara, former finance minister Makoni or anyone, who wanted to get a better job. A mathematician who studied in USA could lead a university in Zimbabwe, while one who studied behind the iron curtain could go counting mealie meal bags. That was since 1980 so. OK, before 1980 one would go to prison for terrorism, since obviously having talked occasionally with the one or the other original Soviet Block communist.
The election theatre in the neighbourhood Hesse showed similar untouchable stances towards the new Left party. OK, as result there will come additional elections beginning next year. This way of new presidential elections under robust control of UN and international spectators suggests President Ian Khama for Zimbabwe and he denies rumours, the diamond giant Botswana would give Zimbabwean youth military training. He is close ally to Obama.
 

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Look how good Cindy is doing these days. She was stomped by Pelosi and completely shunned by Democrats after they used her to sweep the GOP congress from office. She was used up and put away by the Liberals.
I didn't follow Cindy's path too much, just remember her camping out at Bush' ranch some years ago. No matter whether she made it to Congress or not, I admire her much. Being poor, honest and uneducated didn't exactly help. Too many of her status didn't get up off their couches. It would take masses of the little people to rock the boat, and for that America isn't ready yet. Why didn't Jimmy Carter throw his weight behind her, or did he?
 

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It's been a while...

The news is full with the Annan and Carter story of being rejected by Mugabe to enter his country. Mugabe says, they have to make an apppointment first!!
Mr. Mugabe’s decision to forbid a humanitarian visit by Mr. Carter, former United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan and Graça Machel, Nelson Mandela’s wife, was a measure of the Zimbabwean leader’s disdain for international opinion at a time when deepening hunger, raging hyperinflation and the collapse of health, sanitation and education services have crippled Zimbabwe.
I dislike it too, when people visit unannounced and I'm not assembled yet!:roll: How much more Mugabe would be embarrassed having these honorable people snoop around in his "house/land"! Not that they would find anything embarrassing to him, but still... the nerve these people have!(I'm being sarcastic!)

Zimbabwe’s foreign minister was quoted in the state media Sunday saying authorities had only asked Mr. Annan and his colleagues to postpone their trip and accusing Mr. Annan of misrepresenting the government’s position.
Mr. Carter and Mr. Annan, as well as Mrs. Mandela, are said to be:... “personalities deemed hostile to Zimbabwe.” Meanwhile we have a human catastrophe happening.
“It seems obvious to me that leaders of the government are immune to reaching out for help for their own people,” Mr. Carter said at a news conference in Johannesburg.
Luckily, the people don't have to deal with snow and minus 15C on top of not having enough to eat.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/world/africa/23zimbabwe.html
 

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Maybe this is the preferred way for those that have an interest over there.
The money goes to a few, who spend most of that money on weapons and cause an intention shortage of food so the country can get foreign aid . those shipments go to the leaders (stolen or hijacked, usually as soon as they hit the wharfs),and the people get zip.

"Zimbabwe produced an estimated 9779 t of nickel in 2004 and 9 516 t in 2003 a 0% change from the year before. Cobalt production was estrimated at 78.55 t in 2003. Among the base metals exploited in Zimbabwe, nickel predominates in terms of value. With two operational nickel smelting and refining facilities and favourable geological conditions for the existence of nickel deposits investment into this area is being encouraged. Cobalt is produced as a by-product of nickel production.
Anglo American owns 53% of the Bindura Nickel Corporation (BNC) which consists of four mines, a smelter and refinery facilities. The Trojan mine has an expected life of mine of 14 years, whilst the Shangani and Madziwa mines have lives of five years and two years respectively, with the Epoch mine closed down in 1998 as well as the Madziwa which closed down at the end of 2000. The Trojan shaft has been deepened providing ore reserves until at least 2007. Resources below shaft bottom could extend the mine’s life until 2020, depending on economic viability."


Cobalt is interesting, it is used in every cell-phone ever made if I remember correctly.

Those metals would be a lot more expensive if the whole population was to benefit from the sale of these resources.
 

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Maybe this is the preferred way for those that have an interest over there.
The money goes to a few, who spend most of that money on weapons and cause an intentional shortage of food, so the country can get foreign aid. Those shipments go to the leaders (stolen or hijacked, usually as soon as they hit the wharfs),and the people get zip.
I'm not sure, is there actually aid going into the country? Annan and his companions were going to assess the severity of the situation at the present. They are from the group called "The Elders", formed by Nelson Mandela in 2007 to tackle global problems.

I just found a site that says Zimbabwe's government ordered all humanitarian aid groups to suspend their operations in the deeply impoverished nation, a prohibition that relief agencies estimate will deprive two million people of food aid and other basic assistance. Even CARE, the largest aid group, was barred from providing humanitarian aid in the country, accusing it of siding with the political opposition.

It makes me wonder, if Mugabe isn't suffering from some mental illness, like paranoia, obsession with power and disassociation from the suffering of his own people, of which he is the direct cause.
Zimbabwe halts aid groups and detains diplomats - International Herald Tribune
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"Zimbabwe produced an estimated 9779 t of nickel in 2004 and 9 516 t in 2003 a 0% change from the year before.

Cobalt production was estimated at 78.55 t in 2003. Among the base metals exploited in Zimbabwe, nickel predominates in terms of value....
Anglo American owns 53% of the Bindura Nickel Corporation (BNC) which consists of four mines, a smelter and refinery facilities....
BUT, MHz, they themselves don't have the means to operate successfully such facilities. On top of that Mugabe is hostile towards foreign investment companies, except they come from China or Malaysia.
In recent years, FDI has been
less than US$10 million annually, down from US$300-500
million in the mid-1990s.

He must have something against the Western countries. He likely still harbors hate against the Colonial Powers that exploited his country. That is obvious in his seizing all the "White" farms and giving them to his political buddies with no farming experience! Although I'm all for Zimbabweans owning their own land instead of being mere servants to foreigners, the land distribution was an ill planned, in many cases corrupt, policy.

Now he also threatens to seize any foreign investment and turn it over to Zimbabwean control:
The Government will consider majority foreign ownership
in high-priority projects, but will also encourage
arrangements for the eventual transfer of majority control
to Zimbabwean interests.


To read more in depth check out this link... Zimbabwe

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Cobalt is interesting, it is used in every cell-phone ever made, if I remember correctly.
Yes, that is interesting! I don't have a cellphone!;-)
So, your cellphone could be made with cobalt from Zimbabwe? :smile:
Those metals would be a lot more expensive if the whole population was to benefit from the sale of these resources.
It seems they don't even have the money to buy the equipment needed to do these explorations themselves.
It's a shame people have to bear the brunt of bad management and rampant corruption and governmental violence.

Check out this website... I didn't know the Victoria Falls were in Zimbabwe!
Zimbabwe (11/0
 

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I did a little looking around, it looks like he's just another insane dictator.
So did I!
Desmond Tutu called him a dictator; Vladimir Putin called him a dictator; and George W. Bush said...

""In Zimbabwe, a discredited dictator presides over food shortages, staggering inflation and harsh repression." "America will continue to support freedom in Zimbabwe and I urge neighbors in the region, including South Africa, to do the same. We look forward to the hour when this nightmare is over and the people of Zimbabwe regain their freedom," he added.

At the United Nations in September, Mugabe, Zimbabwe's sole ruler since independence from Britain in 1980, accused Bush of "rank hypocrisy" for lecturing him on human rights and likened the U.S. Guantanamo Bay prison to a concentration camp.
Bush had criticized Zimbabwe's government as "tyrannical" and an "assault on its people"
in his speech to the U.N. General Assembly.

Reuters AlertNet - Bush: Zimbabwe's Mugabe is "discredited dictator"
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True... Bush/America doesn't wear a clean vest either, and his critique of Mugabe has little weight.

I think the other African Nations who run a functioning democracy should get together and seriously give him an ultimatum, or he gets his last rites read!
 

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I think the other African Nations who run a functioning democracy should get together and seriously give him an ultimatum, or he gets his last rites read!

Currently thats South Africa and Namibia (used to be part of South Africa) and Botswana (who's economy is irevocably linked to South Africa).


There are also a few on the West Coast that are in danger of collapsing, Ghana..Mali, Senegal.

Thats it, out of all the approximately 50 nations on the continent.
 

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Currently thats South Africa and Namibia (used to be part of South Africa) and Botswana (who's economy is irrevocably linked to South Africa).


There are also a few on the West Coast that are in danger of collapsing, Ghana..Mali, Senegal.

Thats it, out of all the approximately 50 nations on the continent.
I guess that leaves the job to Botswana and South Africa. They are anyway facilitating the talks between ZANU and MDC. They just started again today, but Mugabe has nothing but contempt.

Robert Mugabe demands right to cancel Zimbabwe power-sharing deal


The Zimbabwe Situation
(good link with lots more.)

Why are they even bothering with talks?

Last week South Africa withdrew a promised R300 million aid package, because there is no government to give it to!! Even if there was a functioning government, would the aid go where needed? I doubt it!
Motlanthe, who is also the SADC chair, said: "Unless the root cause of the political absence of a legitimate government is solved, the situation will get worse and may implode or collapse."
It's a very grim situation.
South Africa's ruling ANC has announced it is dispatching a fact-finding mission into Zimbabwe soon to assess the desperate situation in the country following the snub of the Elders.
So much hinges on just one man! It is shocking to realize that.
 

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So much hinges on just one man! It is shocking to realize that.
Bob must have good connections behind the curtains. Shouting seems just to be for the gallery. US linked Prof Mutambara (MDC-M) cared with the split to prolong Mugabes power position.



 

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Hi, Data!!!!! So nice to see you here again!!

And what a surprise.... we have new big colorful avatars!!! That's brand new. A Sunday present from Andem!:lol:

Your comic pictures are hilarious! Nothing will kill Mugabe. He is even immune to cholera.
 

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Nothing will kill Mugabe. He is even immune to cholera.
Zimbabwe was known to have hygiene standards of Europe, as it was overtaken from Garfield Todd and the later Smith regime. Water could you drink direct from the pipe without cooking and in restaurants you were served a glass of fresh water for free. But Bob takes people hostage even by neglecting the savage system and old water pipes. I didn't need immunisations during my visits, besides some malaria tablets for the lower river lands. Today it's one failed state with neglected public sector, like many others in Africa. But some elders are still there with the knowledge, it could also go better, much better. And that is the hope for that beautiful country, if only that government wasn't there.
I'm not sure, if only the secret service splits the peoples movements, or if even paid agent of Anglo-Americans play their own politics in that country. People are much concentrated on survival and witness only from time to time, what politicians come up next with.
In Afghanistan or Iraq they also don't have a clue, what they are affecting by straight following their interests agenda, pointing around with the barrel of their gun. What does the Mugabe clique do different? English twist and Hitler moustache. Even Churchill admired Hitler as strict leader, why should not Mugabe?
 

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...Even Churchill admired Hitler as strict leader, why should not Mugabe?
You are right, data... from now on let's admire the guy instead of criticizing him! Maybe that will make him feel good and more inclined to please his people.

You are lucky to have visited there and seen and experienced the living conditions in Z. In contrast, I have nothing but the media reports.

What kind of religion do they have in Z.? Are they Muslims, or Christians because of their strong English influence?

It wouldn't surprise me, if the Anglo-American secret agents were doing their jobs there. But then, what would be their aim?
 

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What kind of religion do they have in Z.? Are they Muslims, or Christians because of their strong English influence?
Half Anglican Church, half Roman Catholic. The 100 churches and sects of the USA are present in each town. People go from on to the other to get some kind of change. Others are strict at their majority church. Natural religious believes are wide spread underground and witchdoctors fill the gap of medical aid in rural areas.
One found even diesel from a rock. She happened to be a small house of the CIO minister. Mugabe identified the fraud and told his minister: "You have smeared something on your back." With sufficient stupidity these guys keep their posts. "The last legislature saw even the most stupid administration in the history of the country." - according to a remark of His Excellency Robert Gabriel Mugabe, revoked from his title "Knight Commander of the Bath" (of the Queen). Such was also the secret behind the absolute and "mystic" power of Hitler towards his administration, generality and the political illiterate masses.
It wouldn't surprise me, if the Anglo-American secret agents were doing their jobs there. But then, what would be their aim?
To look important and spend their money. They are notorious in being not interested, what people of "lower ranks" (natives) they would trample on.

That was also the way, A-Bomb technology sneaked to Pakistan (Dr. Khan). From 9/11 we do not yet know enough, but indications look similar. Obama kept the minister of defence. Does he want to continue the mess of Iraq and Afghanistan/Pakistan/India? May be, Bush was not that bad in his post electoral view and the president elect was only after the White House flat.



Interesting map of Zimbabwe. Black market money dominates.
 
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Mugabe has for the first time admitted that his country is facing a national emergency with a cholera outbreak of epidemic proportions!! Some 600 people are estimated to have died so far of this terrible disease. With hardly any sewer and water facilities in operation, one wonders how people manage their day to day lives.
Mugabe may admit he has a problem, but he also knows whom to blame... the EU sanctions!!!

Calls for Mugabe to leave are mounting! Kenya suggests to send in foreign troops to deal with the humanitarian crisis and bring Mugabe to court for crimes against humanity!!!!
Sounds great! Now do it!!

I have a feeling he won't last past this week.

Zimbabwe News, Headlines and Latest Stories on Yahoo! News
 

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Unfortunately this feeling repeats all two years in opposition circles, followed by a next step down hill. It reminds me partly to GDR developments, despite there was always a mix with positive element. We had no cholera and the status of humans in society you could not yet recognise on the status of their teeth, as it is now more than ever before in the rich FRG. The upper 10% as winner of their wild globalisation managed to spread their facts based feelings to be winners to the half of the society - as feelings (brain wash, political Customer Relationship Management).
So next elections will probably win a right-liberal coalition wile the left and green alternatives fight for crumbs and program formulas, first small in Hesse, on federal level later in autumn. See the picture above with the Bob hanging on power and avoiding the devil. This situation is clearly CIO job in Zimbabwe. Who's job is it in today's Germany?

But not all is so successfully discouraging. Compare GDR Monday demonstrations with that picture from a place in Harare centre, what I know quite well - close to the Parliament and State House.
See people on a dangerous upright walk.



Zimbabwe's Lawyers for Human Rights march to Parliament in Harare Wednesday, Dec. 10, 2008 calling for the release of Jestina Mukoko. Mukoko, director of the Zimbabwe Peace Project, was allegedly abducted by 12 unidentified people last week. Zimbabwean security officials regularly detain, harass and beat opponents of Mugabe's increasingly autocratic rule, although the government denies such allegations. A judge on Tuesday ordered police to investigate Mukoko's disappearance.



New Zimbabwe.com Forums - WEDNESDAYS PICS FROM ZIMBABWE
 
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Just found this. These cars must all get marked with a German swastika. It's all presidential guard and their dogsbodies.



Subject: Breaking News- Cause for Concern

"My sources in Mt Hampden near Harare say a woman middle aged was thrown off a moving HardBoady Nissan truck and she died instantly. The identity of the woman is not known. This happened a few minutes a go and the woman is still at the spot."

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