Zimbabwe...no end to the power struggle!

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That doesn't surprise me. He loves playing games with the opposition.
As with ants and people don't see that in their daily fight for survival and lack of interest to politics. Should all Zimbos with brains are being killed or exiled already?
TSVANGIRAI TOLD "AGREE OR NO PASSPORT"!!! http://newzim.proboards86.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=163087
It doesn't? That surprises me. Is the contract available to the public?
Yes. http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1935
At a press conference in Harare on Thursday Tsvangirai had appealed to the African Union and SADC for immediate assistance. He said: “It is not true to say that we are left with two ministries to negotiate, as any agreement reached on those two particular ministries would have an effect on the allocation of the rest of the ministries. In this regard we have declared a deadlock and therefore the process can not move forward except in the presence of the facilitator.”

He also made an extraordinary disclosure that the signed agreement that had been published, did not include the full details that had been negotiated and signed for.

He said the facilitator had assured the parties that the ‘problem’ would be sorted out and an updated document would be provided to the general public.

Observers say this admission indicates that the MDC had signed under a huge amount of pressure, especially as all issues had not been completely resolved.

One of the controversial aspects of the power sharing agreement is that it did not stipulate who would get which cabinet posts and it did not deal with the sharing of governors. Key issues to do with governance and power.

The Zimbabwe Times reported on Tuesday that Tsvangirai nearly refused to sign the deal a few hours before the signing ceremony but that Mbeki told him: “Heads of states are already here for the signing of this
deal and you say you cannot sign,” putting pressure on Tsvangirai who then felt he had no option.

But with all political parties providing very little information about the deal and the talks, it is impossible to know if this is fact.

Tsvangirai is holding a star rally at Zimbabwe Grounds in Highfield on Sunday and it’s hoped he will explain more about the political deal which Zimbabwean’s had such hope for, but which has delivered nothing.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200810101152.html
Strange, data... very strange. A document should not omit any hidden agreements. That would be a betrayal to the citizens of Zimbabwe.Definitively!
Thabo Mbeki fears as well as Robert Mugabe or any mafia publicity. In the Gorbatchew time glasnost was celebrated, but soon after fixing new power monopols transparency was again considered as trap for fools.
Zimbabwe is now a democracy, at least on paper.Well, if Mugabe doesn't hold himself to what he agreed to in that power sharing contract, then the peiple should protest, but they might be too afraid...
And who would Grace Kwinjeh be? Is there any relevance in connection with this power sharing agreement?
Grace Kwinjeh grew up during Mugabe time and learned in school to believe in him. Around form ten she got more contact to reality by looking for jobs to pay alone for further growing school fees and so she was among founders of the MDC. She became the foreign secretary and was often in Bruxeles. Together with Sekai Holland she got beaten up, tortured and meanwhile banned from her country and writes from Rwanda not very accurate, therefore rather isolated views, comparing in lyric articles to easy other African atrocities with Zimbabwe events.
http://groups.google.com/group/zimb.../browse_thread/thread/bbe71c0bd1663741?hl=en#
That shows Mugabe started his game-playing right from the start.
Remember Dr. Joshua Nkomo, minister of internal affairs (17.04.1980 - 17.02.1982):
Source: “Nkomo - the story of my life”, London 1984, reprint Harare 2001.
I get not tired to hammer that into Zimbabwe forums.
More here http://www.zimdailyforum.com/index.php?topic=15006.msg206723 (refering to GDR 1989)
and here http://newzim.proboards86.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=163112 (draft cabinet)
 
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Data,
before I attend to your latest post I must set down the article I have in my mouse ...fresh off the press, only four hours old:

Ban: Zimbabwe Power-Sharing Deal At An "Impasse"

Ban concerned over Zimbabwe ‘impasse,’ urges parties to reach deal soon

Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has urged the parties in Zimbabwe to step up their efforts to reach a “workable agreement” following the power-sharing deal reached earlier this month that ended months of political upheaval and set the stage for the formation of a government of national unity.

“The Secretary-General is concerned about this impasse,” spokesperson Marie Okabe told reporters today. “He urges the parties to focus hard on reaching a workable agreement as soon as possible.

“It is critically important to get a government in place and to take steps to restore the economy and get Zimbabwe on a path to recovery and a better life for its people,” she stated.

Ms. Okabe added that the UN, for its part, is making every preparation it can to work with the new government to help solve the problems facing Zimbabwe, where the humanitarian situation is “deteriorating and will continue to worsen through this year and into 2009.”

With more than five million Zimbabweans facing severe food shortages, the UN World Food Programme (WFP) yesterday appealed for $140 million to provide vital relief rations over the next six months.

Without additional contributions, WFP warned it will run out of stocks in January – at the very peak of the crisis.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0810/S00246.htm
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Does anyone seriously believe words from the Secretary-General of the UN will have an impact on Mugabe? He has been in power for some 28 years, 1/3 of his life. Physically and mentally he just can't let go, he is that corrupt!
Robert Mugabe’s marauders seize their last chance to grab white farms


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article4887842.ece
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Now we know why he is delaying the power sharing.... there is still white property to be grabbed! That has to be completed first.:roll:



 

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Alright! You joined another Zim-Forum. You don't get tired of the topic, gell?

Thanks for explaining who Grace Kwinjeh is. Now things make sense to me.

I wonder how Tsvangirai's star rally today went. Hopefully without any violence or disturbance from Zanu police.

I haven't had the time yet to go over the power-sharing contract.
http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1935 - will do soon. Thanks for posting it here.

I read Tsvangirai signed the contract, albeit under pressure. What about Mugabe? Has he signed? So, why things are not moving forward? There is mention of an impasse in the UN article.

Funny, how you try to make the Zim situation plausible by comparing it with East-Germany's struggle and the reunification with the West. That candle light rally of 70 000 must have been quite the sight! Urging the Zimbabweans to do the same is good advice they should heed.
 

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This is the inspiring story of a very brave and courageous woman. She may very well bring Mugabe down! She reminds me of Cindy Sheehan, an American mother going against Bush' illegal war.

From Underground, Leading a March for Democracy


JENNI WILLIAMS, Zimbabwe’s hell-raising practitioner of nonviolent civil disobedience, was hauled from a Bulawayo jail cell during one of the first of her 33 arrests for leading street protests for social justice during the past five years of President Robert Mugabe’s rule.
In a tiny office, she accused the baton-wielding police of assaulting her. When officers tauntingly told her she was a liar, she turned around, dropped her pants and showed them the bruises on her backside, recalled her lawyer, Perpetua Dube, who was watching.
“You can’t bare your bottom to me!” one of the officers shouted, threatening to charge her with indecent exposure.
Mrs. Williams, a spitfire rebel with an appreciation of the absurd, subsequently described herself in an e-mail message to friends as sitting on the softest cushions she could find and “giggling in between wincing in pain.”

As of Thursday, she was back in a Bulawayo jail cell — this time for leading a sit-in on the grounds of government offices to demand food for the starving and the immediate formation of a power-sharing government with the opposition.

During years when millions of her compatriots fled abroad to escape hardship and repression — among them her mother, husband and three children, now in their 20s — Mrs. Williams, 46, a stocky high school dropout with a gift for grassroots organizing, has lived underground in Zimbabwe, moving from safe house to safe house as she and her colleagues have built a formidable protest movement among the church women of Harare and Bulawayo, the two largest cities.

“Zimbabwe is my home, so why should I go?” she asked. “We have made a pact as a family. I am supposed to prepare Zimbabwe so everyone can come home.”

Dozens of times, she has led seamstresses and maids, vegetable sellers and hairdressers onto the streets in Zimbabwe’s struggle for democracy. They sing gospel songs, carry brooms to figuratively sweep the government clean and bang on pots empty of food.

On May 28, Mrs. Williams and 13 other marchers were arrested in the capital, Harare, as they demanded an end to political violence. Mr. Mugabe’s enforcers were then engaged in systematically beating thousands of the opposition’s supporters before a June presidential runoff that pitted him against the opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai.

The police said Mrs. Williams and her fellow protesters promoted violence by handing out fliers that accused Mr. Mugabe of “unleashing violence on voters.”

AND Mrs. Williams, listed as accused No. 1, faces an additional charge of causing disaffection among security forces, punishable by up to 25 years in prison. In a newsletter, the organization she leads — Women of Zimbabwe Arise!, known as Woza — said it told soldiers and police officers to refrain from beating people, a statement the police charged was “likely to induce the members to withhold their services or to commit breaches” of discipline.

“Hear us loud and clear — your leaders may get generous retirement packages, but you will be left to face the justice of the law and the anger of the people,” the newsletter warned.

Mrs. Williams and her fellow leader, Magodonga Mahlangu, 35, were held at the Chikurubi prison in Harare for 37 days and released only after the now-discredited runoff was over. In court papers, the police singled out Mrs. Williams as a leader of great influence.
“She has got many sympathizers all over the country,” the police said in arguing against bail. “If accused is released, she is likely to go into hiding.”

And that, of course, is exactly what she did.

“If we force Mugabe out, it will be the women who are his undoing,” said John Worswick, a ruddy-faced farmer driven from his land in the country’s chaotic land reform program who now leads Justice for Agriculture, an alliance of displaced commercial farmers and farm workers. They are the ones with the mettle for this, he said. “Jenni’s rattled Mugabe more than anyone else.”

Mrs. Williams’s troublemaking lineage stretches back to her grandfather, an Irish Republican Army man. He left County Armagh and wound up a gold prospector in the British colony of southern Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe. He took as his common-law wife an Ndebele woman, Bahlezi Moyo, who became the family matriarch and bore him three children, among them Margaret, Jenni’s mother.

Margaret Daunt’s husband, a mechanic, was an absent father, so she raised her own family of seven on what she earned working in hospitals and hotels. Now 74 and living in London, she recalls that when she was at work, Jenni was “a little mother cat” to her siblings and quit convent school to help pay their school fees.

Continued here...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/18/world/africa/18williams.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin
 

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This is the inspiring story of a very brave and courageous woman.
News update from WOZA
21st October 2008 – 5pm

Magistrate to give ruling on bail application on Friday 24th October - Williams and Mahlangu remain in prison ....
Ncube went on to argue that in fact none of the cases mentioned by the state are in fact pending as they had been removed off remand in all four cases. Williams and Mahlangu did not therefore mislead the court when they stated that they had no pending cases against them.

He also reminded the court that the alleged wrongdoing was not a very serious one and that to deny bail for an offence that carries the sentence of a fine would be prejudicial to the two accused.

Following the argument, Magistrate Maphosa pronounced that she would reserve her judgement until Friday 24th October at 11.15pm. Attempts by the defence to bring the ruling forward were rebuffed with the claims that 'the court is very busy.'

The on-going detention of Jenni Williams and Magodonga Mahlangu and the delaying tactics and machinations of the state are a clear violation of their rights and the power-sharing agreement signed by the political parties in September 2008. It is further evidence that ZANU PF has no desire to act in good faith.

WOZA therefore calls on all friends in the region and internationally to protest the ongoing detention of Williams and Mahlangu, particularly ahead of the SADC meeting on Zimbabwe next week.
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Thanks, data, for providing the link for above story. YOU should have posted it!!;-)

This morning I checked ZimOnline - Zimbabwe's Independent News Agency for the latest developments in Africa's former breadbasket and found this sad story:

Boy chokes to death on wild fruit nut

“Villagers are eating dangerous wild fruits, tree leaves and roots because of food shortages. The 15-year-old boy died after he was choked by a nut of umkhuna while numerous villagers have reported sick after eating some unknown wild fruits,” said Mantiya.
Umkhuna, a yellowish-brown fruit indigenous to Zimbabwe, has become a staple for many families as the country’s hunger crisis heads towards an anticipated peak period – January 2009 – when an estimated 5.1 million people or about 45 percent of the country’s 12 million population will have no food."

What is Mugabe going to do about that? He may not even care! All he cares about is hanging on to his power and rather leaves that task to other countries.
The UN World Food Programme (WFP), about two weeks ago, called on international donors to make available US$140 million in emergency food supplies in order to prevent Zimbabwe’s food shortages from deteriorating into a disaster.
 

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Prime Minister (Stephen Harper)'s government is spending $30 million or more in Afghanistan to "protect and promote" human rights and to "strengthen the rule of law" by training judges, prosecutors and public defenders. It is part of our $1.3 billion Afghan aid program. PRIORITIES
 
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Don't worry, ein Mensch, Mugabe will hit on Obama to hand over some aid.

Mugabe seeks new Obama relations

Robert Mugabe told Barack Obama he wanted to "improve bilateral relations"

Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe says he is ready to mend relations with the United States following Barack Obama's victory in the presidential election.

He congratulated Mr Obama and said he hoped to work with him to tackle the challenges facing developing countries.

The US imposed sanctions on Mr Mugabe in 2002, accusing him of rigging elections and violating human rights.

Mr Mugabe's overture comes ahead of regional weekend talks in South Africa on Zimbabwe's political stalemate. But the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) has said renewed violence has ended hopes of negotiating an end to the country's political crisis.

It blamed Mr Mugabe's Zanu-PF party for a "new orgy of brutality" across Zimbabwe.
"In short, Zanu-PF killed the dialogue despite the hopes, patience and expectations of the people of Zimbabwe," the MDC said in a statement on Thursday.

Full article here: BBC NEWS | Africa | Mugabe seeks new Obama relations
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I'm really curios how Obama will deal with that brutal dictator. I hope he will have some "good advice" for him to follow first, before he hands over anything to that brutal dictator.

Data, are you deserting me here? You are the expert on Zimbabwe. Any opinions or other news?
 

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Don't worry, ein Mensch, Mugabe will hit on Obama to hand over some aid.

Mugabe seeks new Obama relations

Robert Mugabe told Barack Obama he wanted to "improve bilateral relations"

Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe says he is ready to mend relations with the United States following Barack Obama's victory in the presidential election.

He congratulated Mr Obama and said he hoped to work with him to tackle the challenges facing developing countries.

The US imposed sanctions on Mr Mugabe in 2002, accusing him of rigging elections and violating human rights.

Mr Mugabe's overture comes ahead of regional weekend talks in South Africa on Zimbabwe's political stalemate. But the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) has said renewed violence has ended hopes of negotiating an end to the country's political crisis.

It blamed Mr Mugabe's Zanu-PF party for a "new orgy of brutality" across Zimbabwe.
"In short, Zanu-PF killed the dialogue despite the hopes, patience and expectations of the people of Zimbabwe," the MDC said in a statement on Thursday.

Full article here: BBC NEWS | Africa | Mugabe seeks new Obama relations
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I'm really curios how Obama will deal with that brutal dictator. I hope he will have some "good advice" for him to follow first, before he hands over anything to that brutal dictator.

Data, are you deserting me here? You are the expert on Zimbabwe. Any opinions or other news?

Obama already (and not even sworn in as the 44th president) has more pressing matters to deal with unfortunately for all concerned.

This will continue until it plays itself out.
 

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Data, are you deserting me here? You are the expert on Zimbabwe. Any opinions or other news?
No, but I follow the predictions, how closed Zim crisis meetings or summits or how ever you will name that will run and what will get published afterwards by who. Ravhumore is very competent in this. New Zimbabwe.com Forums - Sunday's SADC meeting
I even made it to a translation exercise in my business English course for living language in UK, mixed with usual handy abbreviations, what tend to enter the ordinary language.
Robert Mugabe told Barack Obama he wanted to "improve bilateral relations"
Can you see the little Hitler moustache? Hitler tried to manipulate other leaders by brownnosing around similar. But Obama is experienced enough already to smell the rat.
Obama ... has more pressing matters to deal with unfortunately for all concerned. This will continue until it plays itself out.
In Europe it played out with peace saving World War II. If Obama turns out to be just an stooge of the own USA mafia (in different "changed" outfit comparing to GWBush), then you meight be right.
But if his "change" really means something, he will go forward on all fronts, as well national as international. He started already to select his team and didn't go for party, like Bob Clinton once. He might be surprised, what extend of support he would find, one never would imagine.
I'm very critical, but up to now Obama still looks open for up.
 
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No, but I follow the predictions, how closed Zim crisis meetings or summits or how ever you will name that will run and what will get published afterwards by who. Ravhumore is very competent in this. New Zimbabwe.com Forums - Sunday's SADC meeting
I even made it to a translation exercise in my business English course for living language in UK, mixed with usual handy abbreviations, what tend to enter the ordinary language.

Can you see the little Hitler moustache? Hitler tried to manipulate other leaders by brownnosing around similar. But Obama is experienced enough already to smell the rat.

In Europe it played out with peace saving World War II. If Obama turns out to be just an stooge of the own USA mafia (in different "changed" outfit comparing to GWBush), then you meight be right.
But if his "change" really means something, he will go forward on all fronts, as well national as international. He started already to select his team and didn't go for party, like Bob Clinton once. He might be surprised, what extend of support he would find, one never would imagine.
I'm very critical, but up to now Obama still looks open for up.

Well said, yet as has been pointed out by our American members: the United States of America is broke...short on cash... their stupidity of invading Iraq & Afghanistan and perhaps Iran has spread them to thinly. Lenders to America are now far and few between.

Obama is not `the next coming`. First he has to clean up what the Republicans will have left and no-one will know (what and how much) that is until Bush & Co. are officially out of the White House.

I do not envy the task that lies ahead for this man.
 

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Well said, yet as has been pointed out by our American members: the United States of America is broke...short on cash... their stupidity of invading Iraq & Afghanistan and perhaps Iran has spread them to thinly. Lenders to America are now far and few between.

Obama is not `the next coming`. First he has to clean up what the Republicans will have left and no-one will know (what and how much) that is until Bush & Co. are officially out of the White House.

I do not envy the task that lies ahead for this man.
Where did the $825 billion come from? Just strokes of a pen on paper, I imagine? They will further have to "borrow" from future generations, or sell off Hawaii and/or Alaska!!!!:lol: Do we Canadians have some cash flying around? I'd like to buy Alaska, or chunks on the East Coast.
...no-one will know (what and how much) that is until Bush & Co. are officially out of the White House.
I expect they'll take the kiddy with them!!! I read somewhere they had already started plundering.
 

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Where did the $825 billion come from? Just strokes of a pen on paper, I imagine? They will further have to "borrow" from future generations, or sell off Hawaii and/or Alaska!!!!:lol: Do we Canadians have some cash flying around? I'd like to buy Alaska, or chunks on the East Coast.I expect they'll take the kiddy with them!!! I read somewhere they had already started plundering.

dancing-loon, today when it come to America, nothing is a surprize!
 

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No, but I follow the predictions, how closed Zim crisis meetings or summits or how ever you will name that will run and what will get published afterwards by who. Ravhumore is very competent in this. New Zimbabwe.com Forums - Sunday's SADC meeting
I even made it to a translation exercise in my business English course for living language in UK, mixed with usual handy abbreviations, what tend to enter the ordinary language.
Congratulations, data!!! I thought your English was already pretty good... understandable at least. Even I, after all these years, make mistakes here and there, or have to consult the dictionary, like Scratch's "no-one". It looked odd to me, so I consulted my dictionary and found it is spelled as two separate words = no one. Dear Scratch, please, don't take it as criticism.

As to your link, I'm unable to connect. I repeatedly get this message:
The connection has timed out - The server at newzim.proboards86.com is taking too long to respond. - The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few moments. - If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network connection. - If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.
So, I'll try later.
Can you see the little Hitler mustache? Hitler tried to manipulate other leaders by brown nosing around similarly. But Obama is experienced enough already to smell the rat.
data, data!!! You always have it in for Hitler!!:roll: My Dad had the same mustache, called a Rotzbremse!!!:lol: (Snot brake!) There is hardly anything visible on Mugabe's face. Anyway, in Hitler's case the financiers of the New World were eager lending him money; I don't see that in Mugabe's case.
However, I do hope Obama will be smart enough to first ask for stop of violence, and then recognition of the peoples' choice as they have voted for earlier this year. That means "Good Bye, Mugabe"!!
In Europe it played out with peace saving World War II. If Obama turns out to be just a stooge of the own USA mafia (in different "changed" outfit comparing to GWBush), then you might be right.
What? Hitler borrowed the money with war on his mind!
No, I don't believe for one second Obama is a stooge of the Bush mafia. Not a chance!!
But if his "change" really means something, he will go forward on all fronts, as well national as international. He started already to select his team and didn't go for party, like Bob Clinton once. He might be surprised, what extent of support he would find, one never would imagine.
Having read in several other forums I see there is lots of doubt, especially on a German forum, where they openly fear he is just a puppet of the almighty AIPAC. He chose for his Secretary of State a former Clinton adviser, Rahm Emanuel, a fierce Israeli-American Jew. Google yourself - you'll be shocked. From my very limited perspective I see that choice as a mistake, he'll never gain the trust of the Arabs with that person in high office. BUT, as feared, he could be under pressure. We simply will have to wait and see.
I'm very critical, but up to now Obama still looks open for up.
Up what? Is that one of your new abbreviations?;-)
My hope for an American Messiah isn't dead yet, but has suffered a serious crack!
P.S. I'll come to your email asaIc!:smile:
 
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As to your link, I'm unable to connect.
I noticed no failure and was not locked in, so was also just an anonymous. *)
Hitler borrowed the money with war on his mind!
German banks and industry made deals with US republican industrialists, like the Bush grand pa, who could not stop it and got expropriated by the US government for business with the enemy until 1942. The US daughter Opel produced lorries for the war, artificial rubber got pushed in industrial production in a joint venture to make a German war machine (European axis powers) independent on natural rubber from entente colonies.
But it worked also vis versa. German optics for target bombing were delivered from Zeiss Jena for both, the Royal Air force and the Luftwaffe (what never should exist, but got high industrialized supply of war planes - especially Dessau grew large by that).
No, I don't believe for one second Obama is a stooge of the Bush mafia.
I don't mean the small Bush mafia, but the people behind. You named AIPAC , sculls&bones are others a.s.o.
BUT, as feared, he could be under pressure.
The president is it always. He collects representatives of different power groups. That is a correct procedure to deal with a huge task on a democratic way.
Up what? Is that one of your new abbreviations?;-)
No. I mean, he could become not only just an other president, but a respected one in the world - not just feared one because of his 50% of world military budget and WMD overkill abilities.

*) as starter I provide a small example from Ravhumore, having used the link above.


Bob and Chatunga return from last shopping spree in Washington

Chatunga: Dad, what's politics?
Bob: Ah (looking up from his newspaper, he scratches his croch and yawns) Let me set an example with our family. I have all the money so we'll call me the management. Mom receives most of it so we'll call her the government. We'll call the maids the working class, you are the people, and your baby brother is the future. Do you understand now son?
Chatunga: I still don't understand dad.
Bob: (iritated) Think about it for a while Chatu.
That night Chatunga wakes up because his baby brother is crying. He goes in and finds out he's soiled his diapers. He goes to tell Grace but she's asleep. He goes in to the maids room but they are having sex with Bob. He bangs on the door but no one can here him.

The next day at breakfast on the 3rd floor dinning room...

Chatunga: Dad I understand politics now.
Bob: Good Chatu, explain it to me in your own words son.
Chatunga: The management is screwing the working class while the government's fast asleep. The people are being ignored and the future is full of s**t!
 
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...But it worked also vise versa. German optics for target bombing were delivered from Zeiss Jena for both, the Royal Air force and the Luftwaffe (what never should exist, but got high industrialized supply of war planes - especially Dessau grew large by that).
Good Grief! So we enabled our enemy to do precision bombing on specific targets in Germany?! :roll::roll:
I don't mean the small Bush mafia, but the people behind. You named AIPAC , sculls&bones are others a.s.o.
I see! Yes, I believe that's a powerful mafia!! Obama has little choice, he has to follow their dictates. That's probably why I read so often it doesn't really matter who reigns - Dems or Reps, they are all members of these mighty groups. True or not, but I heard every American president has to be a member of AIPAC! Am not certain, if Obama is, but he sure threw himself at their feet with his speech at their conference. In case you like to read about it in German: TP: Obamas unterwürfige Rede vor der Lobbygruppe AIPAC
No. I mean, he could become not only just another president, but a respected one in the world - not just a feared one because of his 50% of world military budget and WMD overkill abilities.
Ouch, but well said!;-)

*) as starter I provide a small example from Ravhumore, having used the link above.


Bob and Chatunga return from last shopping spree in Washington[/quote]

Chatunga: Dad, what's politics?
Bob: Ah (looking up from his newspaper, he scratches his croch and yawns) Let me set an example with our family. I have all the money so we'll call me the management. Mom receives most of it so we'll call her the government. We'll call the maids the working class, you are the people, and your baby brother is the future. Do you understand now son?
Chatunga: I still don't understand dad.
Bob: (iritated) Think about it for a while Chatu.
That night Chatunga wakes up because his baby brother is crying. He goes in and finds out he's soiled his diapers. He goes to tell Grace but she's asleep. He goes in to the maids room but they are having sex with Bob. He bangs on the door but no one can here him.

The next day at breakfast on the 3rd floor dinning room...

Chatunga: Dad I understand politics now.
Bob: Good Chatu, explain it to me in your own words son.
Chatunga: The management is screwing the working class while the government's fast asleep. The people are being ignored and the future is full of s**t!
Great joke, data!:lol::lol:


But humor aside, look at this article: AIPAC - America's Pro-Israel Lobby

 

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This is the inspiring story of a very brave and courageous woman. She may very well bring Mugabe down! She reminds me of Cindy Sheehan, an American mother going against Bush' illegal war.


Look how good Cindy is doing these days. She was stomped by Pelosi and completely shunned by Democrats after they used her to sweep the GOP congress from office. She was used up and put away by the Liberals.