Zimbabwe...no end to the power struggle!

dancing-loon

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Dunga: I have a feeling Tsvangirai will be assassinated!

Silly feelings! Tozozviona zvaitika.

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I don't think they would dare now. The world is watching!!
 

Zzarchov

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The world doesn't do anything though.

The world watches Genocide, then does nothing. If anyone in the world acts, they are told the war is unjustified and they are booed and hated as villains.

Not alot of incentive for anyone to act. Therefore not alot of incentive for Mugabe to not do whatever he feels like.
 

dancing-loon

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How nice, such lovely pictures! Everybody is smiling, even Mugabe:smile: I had serious doubts it would ever come to this moment, but.... the Afrikaners have their own peculiar negotiating style. Mbeki did it, despite a lot of criticism.

Let's see how long the smiles will last, when reality kicks in.
 

dancing-loon

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The world doesn't do anything though.

The world watches Genocide, then does nothing. If anyone in the world acts, they are told the war is unjustified and they are booed and hated as villains.

Not alot of incentive for anyone to act. Therefore not alot of incentive for Mugabe to not do whatever he feels like.
Sounds like you are referring to the US.
 

Zzarchov

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Sounds like you are referring to the US.

Everyone actually, Britain and France as well.

Anyone who can intervene is labelled as an imperialist and a baby killer when they do.

I guarantee you if any nation intervened in Darfur, they would be catching flak for being evil imperialists responsible for a million dead babies within a year.
 

darkbeaver

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The World Bank will save Zimbabwe, the IMF will feed the people, the WTO will make the trains run on time, democracy will bloom accross the land and Zzarchov will become an indian chief and a fireman.
 

dancing-loon

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Everyone actually, Britain and France as well.

Anyone who can intervene is labelled as an imperialist and a baby killer when they do.

I guarantee you if any nation intervened in Darfur, they would be catching flak for being evil imperialists responsible for a million dead babies within a year.
Darfur is a book by itself!!
Both, Israel and the US got their hands in there. Who would want to mess with or accuse them?

http://www.tlaxcala.es/pp.asp?lg=en&reference=4192
 

Zzarchov

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Oh go figure, blaming Israel for Arab states causing Colonial Genocide in their attempts to drive Africans from Africa.

The only superpower involved in anyway in Darfur is China, and it acts out of indifference.
 

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dancing-loon

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Did I steal the new passport of Prime Minister Morgan Tswangirai, despite I didn't want to??? 8O8O8O
http://newzim.proboards86.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=161238
I see, I see!!! You and your daughter are the culprits, taking the last bit of crap paper away, so poor Tswangirai has to wait for the next shipment of paper from the pulp mills in B.C.!!!!

To me it sounds more like Mugabe inspired harassment. Those Zanu Party Farts have orders from "above" to artificially delay/postpone the issuing of Morgan's passport.

Have the travel sanctions for Mugabe and his clan now been lifted, or is he still denied entry of certain countries? Maybe this is how he retaliates against Morgan.

What a game! I guess they have nothing else of importance to do.
 

data

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Have the travel sanctions for Mugabe and his clan now been lifted, or is he still denied entry of certain countries? Maybe this is how he retaliates against Morgan.

kules: Mugabe pulled his children off school for 10 days while they went on a shopping spree in USA. A once in a blue moon oppotunity now that their father is barred from visiting on anything other than UN busines.
http://newzim.proboards86.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=161529

MT seems to be still full of optimism and hopefully preparing for his new task. Mugabe announced, the new PM will get sworn in on Friday after he returned on Monday. More than 100 Air Zimbabwe passengers got stranded in London Gatwick, when they had to give place for their president and his North American diplomatic corps, who shall collect new instructions about the new GNU rules at home. That RGM hijacks his national planes including passengers is a long tradition in Zimbabwe. He refuses to maintain an own government air fleet. But that he collected about 50 of his diplomatic staff in US and Canada seems to be a sign, that he takes power sharing serious to some extend (in what direction ever).
Even more Mugabe announced, the last remaining 4 minister posts in question will soon get allocated, since the new cabinet needs come in effect very soon. So it remains interesting, despite diaspora gives the contract no real value. A lot depends now, how serious both parties will be to turn the Zimbabwe situation.

But what is South Africa doing, while just a piece of (toilet:?:)paper got subscribed?
"Zimbos go home and rare asylum to get revoked!" Who is responsible for that (if not just an autocratic bureaucracy)? I can only hope, next years elections show a result similar to 9 Mio. voters Bavaria :cheers:election from last Sunday (ruling party looses majority and gets forced to negotiate a real coalition :argue:).
http://newzim.proboards86.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=161522
 
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dancing-loon

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Mugabe shops in New York??? Fifth Avenue, I bet! At Sachs most likely. His billion Zims are probably worth a lot as "souvenirs"!:lol: Meanwhile his fellow country men are in desperation!

New to me is this:
Human rights lawyer for the Zimbabwe Exiles Forum, Anna Moyo, told Newsreel on Monday the sudden ‘hostility’ from the South African government was putting ‘the lives of Zimbabweans at risk’. She explained that there are serious concerns about the ongoing violence in Zimbabwe, saying the ‘human rights situation is still desperate’. Moyo added that there are rumours that many Zimbabweans have already been deported, and expressed her own fears for the safety of new refugees. “Its difficult now for new exiles, because so many are still crossing the border, and their safety is at risk,” Moyo said.
All those million refugees.... who bears the cost of feeding and sheltering them? South Africa? In that case I can understand they get fed up! Is the international community not helping? Something is very very wrong! What a messy and stupid situation - all because of one man - Mugabe! Canada has some very skilled and accurate sharpshooters;-);-)

Here is the latest article I just pulled off the web:

Mbeki to stay on as Zimbabwe mediator

Fri 3 Oct 2008, 19:58 GMT


HARARE (Reuters) - Thabo Mbeki has agreed to stay on as mediator in Zimbabwe's power-sharing talks despite being ousted as South African president, his spokesman said on Friday.
Why is he being ousted, I wonder? Because he spends too much time negotiating between Zanu PF and MDC?
Zimbabwe's opposition MDC says only mediation can break a deadlock in talks on forming a cabinet.
Pressure for Mbeki to return as mediator has grown as Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe's ZANU-PF and the Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) have remained far apart over how to carve up cabinet posts.
ZANU-PF said this week it did not see any immediate need for mediation.
Getting all the various posts sorted out is going to take another huge chunk of time and effort.

http://africa.reuters.com/top/news/usn9EE9447E-9185-11DD-BE91-8832B2B2A426.html
 

einmensch

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Even for a habitual troller such as yourself, this is a shockingly idiotic post.

The truth is that the people of Zimbabwe, Black and white, were better off under Ian Smith.

Now that is shocking.

The above is your opinion, Colpy.
In 1989 a young coworker returned from Zimbabwe. I asked to see pics. Nice pictures and verbal descriptions. The British WHITE FAMILY UP HIGH and below the whole village sang a welcome song to the them. Sort of like Georgia, Virginia Plantation. My comment to Julie-was Oh Sht, Julie. This is not going to last. It upset her and she understood. Julies brother did marry her and her Zimbabwe family departed to England losing all almost. Yes probably they were better off ---so why did the population rise up rather than sing? Was there an organization that sparked rebellion? What ignited the change? Mau Mau

If all was so great then why drive the English out? Because that was the only way to get them out?? But then South Africa??
 

data

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GNU status and future http://newzim.proboards86.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=162293

After signing an agreement, RGM sticks on parts, what are in his interest and sabotages everything, what does not.
Unfortunately the GNU contract says nothing of substance. So there may be some hidden parts, what give sense to have celebrated about mid of September. Any step behind the MDC-T interpretation would mean unconditional surrender and treason to all MDC voters. If the signing of the agreement ends the MOU conditions, the public is entitled to express peacefully in public, what they agreed to have been signed, what they expect from their leaders and what they think about certain (not global) ZANU and RGM interpretations of the GNU contract and subsequent cabinet forming. The people must express their will visible to the world. Will peace be uphold or violence return? That is a crucial question about the value of any (power sharing) agreement similar to GDR situation of 1989.

Since I noticed exiled Grace Kwinjeh to have in mind only the Zimbabwe of her own awareness, I wonder what MT knows about Zimbabwe and ZANU history.

Remember Dr. Joshua Nkomo, minister of internal affairs (17.04.1980 - 17.02.1982):
Once ZIPRA was disbanded, my usefulness to Robert Mugabe’s government was at an end. My office became more than ever a backwater. Cabinet documents arrived too late for me to consider them. I was not consulted on security matters. I was not even told about appointments to the civillian public service. The ZANU central committee had taken over the functions of the cabinet and of parliament.
I spoke out against all this, in parliament and on public platforms. But I stayed strictly within the limits of a free democracy - although in the admittedly strange role of a member of the government who was also its severest critic. I could not bring myself to believe that democracy was breaking down so soon after it had been introduced. The alternative to open criticism was a retreat into illegal opposition, with all the dangers - including of renewed civil war - that it could bring to Zimbabwe. This is utterly rejected. Yet now I was to be accused of exactly the conduct that I had done so much to avoid. (p229)
Vote Moyo was arrested within the grounds of parliament, on his lawfull business as a member of parliament in August 1982. The courts ordered his release and he was promptly redetained. As I write (October 1983) he is still in detention. His crime was to be my friend. (p.237)
Source: “Nkomo - the story of my life”, London 1984, reprint Harare 2001.
 

dancing-loon

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Hi, data;
sorry, I've deserted you and Zimbabwe.... have been busy otherwise.
Just for a little fun until I get the umpf to answer your last post, here is the story of a desperate, but innovative man...

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-05-...ne-cooking-oil

Although the story is a few months old, I don't think the unemployment situation has changed much.
Perhaps he will at least get some food while in jail.... hopefully!
 

dancing-loon

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GNU status and future http://newzim.proboards86.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=162293

After signing an agreement, RGM sticks on parts, what are in his interest and sabotages everything, what does not.
That doesn't surprise me. He loves playing games with the opposition.
Unfortunately the GNU contract says nothing of substance.
It doesn't? That surprises me. Is the contract available to the public?
So there may be some hidden parts, what give sense to have celebrated about mid of September.
Strange, data... very strange. A document should not omit any hidden agreements. That would be a betrayal to the citizens of Zimbabwe.
Any step behind the MDC-T interpretation would mean unconditional surrender and treason to all MDC voters. If the signing of the agreement ends the MOU conditions, the public is entitled to express peacefully in public, what they agreed to have been signed, what they expect from their leaders and what they think about certain (not global) ZANU and RGM interpretations of the GNU contract and subsequent cabinet forming.
Definitively! Zimbabwe is now a democracy, at least on paper.
The people must express their will visible to the world.
Well, if Mugabe doesn't hold himself to what he agreed to in that power sharing contract, then the peiple should protest, but they might be too afraid.
Will peace be upheld or violence return? That is a crucial question about the value of any (power sharing) agreement similar to GDR situation of 1989.
How did the 1989 reunification process go? Did the East- and West-German governments just merge peacefully? I know nothing about it, beyond the fact the wall came down.
Since I noticed exiled Grace Kwinjeh to have in mind only the Zimbabwe of her own awareness, I wonder what MT knows about Zimbabwe and ZANU history.
And who would Grace Kwinjeh be? Is there any relevance in connection with this power sharing agreement?
Data, you have to realize I have no knowledge of Zimbabwe's history other than that it was called Rhodesia and belonged to England, then was ruled solely by Ian Smith, and then came Mugabe, who ousted all the white farmers. Rudimentary knowledge, that's all!
from your link:
Quote:[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Once ZIPRA was disbanded, my usefulness to Robert Mugabe’s government was at an end. My office became more than ever a backwater. Cabinet documents arrived too late for me to consider them. I was not consulted on security matters. I was not even told about appointments to the civillian public service. The ZANU central committee had taken over the functions of the cabinet and of parliament.
I spoke out against all this, in parliament and on public platforms. But I stayed strictly within the limits of a free democracy - although in the admittedly strange role of a member of the government who was also its severest critic. I could not bring myself to believe that democracy was breaking down so soon after it had been introduced. The alternative to open criticism was a retreat into illegal opposition, with all the dangers - including of renewed civil war - that it could bring to Zimbabwe. This is utterly rejected. Yet now I was to be accused of exactly the conduct that I had done so much to avoid. (p229)
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]That shows Mugabe started his game-playing right from the start.

[/FONT] Remember Dr. Joshua Nkomo, minister of internal affairs (17.04.1980 - 17.02.1982):
Source: “Nkomo - the story of my life”, London 1984, reprint Harare 2001.[/quote]