Young Liberals want to dump the monarchy

[Spade]

Ridding ourselves of an anachronistic and fundamentally anti-democratic hereditary monarchy would be simple really. Right now, the term-specific appointed governor general acts as our head of state except when the Queen is in Canada. if the present queen were to die, Canada could choose to leave the monarchy vacant.

 

[#juan]

Seems to me that democracy doesn't work. Proof being that we keep electing dirtbags into office. Getting rid of national parties would be a step in the right direction, but as long as corporations have as much rights as a human and we have corporate lobby groups, we will never have a government that represents the people. Since we can't seem to agree on much of anything or elect a decent government, how does anybody expect that we would elect a decent monarchy? We don't need any monarchy and we need to revamp government to serve the people, not corporate interests. We need to dump the present capitalist system in favour of one that serves the needs of the people, not just corporations and human greed.

But as seen from this thread, people don't seem to be able to see past their noses, as all we have heard so far, is to tweak what we already have even though it is so corrupt that there is no possibility to fix it. The Liberals as just as intellectually and morally bankrupt as the Conservatives and NDP. We need to stop supporting pigs at the trough. We need to set up a national round table to try to redesign government and economic systems that serve us not "them".

If you just look at Canada's standard of living compared with the rest of the world you would see that our particular brand of democracy works very well. It is not without it's warts, but what system is? I don't believe as you seem to, that all politicians are crooks.
Politicians tell us what he/she stands for, and how he/she votes in the house shows us if he/she is honest.
Political partys gather together like-minded people on the left, right, or center to consolidate their influence. So far, it seems to be working.

 

[JLM]

If you just look at Canada's standard of living compared with the rest of the world you would see that our particular brand of democracy works very well. It is not without it's warts, but what system is? I don't believe as you seem to, that all politicians are crooks.
Politicians tell us what he/she stands for, and how he/she votes in the house shows us if he/she is honest.
Political partys gather together like-minded people on the left, right, or center to consolidate their influence. So far, it seems to be working.

I don't either...........................for the first three days they are politicians! The problem is they are caving in to the likes of the $8 million execs much more than to the average voter. Just try showing up at their door at the same time as the head honcho from Royal Bank shows up and see how much time you get.

 

[#juan]

I don't either...........................for the first three days they are politicians! The problem is they are caving in to the likes of the $8 million execs much more than to the average voter. Just try showing up at their door at the same time as the head honcho from Royal Bank shows up and see how much time you get.

Name me a politician who is taking bribes. I talk to my MP a couple times a year.....never had a problem...:roll:

 

[Blackleaf]

I don't give a **** what was done historically. Canada's monarch is not elected. Nobody voted for Liz. She got her position because of who her daddy was. Anybody that supports the monarchy does not believe in the idea that all people are created equal. Playing word games doesn't change that.

Nobody needs to vote for Canada's Head of State because Canada's Head of State is purely ceremonial and has no political powers.

As I've said on discussion forums many times before, having elections to elect a ceremonial Head of State is not only a waste of time but also a waste of money.

 

[Spade]

To summarize::
Having ...a ceremonial Head of State is ... a waste of money.

 

[Blackleaf]

To summarize::
Having ...a ceremonial Head of State is ... a waste of money.

No, it isn't. It's far better - not to mention cheaper - than having a politician as Head of State.

 

[talloola]

lets remember the thousands of first nations, english and others who died fighting for this country,
I would not call it being born into priviledge, and if not for those deaths and all of the others who
survived fighting for this country, it would be 'u.s. property'.

 

[Machjo]

The Queen is not an absolute figure head. She does reserve the right to refuse to sign a bill into law. It's not a power she often uses, but it is there in principle.

I could see the monarch being elected by parliament or the collective of parliaments of commonwealth realms for a lifetime short of impeachment for example.

 

[Spade]

lets remember the thousands of first nations, english and others who died fighting for this country,
I would not call it being born into priviledge, and if not for those deaths and all of the others who
survived fighting for this country, it would be 'u.s. property'.

If your officer's dead and the sergeants look white,
Remember it's ruin to run from a fight:
So take open order, lie down, and sit tight,
And wait for supports like a soldier.
Wait, wait, wait like a soldier . . .

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier ~of~ the Queen!
--Rudyard kipling (1895)

Time passes; realms pass, The War of 1812 is over.

 

[ironsides]

As an American, you should be familiar with some of Alexander Hamilton's views. he eventually consented to a presidential four year term, but primarily supported the idea of an elective monarchy, elected for life but impeachable and with constitutional controls.
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True, but the others could see that Hamilton's idea was what we were trying to get rid of. Why just put another King George as our head, trade one form of tyranny for another (from our perspective).

 

[talloola]

If your officer's dead and the sergeants look white,
Remember it's ruin to run from a fight:
So take open order, lie down, and sit tight,
And wait for supports like a soldier.
Wait, wait, wait like a soldier . . .

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier ~of~ the Queen!
--Rudyard kipling (1895)

Time passes; realms pass, The War of 1812 is over.

but we shouldn't forget, and will not forget any war, if we care for 'anyone' who fought, and why.

 

[wulfie68]

Nobody needs to vote for Canada's Head of State because Canada's Head of State is purely ceremonial and has no political powers.

Sorry Blackleaf, but you are absolutely wrong. The Queen DOES have very real powers under the Canadian constitution, but they are of a nature that they are only required to be invoked under pretty extreme or extraordinary circumstance.

 

[Spade]

but we shouldn't forget, and will not forget any war, if we care for 'anyone' who fought, and why.

No, we must not forget the soldiers and civilians. Divining "why" takes more than a birch wand.

 

[Cliffy]

but we shouldn't forget, and will not forget any war, if we care for 'anyone' who fought, and why.

The reasons for war are rarely the same as what we were told they were. War is never justified but like good little sheeple, we believe what we are told and volunteer to be canon fodder.

 

[JLM]

Name me a politician who is taking bribes. I talk to my MP a couple times a year.....never had a problem...:roll:

Probably not too many in a monetary sense. But we know Robert Sommers did, as for Phil Gaglardi, I won't hazard a guess. :lol::lol::lol::lol:, but it's a fact the bastard gained on property deals with Hwy. 5 north of Kamloops.

 

[Spade]

Sorry Blackleaf, but you are absolutely wrong. The Queen DOES have very real powers under the Canadian constitution, but they are of a nature that they are only required to be invoked under pretty extreme or extraordinary circumstance.

Such as no clotted cream for tea.

 

[Machjo]

True, but the others could see that Hamilton's idea was what we were trying to get rid of. Why just put another King George as our head, trade one form of tyranny for another (from our perspective).

That's not at all what he was proposing. He was proposing an elective monarchy, not a hereditary one, along with popular power to impeach the monarch and elect a new one if necessary.


One big advantage of an elective monarchy is since the monarch would be elected only once in a lifetime it would provide a certain stability to the country, notwithstanding impeachment of course. And needless to say the monarch's powers would be limited exclusively to the executive branch along with perhaps other constitutional constraints.

 

[WLDB]

i personally support scrapping the Senate altogether. Save some money there.

If it can't be reformed, and by the looks of it it can't, then by all means.

That and the monarchy. Get rid of all offices related to that antiquated system. Maybe keep the Governor General position as a form of President but make it elected.

 

[Machjo]

If I remember correctly I think the German President is elected by the Reichstag and serves a similar ceremonial role as the British monarch.