You are nothing
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Looks like you chose a very appropriate user name. I feel a little sorry for anybody who thinks like that.
yes, a clear sense of positive worth for all of us, the ability to 'think' so deeply, have memories that
go so far into the past, and plans for so far into the future, and the reply I made was in defense of
being called 'nothing'.
lol It's better than having no sense of self-worth, or being nothing, as China wants to label himself as.
I think the sheer length of human history would imply that we are quite successful and industrious. If not, you wouldn't be here to mope abuot how horrid we are.
If we're such a failure, we'd have gone the way of the large dinosaurs. On the contrary, the evidence points to us as being too successful.
lol Yeah, what she said.
What am's I?
I am's I, and even if one wants to look at it in reverse.... I am's I.
Or as Jeff Martin from the Tea Party once wrote in a song: "All you are, is in you."
I am a collection of knowledge and experience I have been given or I have obtained through my own actions..... my actions are a reflection and projection of this collection of knowledge and experience..... Because of this, the experience and knowledge in which helps conduct the actions and expressions that make my impact of time and life in which I make.... Exist.
Because these things exist, they are more then nothing, they are something.
Since these things are something and they exist within myself as memories, thoughts, actions, physical damage or adjustments to my external and internal body, as well as the direct connection and attachment to others, their lives, their bodies and they also in turn add to their own experiences and knowledge, rather then just remaining inside myself...... then I exist as well, one way or another.
If we are all supposed to be nothing and everything in which we experience is supposed to be nothing.... then tell me exactly what they heck you are doing right now? You are reading this text on your computer, which traveled through the internet from this forum, which connected through the internet still, from my computer, from my fingers, from my mind..... and back.
Now what I just said, does it somehow match or confirm what you said?
Hardly, it depends on one's perspective.
Our very detailed experiences, our very unique and subjective thoughts, our individually unique self awareness that is determined by environment, period of existence (time) and knowledge gained above those who came before.... is exactly what makes us who we are, therefore we are not "Nothing"
We are the existence of the shells that contain us in this life (Bodies) and our collective thoughts/memories/experiences that separate one human being from another.
To try and nit pick one term over another term, or to give credit to one of those terms for making the other exist, therefore claiming one or the other doesn't actually exist, is a short sighted perspective, considering all terms and all that makes us who we are and makes us exist all work collectively to make one another exist, thus we exist.
In the end, whether a part of us exists or doesn't exist, or if we as a whole individual exist or do not exist based on some subjective perspective is irrelevant...... the signals being sent to our brains by our various senses tell us this is the reality in which we exist in and believing you exist or do not exist will not suddenly make this reality we are in..... go away.
Maybe you and I are Popsicles stuck in a cardboard box in the freezer and death is only that of when someone takes one of us out of the box to be eaten..... leaving just a copes afterwards (the wooden stick) ~ It might be true, but it still doesn't remove the fact that I still have to work day in and day out, sustain the relationships/friendships I currently have, and intake food sustenance daily in order to continue existing.
Whatever there is that exists within us, exists non the less, and if it exists, then so do we.
Thus.... I AM'S WHAT I AM'S!
Since I and other humans I can communicate with do, and since the bird, along with just about every other animal on earth continually try to avoid hazards everyday.... yes, they do.
If they had no fear or concept of dying, then we'd be seeing birds fly head first into the mouths of dogs, bears and other predators.
Hell, birds would just simply smack head on into a window, break their necks and drop on your dinner plate.
Even plants have a fear, or at least an awareness of death and their own self preservation, or else they'd never develop poisons, thorns, protective shells for their seeds, etc.
In all honesty, how do you know what a bird thinks or doesn't think? Your above claim isn't even closely relative to my above claim that they are aware of death..... mine is based on personal experience and observation, which could still be wrong.... but your claim is based on a subjective concept that all other animals besides humans don't think beyond what is in front of their face.... which is at best, a guess...... a less educated guess then my own.
Why does that bird occupy itself with "Living" or catching insects or building a nest or singing songs to communicate with other birds which eventually leads to procreation?
It is occupied with living because it doesn't want to die..... it catches insects because it needs to eat or it will die.... it needs to build a nest for shelter and for procreation, or else it dies.
We do what we need to do for much the same reasons....... you may think Birds fly around and sing tunes like some horrible 1939 Disney Cartoon.... ie: out of sheer enjoyment and thoughtlessness besides happiness.... but that's not how it works.
They're up in the air, gliding without beating their wings, because they are in search for food and gliding helps preserve their energy.
No they are not.... they have to foresee what is going to come in their future.... they need to make shelter, mate, eat, evade predators and protect themselves.... they need to prepare for everyday that occurs.... just as we do.
Once again, speak for yourself.
the op was just pointing out, that in his opinion we are 'nothing', and if you look around the world
and see the masses of construction, shipping, farming, etc. and also the destruction we have caused around
the world, it proves that we are very much something, the opposite of nothing.
just because we have the ability to know that someday we will die, and 'some' might whine and mope
about that, but the majority do not, with all of the knowledge we have about ourselves and how our
lives start, then finish, either naturally or tragically, we still find a way to be happy and L I V E.
we are not really discussing the success and failure of our society, and how those things have happened,
but go ahead start a thread about that, and there will be much is talk about.
We have broken up the earth as yours and mine - your nation, my nation, your flag and his flag, this particular religion and the religion of the distant man. The world, the earth, is divided, broken up. And for it we fight and wrangle, and the politicians exult in their power to maintain this division, never looking at the world as a whole. They haven't got the global mind. They never feel nor ever perceive the immense possibility of having no nationality, no division, they can never perceive the ugliness of their power, their position and their sense of importance. They are like you or another, only they occupy the seat of power with their petty little desires and ambitions, and so maintain apparently, as long as man has been on this earth, the tribal attitude towards life. They don't have a mind that is not committed to any issue, to any ideals, ideologies - a mind that steps beyond the division of race, culture, that the religions man has invented. Governments must exist as long as man is not a light to himself, as long as he does not live his daily life with order, care, diligently working, watching, learning. He would rather be told what to do. We have broken up the earth as yours and mine - your nation, my nation, your flag and his flag, this particular religion and the religion of the distant man. The world, the earth, is divided, broken up. And for it we fight and wrangle, and the politicians exult in their power to maintain this division, never looking at the world as a whole. They haven't got the global mind. They never feel nor ever perceive the immense possibility of having no nationality, no division, they can never perceive the ugliness of their power, their position and their sense of importance. They are like you or another, only they occupy the seat of power with their petty little desires and ambitions, and so maintain apparently, as long as man has been on this earth, the tribal attitude towards life. They don't have a mind that is not committed to any issue, to any ideals, ideologies - a mind that steps beyond the division of race, culture, that the religions man has invented. Governments must exist as long as man is not a light to himself, as long as he does not live his daily life with order, care, diligently working, watching, learning. He would rather be told what to do. He has been told what to do by the ancients, by the priests, by the gurus, and he accepts their orders, their peculiar destructive disciplines as though they were gods on this earth, as though they knew all the implications of this extraordinarily complex life.at to do. He has been told what to do by the ancients, by the priests, by the gurus, and he accepts their orders, their peculiar destructive disciplines as though they were gods on this earth, as though they knew all the implications of this extraordinarily complex life.They are also nothing .
the world is made up of many different types of people. The power hungry types who push their way to the
seats of government and compete with all of the other power mongers in others countries.
Those who don't want any power, like to follow.
Those who just go about their business each day, living a very responsible life, and would not need any
leader to succeed in life.
Those who are irresponsible over everyone, and would lie, steal and murder to get what they want.
Those who are mentally incompetent, and have to be helped through life.
It remains that the masses are led through life by the power hungry, who are a minority in the world,
but most people don't want that position in life.
People are just people, and each type chooses their own road, and i'm sure it was that way in caveman days,
where the strong survived over the weak, in physical battles, where the weak sat back, the irresponsible
stole and murdered, and the powerful stood over everyone and pushed and prodded and took everything.
seats of government and compete with all of the other power mongers in others countries.
Those who don't want any power, like to follow.
Those who just go about their business each day, living a very responsible life, and would not need any
leader to succeed in life.
Those who are irresponsible over everyone, and would lie, steal and murder to get what they want.
Those who are mentally incompetent, and have to be helped through life.
It remains that the masses are led through life by the power hungry, who are a minority in the world,
but most people don't want that position in life.
People are just people, and each type chooses their own road, and i'm sure it was that way in caveman days,
where the strong survived over the weak, in physical battles, where the weak sat back, the irresponsible
stole and murdered, and the powerful stood over everyone and pushed and prodded and took everything.
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There, fixed it for you, in spite of all the smoke. lol
In any case, if you think others are nothing, or even if you think you are nothing, that's your own opinion, not fact, and you should only speak for yourself.
...Darkness(Dark Energy) is everywhere , but is not Nothing ...We are of the light ...Which is Also not nothing... ..
Everything is Energy and Information..The rest is recyclable waste
..Everything is Energy and Information..The rest is recyclable waste
I am who I am; I am aware of the great one and that's the fact not an opinion and finaly
I am speaking for myself for I:x am who I:x am .
no china, it is you who say you are nothing, it seems the rest of us,
maybe the rest of us, know we are something. We are not buying into your idea.
Cliff is a conscious construct of his Soul, one of many. He was assigned a character to play in a movie that was scripted by his Soul in order to learn certain aspects of third dimensional reality so that the Soul can grow spiritually and eventually find Its way home. We are all aspects of the Creative Force that is also growing through the experiences of all its creation. We just happen to be the human eyes and ears of that Creative Force in this great drama that is unfolding called life.
Yes talloola , it is me who sais ..." Iam notheing"; I am very defintely aware of what/who I am,......"nothing", I will stand by it .. On the other hand,"you,maybe the rest of you" also know who/what you are ........something.All I wanted to know is what that something is so don't acuse me of selling ideas /opinions ,not nice .:smile:
Facts? The simple fact you are posting here proves irrefutably that you are not nothing.
Also, the fact that you have a child (assuming that is she in your avatar pic) means indubitably that you are a father, not nothing.