Yep, Cuba is just awesome!

petros

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An American can exit the USA to Canada without a Passport....they just can't
re-enter the USA from Canada without a Passport. That's the hitch.

I was in Cuba in January of 2008. I liked it. Going back again Monday.
We really enjoyed Cuba but you might want to find a English version repair manual for those Soviet air conditioners.

That was the only thing about our trip to Cuba that was disappointing.
 

petros

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But not having one does not make it illegal to leave the country.
They won't allow you entry without one and you'll be deported even if it is just a drive up port of entry and they most definetly can and will arrest you and incarcerate you if they see fit. You are on US soil once you drive past the Canadian booth.


From an online travel agency giving advice for buying international tickets.....

Since you will not receive a paper receipt, itinerary, or confirmation letter automatically when you purchase an e-ticket, we suggest you keep a copy of your confirmation e-mail or print a copy of your itinerary for your records. You will also need it, along with your valid passport or other government-issued photo identification, when you check in at the airport. Note that a valid passport is generally required for travel outside Canada.
Happy trails!!!

Interesting.....

https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/esta....6DBEC87_k7E01BBCF-4497-1A79-669A-9281837CB7B4
 

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They won't allow you entry without one and you'll be deported even if it is just a drive up port of entry and they most definetly can and will arrest you and incarcerate you if they see fit. You are on US soil once you drive past the Canadian booth.

Yes, indeed. Where in your post does it say that you are required to have one to leave Canada?
 

petros

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I've been to the real Cuba.. I was in the heart of Havana..

there's nothing really to be afraid of.
I really enjoyed Cuba. It's far safer in Havana than it is in Miami or supposed democracies like Jamaica...First island I've been to that was a hole.
 

Chiliagon

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you don't have to believe me.. I'm not gonna cry on my bed and have a damp pillow cause you don't believe it.

Cuba is a great place to visit if you can get over your selfish and brainwashed values and ideals of Cuba.

the USA really goes out to make Cuba seem and appear to be nasty and evil and a bad place to go and see.

when in reality it's nothing like that.

sure, they have issues. they may not exactly have the freedoms that we take for granted daily. but it is a good place to visit and be able to see a different place than what we are used to.
 

Ron in Regina

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I'm getting ready to go. Three more day's & I'll be there again. Bit more
last minute shopping yet though. Here's some of the Matcbox Cars I'll
give away when I'm there.

 

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Those who claim Cuba is not free, forget that Cuba for the most part was never free.
Castro did make an improvement in the lives of most of the people and the regime is
supported because of it. When the government fell back in 1959, the Cuban people
were under a much worse government. Batista was a pawn of the Americans and
worse the mob itself. the people were by the vast majority illiterate, and living in
poverty. Kids as young as twelve were working as prostitutes mostly for American
gangsters.
There are problems is Cuba but there are problems everywhere else as well. As for
Castro being a dictator that was true, but then there was a revolution supported by
the people, and even today they still support the revolution. Not the way I would want
to live but I am not Cuban. If I were Castro I wouldn't let that bunch from Miami take
it back either. As for conscience I say let it be, the people support their government
by a wide margin. As for revolutions and installing dictatorships, Castro was not the
only one who engaged in that sort of thing. Remember Chile, Salvador Allende was
elected by the people only to be over thrown with the backing of the United States.
Daniel Ortega was another one in Nicaragua who was over thrown by the United States.

Some want to criticize Castro, well the United States in Chile supported one of the most
blood thirsty dictators of our time Pinochet and he killed God knows how many people for
America. Chile has now moved on, and the other leader Daniel Ortega is back in power
in Nicaragua. Castro is an alter boy compared to to the actions of the United States in
that region of the world. As America loses favour and the people realize what they have
done, Cuba will survive in spite of Washington.
I am not a communist,by any stretch of the imagination but in this case I do support the
Cuban people more than I would the American Administration that has become the lap
dog of the Cuban elite that want their property back and they are waiting for the day when
they can take the population and reintroduce them to servitude. The problem is Cubans
in Cuba are educated and have no intention of going back to the old ways.
The problem is once name calling takes precedence over historical events and deeds
the total picture is really ugly no matter which way you view the political canvass.
 

CDNBear

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good point, Cuban citizens get way better health care.
Micheal Moore says Canadian Health Care is free too. He's wrong on both counts, but don't let that stop you from believing everything he says.

Cuban health care is so awesome, where did Castro get his "minor" surgery done again?

You really can't go anywhere legally without one
You can dance around the fact all you want, but you're still wrong.

I've been to the real Cuba.. I was in the heart of Havana..

there's nothing really to be afraid of.
No one said it was. But it isn't the peaches and cream you'd have us believe either.

I really enjoyed Cuba. It's far safer in Havana than it is in Miami or supposed democracies like Jamaica...First island I've been to that was a hole.
That's what happens when you have freedom. So should we invite Castro here to run Canada now?

when in reality it's nothing like that.
And it's nothing like the portrait deposited in this thread by the usual suspects either.

sure, they have issues. they may not exactly have the freedoms that we take for granted daily. but it is a good place to visit and be able to see a different place than what we are used to.
You see what you're allowed to see.

I'm getting ready to go. Three more day's & I'll be there again. Bit more
last minute shopping yet though. Here's some of the Matcbox Cars I'll
give away when I'm there.
What a great country Cuba is, when a tourist knows to pack goodies as simple as HotWheels, for children.

Those who claim Cuba is not free, forget that Cuba for the most part was never free...
He traded one tyranny, for another. But extremes, when over thrown, oft have the power vacuum filled by the opposite extreme.
 

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And of course the cheap-skates who spend vacation time and money there, to save a few lousy bucks, think that Cuba is just fine and dandy.

Maybe they should some of those bucks to buy a conscience.

Why can't you separate the people from the regime in your mind? Tourism benefits Cuba's economy. If Cuba's economy develops, then people will have more options and the regime will be weakened. Should we boycott Cuba, then the only employer left is the government, making the people much more dependent on it. i don't follow your logic.

I have many friends in China, and I wouldn't dream of refusing to visi them or see them or cutting contact with them because of thei regime. That would be outright silly.
 

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Those who claim Cuba is not free, forget that Cuba for the most part was never free.
Castro did make an improvement in the lives of most of the people and the regime is
supported because of it. When the government fell back in 1959, the Cuban people
were under a much worse government. Batista was a pawn of the Americans and
worse the mob itself. the people were by the vast majority illiterate, and living in
poverty. Kids as young as twelve were working as prostitutes mostly for American
gangsters.

Remember that old song: Drinking rum and Coca Cola / Working for the Yankee Dollah!

That's exactly what it's about - being a prostitute in Cuba. Why it became such a hit in the US is mystifying.
 

CUBert

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Micheal Moore says Canadian Health Care is free too. He's wrong on both counts, but don't let that stop you from believing everything he says.

If I'm in dire need of medical care I'd rather be a poor Cuban than a poor American

Cuban health care is so awesome, where did Castro get his "minor" surgery done again?

Cuba...

You can dance around the fact all you want, but you're still wrong.

You can't go ANYWHERE legally without going to your government and applying for a passport. This is wrong??
 

CDNBear

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If I'm in dire need of medical care I'd rather be a poor Cuban than a poor American
I wouldn't. It's against the law to deny medical treatment in the US.

Stop swallowing the propaganda.

Try again.

You can't go ANYWHERE legally without going to your government and applying for a passport. This is wrong??
Yes, that is wrong.

Besides the fact that you simply can't seem to understand the difference between how a passport works and what an exit visa is.

 

CUBert

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I wouldn't. It's against the law to deny medical treatment in the US.

Stop swallowing the propaganda.

"Lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States."[18] while a 2009 Harvard study published in the American Journal of Public Health found a much higher figure of more than 44,800 excess deaths annually in the United States due to Americans lacking health insurance.[20][21]


Try again.

Find me a source that says otherwise

Yes, that is wrong.

Besides the fact that you simply can't seem to understand the difference between how a passport works and what an exit visa is.

Um, almost all countries accept passports as valid for international travel and valid for entry.. If you don't have one, you aren't leaving, because you can't go anywhere... this isn't hard to understand really.
 

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Actually, health care and literacy are both quite advanced in Cuba. (Notice I did NOT say education......that requires an environment of open and free debate)

It is liberty and the economy where they seem to have a problem.

Personally, I'd rather live free, and die ten years earlier......if the choice was laid out in those terms.

Interestingly, life expectancy at birth is absolutely identical in the USA and Cuba.........78.3 years.

I looked it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
 

Ron in Regina

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Just checked the weather, & it's +23c in Varadero right now, & feels like +30c
with the Humidex. That's a tad warmer than Regina, Saskatchewan at this
point. I'm looking forward to seeing greenery outdoors, instead of what I'm
seeing through my picture window right now.

Everywhere has its own issues, and no place is perfect, and yeah, my giving
away gifts to kids over Christmas as I wander is a huge sign of the disparity
between living conditions between Canada & elsewhere. I still plan on having
a fantastic time with an open mind, and am looking forward to it again.