Ya, it's time to be honest about Islam...

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Another why we should all hate Muslims thread?
Just trying to even out all your "Why we should all hate Joos" threads.




BTW eao, please note the word Islam. Because I have no issue with individual Muslims.

But hey, if you want to be a great big hypocrite, far be it for me to interfere.

I'll just sit back and ponder the similarities between the two opposing forces here.

I wonder, if you're capable of seeing it.

I just did. It was enlightening and I learned something new about myself.
 
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Big difference,one lives and one dies,one has a chance for justice and one doesnt.
One lives. One dies. Who lives the rest of a life with the self doubts, the guilt, and the fear of being found out?

Reliving it all out in front of a Courtroom of strangers is the biggest reason most of them never come out.
 

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One lives. One dies. Who lives the rest of a life with the self doubts, the guilt, and the fear of being found out?
As an innocent party.

Reliving it all out in front of a Courtroom of strangers is the biggest reason most of them never come out.
And able to relive it, because of the society he lives in.
 

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As an innocent party.

And able to relive it, because of the society he lives in.
Now, look from a victim's perspective. How many times have we read, right here in these very Forums, how the victim is judged and accused of jumping on some band wagon to get money? The dead are beyond suffering.
 

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Now, look from a victim's perspective. How many times have we read, right here in these very Forums, how the victim is judged and accused of jumping on some band wagon to get money?
Yep, and I'm a guilty party to that.

The dead are beyond suffering.
To be honest Lone, I can see your point.

I can't for the life of me imagine what it must feel like to be a survivor of that.

But I can imagine not being here, not seeing my family, not hunting anymore, not having the opportunity to grow old with someone you love.

And I guess that's where I go from, and why I would like to be alive with pain, then dead and feel nothing.

Wow, you actually think a child being molested by someone they trust is a lesser evil.
Wow you actually read that comment that way so you could be a troll for no legitimate reason.

Amazing!
 

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Yep, and I'm a guilty party to that.


To be honest Lone, I can see your point.

I can't for the life of me imagine what it must feel like to be a survivor of that.

But I can imagine not being here, not seeing my family, not hunting anymore, not having the opportunity to grow old with someone you love.

And I guess that's where I go from, and why I would like to be alive with pain, then dead and feel nothing.

Wow you actually read that comment that way so you could be a troll for no legitimate reason.

Amazing!

Av does have a valid point. Not only is it a betrayal of trust, there is a lot of unconscionable force involved and a lot of judgement. Worst of the judgements are from within. Can you imagine what it's like to avoid meeting someone's gaze for fear they'll look in and know? ...or never being able to give yourself completely to another person for fear you'll be betrayed again? Maybe, if you're lucky, some psychologist can help you live with it ... but the fact it happened never goes away. Physical pain is nothing in comparison to the impact living in shame has on a life.
 

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Av does have a valid point.
No he doesn't.

Not only is it a betrayal of trust, there is a lot of unconscionable force involved and a lot of judgement. Worst of the judgements are from within.
Have you forgotten all the Christian bashing I've done over the years?

You do know you're preaching to the choir right?

Can you imagine what it's like to avoid meeting someone's gaze for fear they'll look in and know? ...or never being able to give yourself completely to another person for fear you'll be betrayed again? Maybe, if you're lucky, some psychologist can help you live with it ... but the fact it happened never goes away. Physical pain is nothing in comparison to the impact living in shame has on a life.
I don't disagree Lone, and no, I can't imagine it all.

But like I said, I'd rather live in pain, then not live at all. I live with similar pain as it is, both mental and physical. The mental for completely different reason, but as painful none the less. And the physical pain, makes it hard to crawl out of bed sometimes. I have enough steel and plastic in me to start an erector set.
 

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It's time to take the gloves off people.

Let's be honest here. When I discuss Natives, I'm open and honest about the fact that we are our own worst enemies, on many issues. I've never blamed "Whitie" for our failures. When it comes to Christians, they take more then their fair share of lumps for pedophile priests, to other abuses and so on.

Why is it, if you take a stand and pull no punches with the "Religion of Peace" the powers that be, suddenly whip out a shop-vac and wipe it out.

Let's be honest here, call like it is and just let the chips fall where they may.


Honesty would be a nice change of pace, unfortunately, for those that get their kicks out of abusing Islam( and this also apply's to other world religions) honesty is not on the table. When you cherry pick the worst, you are not being honest or fair to the majority of that faiths followers.
 

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Honesty would be a nice change of pace, unfortunately, for those that get their kicks out of abusing Islam( and this also apply's to other world religions) honesty is not on the table. When you cherry pick the worst, you are not being honest or fair to the majority of that faiths followers.
I would have to agree with Gerry H on this.
 

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Wow, you actually think a child being molested by someone they trust is a lesser evil.

I think living another day to maybe fight the injustice is a good thing,you cant do that when your stoned to death now can you?

One lives. One dies. Who lives the rest of a life with the self doubts, the guilt, and the fear of being found out?

Reliving it all out in front of a Courtroom of strangers is the biggest reason most of them never come out.

I consider the ones that do to be very tough survivors.

This is one of the reasons I basically hate most religions and adopt the native view of sprituality.
Theirs is flexible and not written in stone on how you must act and what you must do.

Honour the mother earth,take only what you need,keeps things in the delicate balance.
 

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I consider the ones that do to be very tough survivors.

This is one of the reasons I basically hate most religions and adopt the native view of sprituality.
Theirs is flexible and not written in stone on how you must act and what you must do.

Honour the mother earth,take only what you need,keeps things in the delicate balance.


too bad it doesn't teach tolerance.
 

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Lard knows every religion has skeletons in its closet and one is no better than the other - JUST LIKE POLITICS
I think that's right on the mark. I've been thinking about this for some time, and I've changed my mind about something. Christopher Hitchens, when he claimed religion poisons everything, almost got it right, but he missed the last step. It's not religion as such that's poison, it's religion politicized by people using it to promote and justify their secular interests that's poison. Hence the need to separate church and state, and therein lies a bit of a problem for Islam. In Islam the church IS the state, and the state is the church, no separation is possible as Islam is presently constituted.
 

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Honesty would be a nice change of pace, unfortunately, for those that get their kicks out of abusing Islam( and this also apply's to other world religions) honesty is not on the table.
Really Gh? I think I'm pretty open about who and what I find abhorrent about Islam.

When you cherry pick the worst, you are not being honest or fair to the majority of that faiths followers.
I would agree, hence why I have advocated a full ban. No cherry picking there.

too bad it doesn't teach tolerance.
Ya Gh, I have zero tolerance, for zero tolerance.
 

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Someone sent me a PM, and as I replied, this is what came out of me, I figured it was better as a post, than a PM reply, lol.

I've been a man of action my whole life. I'm physical, before I communicate. It's taken me years to be able to move from one type of battle to another. But to me, battle it still is.

When you break Islam down into it's small bits, you ave people at the heart of it, I understand that. Hence my issue isn't with Muslims, it's with Islam.

All people, even myself, when in a group, are far different then when they come together in a collective. It's at the head of the group that the direction is laid out and the mission determined. If the leadership is negative, the group will be negative.

Individually, I see Muslims state that they do not condone beheading, stoning, or honour killings, and that they are the better representatives of Islam. But then if you watch them and listen, they show the small signs of being in concordance with the negatives. People like to accuse me of nitpicking, or stereotyping. But I truly do try and avoid doing that at all cost, but I will not sell myself or my country out to do so.

Long ago, I was in a whole other world, I saw the very reality of that group think. Individually, I saw Muslims take my hand when I offered help. I saw their pain and their suffering. I emphasized and had sympathy. But when I, a mere infidel, was forced to take a stand, I saw the individual join the group, and the group focus that negative without remembrance of what was given them, and what I/we had done for them.

That plays a small role in how I view people in general, but it plays a very big role in how I view Islam.

I'm not really a bigot. I've employed Muslims, I have Muslim friends (I know how that sounds, lol), I've exposed my sons to Islam through my friends, so that they do not take what I may project as all there is. I understand that the negative of Islam is not all there is, but I'm also keenly aware, that Islam is not what all Muslims would have us believe.

This can be seen in the posts made by some Muslims at this very site.

America a swamp.
Jews are bad.
The CIA is trying to control Islam.
One sect is criticized, because they don't follow the Quran to the letter.

This may seem small and insignificant to some. But to me it isn't. These are the things some are trained to look for. Yes, I dissect posts. Yes I dig, yes, I may seem to take things out of context. But in the end, in a majority of the challenges, what I saw, and ultimately poked at, comes to the surface. Then what do you do? You now see it, you can interpret it as one thing, or another. And from varying perspectives, you're always going get a different picture.

But it's still the same.

As an example, just because you may sort of agree, that the US is the great Satan, do you ignore the viral context of the assertion? This is where we are falling off the track. You see a common enemy, and you embrace something that will use that in you, until you are no longer useful.

Hence the term "Useful idiots". A profound and under used sentiment that I find to be quite applicable to those that will defend the abhorrent, because they share a common feeling.

The dangers associated with that are paramount.

I may be out of line, I may be wrong, but that is how I see it.

I don't hate Muslims, I hate the collective of Islam and the abhorrent actions it causes and/or defends. I actually hope that my beliefs as to how this will end, are completely wrong. I truly do. Bit in the mean time, I will stay my course, and hold my ground. If not for myself, but for my sons, whom I wish to be able to pass onto their sons, the freedoms that we as a culture posses today.
 
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Why Do People Say Muslim Now Instead of Moslem?

I'm not a follower of any religion - but it would be nice to hear what people have to share without all the accusations and horror stories. Lard knows every religion has skeletons in its closet and one is no better than the other - JUST LIKE POLITICS
Wifey says that religions are simply the Disney versions of faith and I say, "Religion and politics - two sides of the same coin called "bureaucracy"; how to influence everyone else's life so their life can be just as dysfunctional as yours. "

Sure there are a lot of wingnut people in each religion, but the majority of people are fine. It is the religions that people love to use in order to carry out their agendas. Also a few, like Christianity and Islam, would love to see the entire planet convert to their respective views. That is also dysfunctional.

Another "Why we should all hate Muslims" thread?
As opposed to all your "balanced" hate-Israelis posts?
 

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Someone sent me a PM, and as I replied, this is what came out of me, I figured it was better as a post, than a PM reply, lol.

I've been a man of action my whole life. I'm physical, before I communicate. It's taken me years to be able to move from one type of battle to another. But to me, battle it still is.

When you break Islam down into it's small bits, you ave people at the heart of it, I understand that. Hence my issue isn't with Muslims, it's with Islam.

All people, even myself, when in a group, are far different then when they come together in a collective. It's at the head of the group that the direction is laid out and the mission determined. If the leadership is negative, the group will be negative.

Individually, I see Muslims state that they do not condone beheading, stoning, or honour killings, and that they are the better representatives of Islam. But then if you watch them and listen, they show the small signs of being in concordance with the negatives. People like to accuse me of nitpicking, or stereotyping. But I truly do try and avoid doing that at all cost, but I will not sell myself or my country out to do so.

Long ago, I was in a whole other world, I saw the very reality of that group think. Individually, I saw Muslims take my hand when I offered help. I saw their pain and their suffering. I emphasized and had sympathy. But when I, a mere infidel, was forced to take a stand, I saw the individual join the group, and the group focus that negative without remembrance of what was given them, and what I/we had done for them.

That plays a small role in how I view people in general, but it plays a very big role in how I view Islam.

I'm not really a bigot. I've employed Muslims, I have Muslim friends (I know how that sounds, lol), I've exposed my sons to Islam through my friends, so that they do not take what I may project as all there is. I understand that the negative of Islam is not all there is, but I'm also keenly aware, that Islam is not what all Muslims would have us believe.

This can be seen in the posts made by some Muslims at this very site.

America a swamp.
Jews are bad.
The CIA is trying to control Islam.
One sect is criticized, because they don't follow the Quran to the letter.

This may seem small and insignificant to some. But to me it isn't. These are the things some are trained to look for. Yes, I dissect posts. Yes I dig, yes, I may seem to take things out of context. But in the end, in a majority of the challenges, what I saw, and ultimately poked at, comes to the surface. Then what do you do? You now see it, you can interpret it as one thing, or another. And from varying perspectives, you're always going get a different picture.

But it's still the same.

As an example, just because you may sort of agree, that the US is the great Satan, do you ignore the viral context of the assertion? This is where we are falling off the track. You see a common enemy, and you embrace something that will use that in you, until you are no longer useful.

Hence the term "Useful idiots". A profound and under used sentiment that I find to be quite applicable to those that will defend the abhorrent, because they share a common feeling.

The dangers associated with that are paramount.

I may be out of line, I may be wrong, but that is how I see it.

I don't hate Muslims, I hate the collective of Islam and the abhorrent actions it causes and/or defends. I actually hope that my beliefs as to how this will end, are completely wrong. I truly do. Bit in the mean time, I will stay my course, and hold my ground. If not for myself, but for my sons, whom I wish to be able to pass onto their sons, the freedoms that we as a culture posses today.


Sorry.....not gonna point out everything and everywhere.... when I finished reading I felt the flush run up my head as my BP went through the roof.

All I can say is ripe with hypocracy, racism, and bigotry. The "useful idiot" tag fits you nicely.
 

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Sorry.....not gonna point out everything and everywhere.... when I finished reading I felt the flush run up my head as my BP went through the roof.

All I can say is ripe with hypocracy, racism, and bigotry. The "useful idiot" tag fits you nicely.
THanx for coming out Gh, I hope you get better soon.